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Obama — who last month called income inequality “the defining challenge of our time” — acknowledged that wrenching changes in the economy had created similar conditions today, but said the administration was willing to consider any and all policy proposals to address those problems.
It only took him 5 years to realize the obvious. Well done.
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On January 10 2014 15:53 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +Obama — who last month called income inequality “the defining challenge of our time” — acknowledged that wrenching changes in the economy had created similar conditions today, but said the administration was willing to consider any and all policy proposals to address those problems. It only took him 5 years to realize the obvious. Well done.
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else. -Winston Churchill
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On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.
If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second.
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On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. Never heard about Montesquieu did you ?
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I think Christie is probably toast. Everyone on the left and the tea party right are gunning for him. Even if no additional evidence is uncovered that directly ties him to the scandal, it is unlikely that he's going to get a pass from the voting public. The problem, as my wife so eloquently put it, is that it is too easy to imagine Christie doing this.
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Your wife has a good point. An overweight white guy from New Jersey getting involved in shady stuff? where have I seen that before? Sometimes fiction can start to trickle into reality.
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On January 11 2014 00:46 xDaunt wrote: I think Christie is probably toast. Everyone on the left and the tea party right are gunning for him. Even if no additional evidence is uncovered that directly ties him to the scandal, it is unlikely that he's going to get a pass from the voting public. The problem, as my wife so eloquently put it, is that it is too easy to imagine Christie doing this.
People are so quick to forget that Mitt Romney wasn't a heavy conservative either. IF Christie survives this and somehow gets in the mix of Rep nomination, then this is going to be a very positive for him with how he handled an internal mess which can be directly compared to Obama's. And if it comes down to between Hilary and Christie, I know who I'm going to vote for.
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On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second.
You really would want to live in a dictatorship?
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On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship?
You really want to live in a corrupted democracy?
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On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy?
You really want to live in a world where Firefly was cancelled?
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On January 11 2014 03:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? You really want to live in a world where Firefly was cancelled?
Nope. Going kill myself.
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On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy?
I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former.
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On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former.
The distinction is absolutely meaningless and it's a false choice being presented and name me a single Christian theology where free will is "forced" upon humanity anyway so what was your point again? That you don't like religion? Okay, we get it.
Unemployment rate falls to 6.7% because 525,000 more people gave up getting a job. That's the Obama era: People Giving Up.
Income inequality is the biggest load in a long time. The question is, is the pie not growing? It is. Are the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor? No, the statistics don't show that. The question is why don't those income inequality statistics include welfare in the income of the poor? I guess in eat the rich land food stamps, straight-up money payments, the Earned Income Tax Credit, government healthcare, and private employer-provided healthcare don't count as income, but in the real world they actually do lessen the financial burden on people, getting goods and services or even money itself for free or minimal cost. The rich are not getting richer at the expense of the poor, and so income inequality is just more eat the rich because we don't like them because [populist nonsense here]. Didn't you guys learn the lesson already with your occupy buddies? Five years of you guys running the country and we're supposed to believe that you suddenly give a rat's ass about the poor. If it wasn't looking like another bitchslap of epic proportions this November for progressives, the priority of "income inequality" would be at the same level as Chris Christie's priority of keeping the GWB open. But hey, five years of the poor getting the shitty end of the stick under your watch should just be forgotten now that you've remembered that poor people exist and it's cheap and easy to look morally superior by crying about their plight. And I am one of those poor. Your BS about it has never helped me pay the gas bill or my health insurance premium. A whole lot of hot air that has done precisely zero to lift anyone out of poverty, but you act like income inequality and poverty are such crimes that somebody must be punished for so we can cross the river and rest in the shady glen. Okay, this poor person suggests we start with those who do nothing but rage against others for poverty and in doing so accomplish nothing in ameliorating it.
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On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former.
Define forced freedom.
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On January 11 2014 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former. The distinction is absolutely meaningless and it's a false choice being presented and name me a single Christian theology where free will is "forced" upon humanity anyway so what was your point again? That you don't like religion? Okay, we get it. Unemployment rate falls to 6.7% because 525,000 more people gave up getting a job. That's the Obama era: People Giving Up. Income inequality is the biggest load in a long time. The question is, is the pie not growing? It is. Are the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor? No, the statistics don't show that. The question is why don't those income inequality statistics include welfare in the income of the poor? I guess in eat the rich land food stamps, straight-up money payments, the Earned Income Tax Credit, government healthcare, and private employer-provided healthcare don't count as income, but in the real world they actually do lessen the financial burden on people, getting goods and services or even money itself for free or minimal cost. The rich are not getting richer at the expense of the poor, and so income inequality is just more eat the rich because we don't like them because [populist nonsense here]. Didn't you guys learn the lesson already with your occupy buddies? Five years of you guys running the country and we're supposed to believe that you suddenly give a rat's ass about the poor. If it wasn't looking like another bitchslap of epic proportions this November for progressives, the priority of "income inequality" would be at the same level as Chris Christie's priority of keeping the GWB open. But hey, five years of the poor getting the shitty end of the stick under your watch should just be forgotten now that you've remembered that poor people exist and it's cheap and easy to look morally superior by crying about their plight. And I am one of those poor. Your BS about it has never helped me pay the gas bill or my health insurance premium. A whole lot of hot air that has done precisely zero to lift anyone out of poverty, but you act like income inequality and poverty are such crimes that somebody must be punished for so we can cross the river and rest in the shady glen. Okay, this poor person suggests we start with those who do nothing but rage against others for poverty and in doing so accomplish nothing in ameliorating it. Yes, the statistics shows that.
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On January 11 2014 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former. The distinction is absolutely meaningless and it's a false choice being presented and name me a single Christian theology where free will is "forced" upon humanity anyway so what was your point again? That you don't like religion? Okay, we get it. ...
what are you even talking about? take a break from the internet... (are you not aware of the everybody who says that god gives us free will?) at any rate i was just responding to this notion that danglars wish he could do away with democracy and freedom and live in a dictatorship/oligarchy of angels. You have no need to get so uptight about things man...
On January 11 2014 04:28 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former. Define forced freedom.
why
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Maybe because I think you're using the oxymoron forced freedom incorrectly and I'm curious as to how you define it in your own words...
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On January 11 2014 00:46 xDaunt wrote: I think Christie is probably toast. Everyone on the left and the tea party right are gunning for him. Even if no additional evidence is uncovered that directly ties him to the scandal, it is unlikely that he's going to get a pass from the voting public. The problem, as my wife so eloquently put it, is that it is too easy to imagine Christie doing this. Tea Party Right might be the loudest Republicans atm but they're not very large yet. It's going off the deep end. The number of Republicans who support them dropped from 65% in 2010 to 38 in 2013. Moderate Republicans, especially ones that don't live in the South, will still back him based on Sandy relief and his willingness to cooperate with the other side - 57% of Americans, and 54% of Republicans say they want to see compromise.
The other Republicans are pretty fine with Christie, and this kind of scandal isn't completely unprecedented. The left is just going to slam the right for a while until everyone stops caring, same way the Benghazi coverup worked. They're calling this "Christie-gate", that one was called "Benghazi-gate". Hillary seems to have come out of that one relatively unscathed.
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On January 11 2014 04:28 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2014 03:29 Roe wrote:On January 11 2014 03:16 heliusx wrote:On January 11 2014 01:55 Roe wrote:On January 10 2014 16:12 Danglars wrote:On January 10 2014 01:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 18:34 Velr wrote:On January 09 2014 16:57 nunez wrote:On January 09 2014 14:06 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 09 2014 13:45 sam!zdat wrote: is there an option in that game for fascist technocracy and ecological catastrophe? Fuck yeah! Try Cybernetic Conciousness (edit: expansion faction) with the following social engineering choices: Politics: Police State Economy: Free Market Values: Knowledge Future Society: Cybernetic Edit 2: Free Market is BRUTAL in AC... Planet gets pissed and sends mind worms to kill you XD a free market where every individual is regulated is the same as a regulated market. freudian slip! Let alone that "Values: Knowledge" just doesn't fit into the "Police State" + "Free Market" which run into an entirely diffrent direction? They're cyborgs on an alien planet ruled by a sentient AI. They see things a bit differently  The reminds me of the great Madison quote from the Federalist Papers (which sits on my bookshelf). If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. If we could get angels, those entirely pure sinless extra-terrestrials, to go preserve freedom and justice and assist us in assisting the poor, the sick, the elderly, I wouldn't wish to stay in the current semi-constitutional governance the USA has today, not for a second. You really would want to live in a dictatorship? You really want to live in a corrupted democracy? I always thought Danglars preferred a free country with liberty where we can make our own decisions, live with the consequences of our actions, etc... rather than forced "freedom" with supernatural, omnipotent gods commanding us to be free. I myself prefer the former. Define forced freedom.
Forced freedom is the wrong phrase. It's an oxymoron that doesn't make any sense in conjunction to the argument.. Freedom is a lack of restraint, a lack of being forced to do anything. The only way someone can force someone else to be free is if they don't force them at all. Instead of a forced freedom, it's more like forced perfection.
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Another NJ1015 poll: Did the bridge incident make you lose your trust in Christie?
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600 people voting so far. That 17% will go down over time as people start to forget. This isn't a big deal at all.
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