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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23657 Posts
May 24 2017 22:10 GMT
#152581
On May 25 2017 07:03 xDaunt wrote:
Remember what I said earlier about idiocy and misinformation when it comes to why universal health care wasn't more widely supported? You're seeing it in spades from the republicans pushing this healthcare bill. They jumped the shark as soon as they decided that they wanted private insurance and coverage for preexisting conditions.


You have Republican friends I presume, is this a common opinion, or is this one you keep to yourself save for the safety of TL?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 24 2017 22:25 GMT
#152582
Interesting article, though certainly not conclusive. It does raise the question of whether it's wise to elect old presidents.

It was the kind of utterance that makes professional transcribers question their career choice:

“ … there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign, but I can always speak for myself — and the Russians, zero.”

When President Trump offered that response to a question at a press conference last week, it was the latest example of his tortured syntax, mid-thought changes of subject, and apparent trouble formulating complete sentences, let alone a coherent paragraph, in unscripted speech.

He was not always so linguistically challenged.

STAT reviewed decades of Trump’s on-air interviews and compared them to Q&A sessions since his inauguration. The differences are striking and unmistakable.

Research has shown that changes in speaking style can result from cognitive decline. STAT therefore asked experts in neurolinguistics and cognitive assessment, as well as psychologists and psychiatrists, to compare Trump’s speech from decades ago to that in 2017; they all agreed there had been a deterioration, and some said it could reflect changes in the health of Trump’s brain.

...

The experts noted clear changes from Trump’s unscripted answers 30 years ago to those in 2017, in some cases stark enough to raise questions about his brain health. They noted, however, that the same sort of linguistic decline can also reflect stress, frustration, anger, or just plain fatigue.

...

The change in linguistic facility could be strategic; maybe Trump thinks his supporters like to hear him speak simply and with more passion than proper syntax. “He may be using it as a strategy to appeal to certain types of people,” said Michaelis. But linguistic decline is also obvious in two interviews with David Letterman, in 1988 and 2013, presumably with much the same kind of audience.

...

Northwestern University psychology professor Dan McAdams, a critic of Trump who has inferred his psychological makeup from his public behavior, said any cognitive decline in the president might reflect normal aging and not dementia. “Research shows that virtually nobody is as sharp at age 70 as they were at age 40,” he said. “A wide range of cognitive functions, including verbal fluency, begin to decline long before we hit retirement age. So, no surprise here.”


www.statnews.com
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 24 2017 22:28 GMT
#152583
On May 25 2017 07:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 07:03 xDaunt wrote:
Remember what I said earlier about idiocy and misinformation when it comes to why universal health care wasn't more widely supported? You're seeing it in spades from the republicans pushing this healthcare bill. They jumped the shark as soon as they decided that they wanted private insurance and coverage for preexisting conditions.


You have Republican friends I presume, is this a common opinion, or is this one you keep to yourself save for the safety of TL?

Do I strike you as being shy with my opinions?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 24 2017 22:29 GMT
#152584
To be honest that is very hard to judge on the internets
passive quaranstream fan
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 22:55:03
May 24 2017 22:54 GMT
#152585
On May 25 2017 07:03 On_Slaught wrote:
The location of nuclear subs (tho there is confusion on if he means nuclear powered or armed.. if the latter then just lol) is highly classified information and anybody else saying this to a foreign government, especially one with ties to China, would likely be court marshalled or jailed, depending on military status. OPSEC is a thing people.
.

Yes yes but this is Duterte we are talking about, a close ally and very trustworthy man who called the last president a son of a whore and brags about murdering people. Surely the information is safe with him.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 22:57:39
May 24 2017 22:57 GMT
#152586
On May 25 2017 07:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 07:03 On_Slaught wrote:
The location of nuclear subs (tho there is confusion on if he means nuclear powered or armed.. if the latter then just lol) is highly classified information and anybody else saying this to a foreign government, especially one with ties to China, would likely be court marshalled or jailed, depending on military status. OPSEC is a thing people.
.

Yes yes but this is Duterte we are talking about, a close ally and very trustworthy man who called the last president a son of a whore and brags about murdering people. Surely the information is safe with him.


Duterte: West is all 'double talk', I want China and Russia. I am he wouldn't have mentioned the sub thing ...

"I have nothing against America, [US President Donald] Trump is my friend. But my foreign policy has shifted. I want to deal with China and Russia. Because in Western world, it’s double talk," he said.


http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/22/17/duterte-west-is-all-double-talk-i-want-china-and-russia
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
May 24 2017 23:04 GMT
#152587
On May 25 2017 07:57 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 07:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On May 25 2017 07:03 On_Slaught wrote:
The location of nuclear subs (tho there is confusion on if he means nuclear powered or armed.. if the latter then just lol) is highly classified information and anybody else saying this to a foreign government, especially one with ties to China, would likely be court marshalled or jailed, depending on military status. OPSEC is a thing people.
.

Yes yes but this is Duterte we are talking about, a close ally and very trustworthy man who called the last president a son of a whore and brags about murdering people. Surely the information is safe with him.


Duterte: West is all 'double talk', I want China and Russia. I am he wouldn't have mentioned the sub thing ...

Show nested quote +
"I have nothing against America, [US President Donald] Trump is my friend. But my foreign policy has shifted. I want to deal with China and Russia. Because in Western world, it’s double talk," he said.


http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/05/22/17/duterte-west-is-all-double-talk-i-want-china-and-russia

He was literally in Moscow asking Russia for weapons only a few hours ago.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 23:11:33
May 24 2017 23:04 GMT
#152588
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2017 06:17 Nevuk wrote:
[image loading]

Saw this being passed around as the expected premium increases for certain pre-existing conditions

In UK, for $200 a month as a 40 year old non-smoker, you get all of that completely covered with no excess. Just as a point of comparison.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2017 23:05 GMT
#152589


To say that drop is huge is sort of an understatement.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 24 2017 23:10 GMT
#152590
On May 25 2017 07:29 Artisreal wrote:
To be honest that is very hard to judge on the internets

Well, to set the record straight, I don't express any opinions here that I don't also say to everyone else. And I have laid into plenty of conservatives -- including some politicians -- for the same transgressions that I have pointed out here. Hell, anyone who has been paying attention around here knows that my harshest criticisms have been reserved for republicans this year than the other side.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 24 2017 23:11 GMT
#152591
On May 25 2017 08:05 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/867506158164209665

To say that drop is huge is sort of an understatement.

That's what happens when you don't fulfill campaign promises. Trump isn't showing that he's fighting for the people who supported him.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2017 23:16 GMT
#152592
On May 25 2017 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 08:05 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/867506158164209665

To say that drop is huge is sort of an understatement.

That's what happens when you don't fulfill campaign promises. Trump isn't showing that he's fighting for the people who supported him.

Or what you promised is politicaly and fiscally impossible.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 24 2017 23:17 GMT
#152593
I might have missed it but what is your opinion on the Republican healthcare bill xDaunt? From what I have seen seems like you think its inherently flawed?
Never Knows Best.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
May 24 2017 23:18 GMT
#152594
Looks like Trump is doing a good job at getting these working whites into a nice vulnerable position for a Bernie candidate to promise them the world in a more collectivist society.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 24 2017 23:24 GMT
#152595
Companies started pulling advertisements from Sean Hannity’s Fox News show on Wednesday as he continued promoting a conspiracy theory about Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich’s death.

Cars.com, the automotive classifieds site, was the first to release a statement on its decision to remove ads.

“The fact that we advertise on a particular program doesn’t mean that we agree or disagree, or support or oppose, the content. We don’t have the ability to influence content at the time we make out advertising purchase. In this case, we’ve been watching closely and have recently made the decision to pull our advertising from Hannity.”

At-home exercise company Peloton followed suit later Wednesday afternoon, saying it decided to pull advertisements from “Hannity” in response to complaints on Twitter.

Leesa Sleep, an online mattress retailer, became the third advertiser to drop out.

“We adjust our media buying every day and we can confirm that we are no longer advertising on Sean Hannity,” a spokesman said.

Casper, another online mattress retailer, also confirmed it was shifting its Fox News ad buys.

Hannity has been in hot water for continuing to peddle a conspiracy theory linking Rich’s unsolved killing to WikiLeaks. Washington, D.C., police say they they suspect Rich was shot during a robbery attempt while walking in his neighborhood. There’s no evidence his slaying has anything to do with leaked DNC emails published by WikiLeaks, which U.S. authorities have blamed on Russian hackers.

Fox News retracted its thinly sourced story promoting the conspiracy theory on Tuesday and removed it from its website. But Hannity was still pushing the story on Twitter shortly before the network issued its statement. He later continued promoting the conspiracy on his radio show, which is not affiliated with Fox News, hours later.

“And all you in the liberal media, I am not Fox.com or Fox News.com. I retracted nothing,” he said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 24 2017 23:27 GMT
#152596
Speaker Ryan is hitting some sort of drugs pretty hard
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
May 24 2017 23:31 GMT
#152597
On May 25 2017 08:27 Nevuk wrote:
Speaker Ryan is hitting some sort of drugs pretty hard
https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/867483782156345344


I mean, we're talking in numbers here. What number is..real? I don't understand.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 24 2017 23:45 GMT
#152598
On May 25 2017 08:17 Slaughter wrote:
I might have missed it but what is your opinion on the Republican healthcare bill xDaunt? From what I have seen seems like you think its inherently flawed?

It's trash. The philosophy behind it is utterly retarded.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 23:51:59
May 24 2017 23:51 GMT
#152599
On May 25 2017 08:27 Nevuk wrote:
Speaker Ryan is hitting some sort of drugs pretty hard
https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/867483782156345344

But those are both in the CBO plan. Quibble if you wish about premiums rising until 2020, and premiums falling after that, but that is the CBO's conclusion.

And I'm speaking as someone that doesn't approve of this plan, nor Ryan's idea to repeal Obamacare in the stages he's outlined.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 23:56:23
May 24 2017 23:54 GMT
#152600
the CBO apparently also said that 14 million people will lose access to healthcare over the next year alone 24 million more would be uninsured by 2026. You don't have any premiums any more if nobody has insurance. Some quick thinking on part of the GOP
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