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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
On May 13 2017 01:43 Plansix wrote: When his approval ratings continue to drop, it will become more viable. Congress can't use the excuse that "he is what people voted for" because it is their jobs to uphold their role as a check on the president. They are the ones that are supposed to display leadership and make the case to the public bout impeachment if they know it is for the good of the country. That sounds all great until your realize who are the republican congressmen. I don't think they give a damn about their mission in the american republic, except maybe for a few isolated dudes like Mc Cain who seems to actually believe in something. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Friday directly contradicted President Trump’s claim that ousted FBI Director James Comey had asked Trump to have dinner a week after the President’s inauguration to ask to keep his job. He said that Comey told him he was “uneasy” about attending the dinner. Trump told NBC’s Lester Holt on Thursday that Comey had requested to have dinner with him, and that he asked Trump at the dinner to keep him in his post as FBI director. Multiple unnamed sources told the New York Times and NBC News after that interview that not only did Trump summon Comey to dinner on Jan. 27 and not the other way around, but also that Trump had asked at the dinner for Comey to pledge his loyalty to him. Comey reportedly refused. Clapper told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell on Friday about a farewell ceremony Comey had hosted for him earlier the same day, Jan. 27. “And Jim and I spoke briefly before the ceremony and he mentioned that he had been invited to the White House to have dinner with the President, and that he was uneasy with that because of even compromising the — even the optics, the appearance of independence, not only of him, but of the FBI,” Clapper recalled. “But he was going that very night to the dinner. Did he explain why he felt he had to go?” Mitchell asked. “Well, I think anyone who is serving office in the government, and you’re asked by the President for dinner, I think as professional courtesy, you’re in a difficult position to refuse to go,” Clapper said. “But I do know he was uneasy with it, just for the appearance of compromising the independence of the FBI, which is a hallowed tenet in our system.” Mitchell asked about Trump’s claim that Comey had asked Trump to keep him in his job at the dinner, and that Comey had told Trump at the same dinner that he was not under an FBI investigation — one of three times Comey told him, according to Trump. Comey has never said himself that he told Trump he wasn’t under investigation. Deputy White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Thursday that “legal minds” and attorneys had said it wasn’t inappropriate for Trump to ask Comey whether he was being investigated — despite the question clearly violating Justice Department protocol. “I would find that very inconsistent with what I know of Jim Comey,” Clapper said, noting that he wasn’t at the dinner and couldn’t know what was said. “Moreover, anyone who’s in a position that’s subject to Senate confirmation — presidential appointment and Senate confirmation, which his is, mine was — understands that you serve at the pleasure of,” Clapper said. “And it would really be, I think, inappropriate, and certainly in Jim’s case, out of character, for him to ask to stay on,” he continued. “I couldn’t imagine doing that myself, nor can I imagine him doing that either.” Source | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
what a shady little child. what kind of president regularly threatens shit against his own people.. he's an actual fuckin ape. a total baboon. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On May 13 2017 03:08 brian wrote: i know stealthblue posted the tweet 5 hrs ago already but wow, trump threatening to pull the white house daily press briefings what a shady little child. what kind of president regularly threatens shit against his own people.. you mean his employees, because that's how he is treating us. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 13 2017 03:08 brian wrote: i know stealthblue posted the tweet 5 hrs ago already but wow, trump threatening to pull the white house daily press briefings what a shady little child. what kind of president regularly threatens shit against his own people.. Remember when people believed he would get the best people on his team, and not a bunch of yes-men to stroke his ego? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 13 2017 03:14 WolfintheSheep wrote: Remember when people believed he would get the best people on his team, and not a bunch of yes-men to stroke his ego? You think the Bush administration would have cured us of that, but nope. Also, tweeting about taping discussions is bad. The staff saying they are not sure is SUPER bad. There is no foreign leader that didn’t take note of that. That is going to be a shitstorm. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 13 2017 03:08 brian wrote: i know stealthblue posted the tweet 5 hrs ago already but wow, trump threatening to pull the white house daily press briefings what a shady little child. what kind of president regularly threatens shit against his own people.. he's an actual fuckin ape. a total baboon. Sure, but consider this: emails. E M A I L S if that doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 13 2017 02:32 Amui wrote: Considering he's a well respected FBI director, I didn't think he would be. He's no stranger to keeping his mouth shut, unlike a certain president. And especially in regard to this dinner they had together, even assuming there was no tape, there's far more cause to question Trump's honesty than Comey's. Trump is also very given to issuing even hollow threats, doing whatever he can to bully his enemies into submission. The man is an ape, it would take something very concrete on said tape for the majority to take his side on this. On May 13 2017 03:21 Doodsmack wrote: There should be incompetence grounds for impeachment. I guess that would fall under the 25th amendment - mentally unfit. I can only hope so at this point. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
On May 13 2017 01:38 biology]major wrote: This type of overreaction will seriously hurt the democrats. Your country is sliding towards authoritarianism at full speed and you think democrats are overreacting? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: Your country is sliding towards authoritarianism at full speed and you think democrats are overreacting? The question isn't if Trump deserves to be removed, he never even deserved to be nominated in the first place. The question is, will ceaselessly calling out for his removal all the time advance that cause? Or is it be better to slowly chip away at his support with arguments such as "I don't like the idea of Russia interfering in our elections and it's suspicious that Trump is firing the guy in charge of investigating this"? That you think you have a reason to freak out doesn't mean that it's a good idea that will lead anywhere. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: Your country is sliding towards authoritarianism at full speed and you think democrats are overreacting? First of all, the only people who can control trump are the republicans. Trump has his base and they won't abandon him no matter what, it's a cult following rn. I imagine after this week alot of the obama voters who voted for trump are probably off the trump train. The democrats need to do their best to not appear partisan, but as usual they can't resist by calling for impeachment and whatever other nonsense. Unfortunately, I don't see the republicans doing anything, cause they are partisan hacks as well. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8150 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:19 biology]major wrote: First of all, the only people who can control trump are the republicans. Trump has his base and they won't abandon him no matter what, it's a cult following rn. I imagine after this week alot of the obama voters who voted for trump are probably off the trump train. The democrats need to do their best to not appear partisan, but as usual they can't resist by calling for impeachment and whatever other nonsense. Unfortunately, I don't see the republicans doing anything, cause they are partisan hacks as well. So what are democrats supposed to do right now? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:19 biology]major wrote: First of all, the only people who can control trump are the republicans. Trump has his base and they won't abandon him no matter what, it's a cult following rn. I imagine after this week alot of the obama voters who voted for trump are probably off the trump train. The democrats need to do their best to not appear partisan, but as usual they can't resist by calling for impeachment and whatever other nonsense. Unfortunately, I don't see the republicans doing anything, cause they are partisan hacks as well. The hope is that as more and more stories put Trump into a deeper and deeper hole, you start seeing more Sean Spicers, more people who are willing to be seen hiding and running, rather than be seen continuing to stand by this ticking time bomb. I don't see one likely scenario where Trump comes out of this looking even remotely as good as he did before. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
biology]major: Democrats, do not care about winning over voters like you for the midterms. Midterms are dominated by activist, unlike the general election. They are not looking to win over Republicans to their side in the next year or so. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:22 Biff The Understudy wrote: So what are democrats supposed to do right now? I'm not sure tbh. Trump is completely immune, he has his base which will never leave him. He has the republicans cause they are spineless. He even has the DOJ on his lap. I imagine Jeff Sessions is similar to Lorreta Lynch but much worse, and will break the law for Trump if he see's fit. Maybe some new testimony from Comey or FBI leaks can damage trump but other than that, it's just another trump gaffe. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 13 2017 04:42 biology]major wrote: I'm not sure tbh. Trump is completely immune, he has his base which will never leave him. He has the republicans cause they are spineless. He even has the DOJ on his lap. I imagine Jeff Sessions is similar to Lorreta Lynch but much worse, and will break the law for Trump if he see's fit. Maybe some new testimony from Comey or FBI leaks can damage trump but other than that, it's just another trump gaffe. At the same time the spinelessness of the Republicans means they'll abandon him the second he gets into any real trouble that poses a credible threat, just look back to the primary or even general election when Trumps polls were in the gutter. | ||
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