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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Yurie
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On April 29 2017 03:24 Logo wrote: This makes the whole North Korea circumstances seem very odd and wondering if like the whole thing here has been a strong arm tactic where Trump's Admin first Saber Rattles with North Korea, then turns to South Korea and pushes on them to renegotiate for protection. I don't have much of an opinion on the actual idea of renegotiating but the context & timing of doesn't seem like it will endear any good will long term. The US did create South Korea from the start. It was going to (relatively) peacefully turn to communism as a combined North and South Korea before the US intervened with a war. Current leadership family in NK was created in that war by China. At least that is how I understand it. Not really sure why I felt that was relevant but it is somewhat relevant that SK is a created client state of the US when considering the deals with them. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2017 03:31 Yurie wrote: The US did create South Korea from the start. It was going to (relatively) peacefully turn to communism as a combined North and South Korea before the US intervened with a war. Current leadership family in NK was created in that war by China. At least that is how I understand it. Not really sure why I felt that was relevant but it is somewhat relevant that SK is a created client state of the US when considering the deals with them. You mean the Soviet backed invasion by North Korea? I wouldn’t really call that peaceful. It wasn’t like Korea was an independent nation prior to WW2 either. | ||
Sermokala
United States13968 Posts
On April 29 2017 03:07 Velr wrote: Fuck you. No, they didn't, people were against it but the us secret services made up shit so goverments kinda had to follow, some didn't and the us wasn't happy... apology tour... fuck you... it was an i'm sorry we messed up tour. Oh and ISIS was the result of this shitshow.. well no on anything you said but okay. France didn't send anyone and neither did germany (for other reasons but still). They never made shit up they just got bad intel and ignored good intel. ISIS is a result of the arab spring if anything and so was the syrian civil war. Its not like your country or anyone could or would have stoped anything anyway. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
A firm co-founded by Donald Trump’s original campaign manager Corey Lewandowski appears to have been pitching clients around the world by offering not only policy and political advice, but also face time with President Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and senior members of their administration, according to documents and interviews. A document provided to an Eastern European politician by an international consulting firm that Lewandowski co-founded this year promises to arrange “meetings with well-established figures,” including Trump, Pence, “key members of the U.S. Administration” and outside Trump allies. The previously unreported firm, Washington East West Political Strategies, was created by Lewandowski and fellow Trump campaign veteran Barry Bennett — as well as an Azerbaijani oil executive and an American political consultant who works extensively in Russia — to prospect for political business in Eastern Europe. And Lewandowski and Bennett have created different firms with other partners to prospect in the Middle East, Canada and Central America, Bennett said. The Washington East West Political Strategies document boasts that its clients will benefit from its partners’ ability to “leverage” their “trusted relations with the U.S. Administration,” as well as European parliamentarians and leading Western journalists. Lewandowski did not respond to requests for comment. Bennett, in an interview, said that he hadn’t seen the Washington East West Political Strategies document. He acknowledged, though, that he and Lewandowski started the firm. And he explained it was one of several international recruitment vehicles that would allow business partners around the world to earn commissions by enlisting international clients for another firm that he co-founded with Lewandowski in the weeks after the election called Avenue Strategies. But Bennett stressed that the firms have yet to sign any international clients, and predicted that most of the firm’s work domestically and internationally would be political or policy consulting — not lobbying or arranging meetings or calls with elected officials. However, people who are familiar with Lewandowski’s pitch to potential clients say he has pledged that he would personally call Trump or his Cabinet members if necessary on behalf of prospective Avenue Strategies clients. Yet Lewandowski has not formally registered as a lobbyist. The lack of any such registration by Lewandowski to date — combined with his boasts about his Trump connections — irks competing lobbyists and ethics watchdogs. They say Lewandowski is flouting the spirit of the lobbying rules, and abusing his access to the Trump White House. Meanwhile, White House officials worry that Lewandowski’s efforts to market his access — which are brazen even by K Street’s unbashful standards — are an influence-peddling scandal waiting to happen for a president who pledged to end the dominance of lobbyists and special interests in Washington. “Whether Corey Lewandowski is just engaging in business as usual or actually going further, it definitely has a pervading swampiness to it that has become the new normal in Trump’s Washington,” said Lisa Gilbert, vice president of legislative affairs for the government watchdog group Public Citizen. The White House did not respond to requests for comment for this story. Source | ||
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KwarK
United States42866 Posts
On April 29 2017 03:37 Sermokala wrote: well no on anything you said but okay. France didn't send anyone and neither did germany (for other reasons but still). They never made shit up they just got bad intel and ignored good intel. ISIS is a result of the arab spring if anything and so was the syrian civil war. Its not like your country or anyone could or would have stoped anything anyway. Oddly enough there was a full scale Parliamentary inquiry into the Iraq War in Britain that published a tome last year. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/iraq-inquiry-key-points-from-the-chilcot-report We got a lifetime civil service member, gave him access to all the documents, had him interview all the people involved and let him get to work. Seriously damning stuff. Blair misled Parliament, denied relevant information to the Cabinet, exaggerated the evidence supporting the case for war and ignored the evidence to the contrary and pledged British support to Bush long before the case was made to the British people. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18022 Posts
First you throw some bricks through the window and rough up the owner. Then you come by the next day and tell the owner that it's a terrible thing and the neighbourhood is going to the dogs, but you and your goons can offer protection. For a price of course. Except it's a version where you have a rabid dog that is locked in a cage, and you first poke him so he barks and snarls and then say that if the mark doesn't pay up you'll open the cage. | ||
Sermokala
United States13968 Posts
On April 29 2017 04:02 KwarK wrote: Oddly enough there was a full scale Parliamentary inquiry into the Iraq War in Britain that published a tome last year. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/iraq-inquiry-key-points-from-the-chilcot-report We got a lifetime civil service member, gave him access to all the documents, had him interview all the people involved and let him get to work. Seriously damning stuff. Blair misled Parliament, denied relevant information to the Cabinet, exaggerated the evidence supporting the case for war and ignored the evidence to the contrary and pledged British support to Bush long before the case was made to the British people. man I wish we could have those investigations here in america about things. | ||
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 29 2017 05:41 Sermokala wrote: man I wish we could have those investigations here in america about things. we often do have such investigations. and they sometimes produce high quality reports with lots of good recommendations, which are then promptly ignored. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 29 2017 05:41 Sermokala wrote: man I wish we could have those investigations here in america about things. That would involve a congress that is willing to hold itself accountable. Sadly, the only time we had any hopes of that, the economy was imploding and the decided to reform health care. And then got voted out of office for doing those things. | ||
xDaunt
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 29 2017 06:21 xDaunt wrote: Well, shit. North Korea apparently fired another ballistic missile. link? | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39750240 | ||
biology]major
United States2253 Posts
An armed and ready nk is going to be a reality whether we like it or not. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On April 29 2017 06:40 biology]major wrote: There is absolutely 0 chance of us stopping nk from testing their missiles. I don't even think china can prevent it. It's cultural, just like how the Japanese would never surrender until they were nuked, Kim Jong un and his people would rather starve and die than to do anything seen as giving up or slowing down. An armed and ready nk is going to be a reality whether we like it or not. there's no debating that what's on the table is which man child decides to attack first. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13968 Posts
I don't think china will tolerate a nuclear NK. Thats my hope the world doesn't end position and I'm sticking with it. | ||
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