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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 25 2017 03:28 Plansix wrote: The real question is, where is the US not collecting taxes that the UK/EU are? I posted a link earlier: https://usafacts.org/ Here is the broken down detail of what is done with our taxes, the site was created and maintained by Steve Wozniak. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:22 biology]major wrote: Ofcourse it's starting, the republicans have a chance and they are going to blow it. Trump isn't helping either, and in a few years the majority will be lost and hopefully we can prevent the US from going full socialist when that happens. None of the progressive candidates that are fielded are full socialist, so that should help in preventing that. Hopefully you move left enough to restore balance and have berniecrat vs democrat as the main fight of american politics, as it should be. Also, you say of course it's starting, but the blowback to Trump could have taken many forms, it could have just been any random democrat elected instead of any random republican. When I say it's starting, I mean socdem. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:26 Nebuchad wrote: None of the progressive candidates that are fielded are full socialist, so that should help in preventing that. Hopefully you move left enough to restore balance and have berniecrat vs democrat as the main fight of american politics, as it should be. Well, this is probably what they call "full socialism".  | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:19 Nebuchad wrote: Pellegrino won in Long Island, Ossoff is ahead in Georgia, Quist is announced as close in Montana for tomorrow. I think it's starting. the CBO report on the AHCA should drop in the next couple hours. i wonder how bad it will be, and how much it will be able to percolate before polls close in montana. here is what i predict them to say: + Show Spoiler [shitpost] + ![[image loading]](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/files/Poop_Emoji.png?9898922749706957214) i told you it was a shitpost. i guess however that the senate republicans will continue insisting "but well we're working on revising it and it'll be totally different so this score doesn't count!". | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
also how long has Kelly Anne been on TV again? i recall seeing her after the Comey firing, i was pretty surprised anyone allowed her back on tv, both from thr administrations side and on the networks side. it just seems like a poor decision for everyone. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:30 TheDwf wrote: Well, this is probably what they call "full socialism". Considering the fact that Obama was called a socialist...yeah. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
A widely held tenet of the current conventional wisdom is that while President Trump might not be popular overall, he has a high floor on his support. Trump’s sizable and enthusiastic base — perhaps 35 to 40 percent of the country — won’t abandon him any time soon, the theory goes, and they don’t necessarily care about some of the controversies that the “mainstream media” treats as game-changing developments. It’s an entirely reasonable theory. We live in a highly partisan epoch, and voters are usually loyal to politicians from their party. Trump endured a lot of turbulence in the general election but stuck it out to win the Electoral College. The media doesn’t always guess right about which stories will resonate with voters. But the theory isn’t supported by the evidence. To the contrary, Trump’s base seems to be eroding. There’s been a considerable decline in the number of Americans who strongly approve of Trump, from a peak of around 30 percent in February to just 21 or 22 percent of the electorate now. (The decline in Trump’s strong approval ratings is larger than the overall decline in his approval ratings, in fact.) Far from having unconditional love from his base, Trump has already lost almost a third of his strong support. And voters who strongly disapprove of Trump outnumber those who strongly approve of him by about a 2-to-1 ratio, which could presage an “enthusiasm gap” that works against Trump at the midterms. The data suggests, in particular, that the GOP’s initial attempt (and failure) in March to pass its unpopular health care bill may have cost Trump with his core supporters. [...] So while there’s risk to Democrats in underestimating Trump’s resiliency, there’s an equal or perhaps greater risk to Republicans in thinking Trump’s immune from political gravity. If you look beneath the surface of Trump’s approval ratings, you find not hidden strength but greater weakness than the topline numbers imply. Full article at https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-base-is-shrinking/ relevant graphs from article : ![[image loading]](https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/silver-approve-1_gif_static.gif?strip=info&w=1150&ssl=1) ![[image loading]](https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/silver-approve-2_gif_static.gif?strip=info&w=1150&ssl=1) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:26 Nebuchad wrote: None of the progressive candidates that are fielded are full socialist, so that should help in preventing that. Hopefully you move left enough to restore balance and have berniecrat vs democrat as the main fight of american politics, as it should be. Also, you say of course it's starting, but the blowback to Trump could have taken many forms, it could have just been any random democrat elected instead of any random republican. When I say it's starting, I mean socdem. Then maybe we can introduce the concept to more Americans that Berniecrat vs Democrat is actually a battle between center-left and center-right (I'm aware the Europeans already know this). | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12535 Posts
On May 25 2017 04:30 TheDwf wrote: Well, this is probably what they call "full socialism". Ironically that's what we would call "full socialism", given where our "partis socialistes" stand. But that's not what they mean and so we have to correct it =) | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 25 2017 05:12 biology]major wrote: I wish we had polling of how these bombings are viewed by musims in the UK, and specifically by location where there are isolated clusters of refugees. From what I'm reading, there is a strong sympathetic reaction to the most recent bombing in the libyan refugee community specifically. I would never trust polling on an issue like that. There is no way that poll isn’t specific designed to have specific outcome. Just go listen to some interviews of people in the area. Most of them seem to be all about not giving the terrorist what they want and pointing fingers. But that is just what I have heard. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8189 Posts
On May 25 2017 05:12 biology]major wrote: I wish we had polling of how these bombings are viewed by musims in the UK, and specifically by location where there are isolated clusters of refugees. From what I'm reading, there is a strong sympathetic reaction to the most recent bombing in the libyan refugee community specifically. Out of curiosity where did you read that? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
800bil in medicaid cuts, 270bil in subsidy cuts, mostly to pay for 664bil in tax cuts. Minor reduction in premiums for the healthy, if you have a preexisting condition, then you will pay more over time or just get priced out. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/cbofiles/images/pubs-images/52xxx/52752-land-figure1.png) | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 25 2017 06:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/867486718148190208 The GOP needs old people. Why would they do this? I don't think the GOP is actually as stupid as this makes them look. I want to understand!! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ba6SwQH.png) Saw this being passed around as the expected premium increases for certain pre-existing conditions | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On May 25 2017 06:12 Mohdoo wrote: The GOP needs old people. Why would they do this? I don't think the GOP is actually as stupid as this makes them look. I want to understand!! Think of the broader Right as two entities. (1) The Republican party. These guys serve the donor class first and foremost. Capital gains tax cuts, social security/medicare/medicaid cuts, top 1% tax cuts, estate tax cuts, targeted financial deregulation, and a business stacked judiciary are the actual policy goals that happen. Remember Paul Ryan trying to privatize social security in 2006? Check out the Trump budget, stacked with all kinds of capital side tax cuts and social welfare spending cuts in the teeth of Trump's claims not to touch social security, medicare, and medicaid. (2) The Entertainment wing. Trump, Hannity, O'Reilly, Crowder, Breitbart, lesser FOX hosts, all them dedicate every day to assaulting the evils of pluralism. Wall, Muslim Ban, Affirmative action, Immigration, Terrorism, racial panic, welfare queens, obamaphones, phony Dem scandals. All this crap is just prolofeed rubbish fed to get gullible idiots to vote R. None of these policies actually go anywhere because they aren't real policies. | ||
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