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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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farvacola
United States18831 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 28 2017 21:45 opisska wrote: This makes me kinda sympathetic for Trump. I once contemplated how an airline pilot would handle the situation if he was in the middle of overflying the Atlantic suddenly finding out that he doesn't want to continue flying the plane, because somethign like that would happen if I were a pilot. I have no sympathy because this guy was told over and over again he had no idea what being a pilot was like by people with experience piloting, who told him he would definitely hate it, and did it anyway while telling everyone he'd be the best pilot ever. As for NK, I suspect Trump wants nothing more than a good excuse to bomb some North Korean bases and get his numbers up. Luckily cooler heads seem to be prevailing. | ||
KwarK
United States42866 Posts
On April 28 2017 23:58 a_flayer wrote: People also vote for the opposite brand, and hate the brand they do not vote for as much as they like their own. The level of polarization between the brands is so high these days, even higher as it was during the civil war. People who are now entrenched in their parties are unlikely to switch brands even if the other party would obectively better represent their interests. At the same time, there's an ever growing group of people that detest both brands. If there was a third brand, a new brand, without the baggage of the old, then perhaps some of those entrenched people would be more likely to switch, and it might attract a lot of people who are currently disgusted by both parties. Especially if this new brand is headed by an exceptionally popular politician. It obviously wouldn't happen overnight, and it might take an election cycle or three to come to completion, but I think it could be worth it if it broke the extreme levels of polarization that we see today. The Democrats basically already handed total power to the Republicans in November, and are utter shite in their opposition to Trump, so there's not much to lose at this point. If you think this is the Republicans having total power you're delusional. Sure, they control all three branches but their majority is not so big that they can steamroll internal dissent and refuse to endorse candidates for office that don't follow the party whip. They weren't able to take away healthcare from the poor, for example. This is narrow control of all three branches, Thatcher in 79 to keep using the same example. What you're threatening is Thatcher in 83, and that's when she really got going. Three election cycles is a long time to wait for the new party to become popular, especially given that the Democrats would go New Labour and take the same path as the Bernieites after three defeats due to the same causes and then you'd still have two near identical parties and a divided vote. Which is exactly what happened in the UK. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On April 29 2017 00:02 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/20committee/status/857923459598491649 lmao. Yes, Trump. Our trade deal with Korea destroyed our country. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On April 29 2017 00:13 Mohdoo wrote: lmao. Yes, Trump. Our trade deal with Korea destroyed our country. "Did you hear about this thing called e-sports? Apparently the Koreans are really good at it let me tell you. Big league good at it! Now we've got this kids, these you know, kids, well maybe not kids, but young guys you know? And they're, they're trying to be the best, and they could be the best! They have been the best! They win all the time but then the koreans, they win instead! And this is a big problem, a big big problem. Now I want to know, why can't we win? Why aren't we winning? We used to be winning, we used to be the best but now the Koreans are better? I just can't believe it. There needs to be something there, and, and I'm gonna have to look into it cuz there's definitely a problem. Part of the problem is that the Koreans take over what we work so hard on here in America! We need to let Korea know that we won't stand for it. I'm gonna have to call them and we're gonna have to talk about it, so that they don't just take all the games for themselves. I'll get to the bottom of this, and everyone will be saying "wow, look at that, we're winning again" and everyone will ask "how'd he do that?" and I'll tell you all about it when its over. And you'll be amazed. Trust me!" - Donald J. Trump on e-sports | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
Plus apparently now Trump wants a billion dollars for THAAD. but hey at least this will make the Korean presidential race more interesting. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: He wants a billion dollars because we gave them a missile system? I don't think he understands that these arms deals were made a very long time ago and we always get something we want when we make them. Like the ability for our military to operate out of that nation if a conflict arises in that region. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
He gets on the phone with them and they bash his head in with reality until it sticks. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Yurie
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On April 29 2017 01:30 Plansix wrote: I did not believe we would be more embarrassing on the national stage than the GWB years, but I stand corrected. And people claimed we looked weak under Obama. Mostly internally you looked weak, with the gridlock in politics. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Trump probably topped that ten times over already though. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On April 29 2017 01:56 Yurie wrote: Mostly internally you looked weak, with the gridlock in politics. Maybe you forgot about what people called the "Apology tour"... it wasn't just about internal gridlock it was about FP as well. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
On April 29 2017 02:44 Trainrunnef wrote: Maybe you forgot about what people called the "Apology tour"... it wasn't just about internal gridlock it was about FP as well. Yeah... right up until you remember that the US had just dragged Europe into a war based on lies that they (the US) knew were not true. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10741 Posts
Oh and ISIS was the result of this shitshow.. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump told Reuters on Thursday he will either renegotiate or terminate what he called a "horrible" free trade deal with South Korea and said Seoul should pay for a U.S. anti-missile system that he priced at $1 billion. In an interview with Reuters, Trump called the five-year-old trade pact with South Korea "unacceptable" and said it would be targeted for renegotiation after his administration completes a revamp of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico. He blamed the U.S.-Korean trade deal, known as KORUS, on his 2016 Democratic presidential election opponent, Hillary Clinton, who as secretary of state promoted the final version of the trade pact before its approval by Congress in 2011. "It is unacceptable, it is a horrible deal made by Hillary," the Republican Trump said. "It's a horrible deal, and we are going to renegotiate that deal or terminate it." Asked when he would announce his intention to renegotiate the deal, Trump said: "Very soon. I’m announcing it now." Trump's comments stunned South Korean financial markets, sending Seoul stocks <.KS11> and the won currency into reverse even as the country's economic outlook has started to brighten. South Korea's foreign ministry said Seoul would continue to explain to the Trump administration the benefits of the free trade deal. Washington had not officially filed a request to Seoul to renegotiate the agreement, it said. Source The president is finally starting to make sure we aren't getting shortchanged for our considerable military aid abroad and our horribly one-sided trade deals. Hopefully the South Koreans won't talk him out of this one. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On April 29 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote: Source The president is finally starting to make sure we aren't getting shortchanged for our considerable military aid abroad and our horribly one-sided trade deals. Hopefully the South Koreans won't talk him out of this one. This makes the whole North Korea circumstances seem very odd and wondering if like the whole thing here has been a strong arm tactic where Trump's Admin first Saber Rattles with North Korea, then turns to South Korea and pushes on them to renegotiate for protection. I don't have much of an opinion on the actual idea of renegotiating but the context & timing of doesn't seem like it will endear any good will long term. | ||
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