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On April 29 2017 07:05 Sermokala wrote:
That sounds smart but the problem is is thats the same thing that people say about NAFTA and the wall from trump and as time goes on its increaseingly worrying that hes more serious about the wall then still having nafta.
I don't think china will tolerate a nuclear NK. Thats my hope the world doesn't end position and I'm sticking with it.
What tool does China have that does not end with a bloodbath?
China really does not have a lot of power of NK anymore.
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I also don't believe there is anyone in the military that thinks attacking NK is a good idea. They are pretty pumped about bombing terrorist, but not the country that can level that capital of SK with conventional artillery. That might be the only think holding Trump back.
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On April 29 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
I also don't believe there is anyone in the military that thinks attacking NK is a good idea. They are pretty pumped about bombing terrorist, but not the country that can level that capital of SK with conventional artillery.
I think an option is some type of covert ops assasinstion w/ a missle defense ring or just deal with a nuclear Korea and let them do something dumb first. There is no justification for conventional military force right now.
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On April 29 2017 06:56 biology]major wrote:
I think trump is actually doing a good job here, because rn China is probably shitting their pants. They have no idea when these two are gonna lose it and go at it. Trump is purposefully showing force, blatantly aggressive rhetoric so that China is forced to do something. Only problem is I don't think China can do shit. If you squeeze Kim Jong un he will lash out at South Korea even if it is from severe economic sanctions. That's what I feel about it anyways. Typing from phone
Why do you think hes doing a good job if you think that the strategy he is pursuing is flawed at a fundamental level and could never work?
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On April 29 2017 07:10 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
I also don't believe there is anyone in the military that thinks attacking NK is a good idea. They are pretty pumped about bombing terrorist, but not the country that can level that capital of SK with conventional artillery. I think an option is some type of covert ops assasinstion w/ a missle defense ring or just deal with a nuclear Korea and let them do something dumb first. There is no justification for conventional military force right now.
You can't kill the leadership. That is worse than trying to control them. None of the problems go away if you kill Kim, it only makes the nation more unstable.
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On April 29 2017 07:14 ThaddeusK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2017 06:56 biology]major wrote:
I think trump is actually doing a good job here, because rn China is probably shitting their pants. They have no idea when these two are gonna lose it and go at it. Trump is purposefully showing force, blatantly aggressive rhetoric so that China is forced to do something. Only problem is I don't think China can do shit. If you squeeze Kim Jong un he will lash out at South Korea even if it is from severe economic sanctions. That's what I feel about it anyways. Typing from phone Why do you think hes doing a good job if you think that the strategy he is pursuing is flawed at a fundamental level and could never work?
I don't know all the details, Trump has access to so much more info, so it's basically based on trust lol.
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On April 29 2017 07:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2017 07:10 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
I also don't believe there is anyone in the military that thinks attacking NK is a good idea. They are pretty pumped about bombing terrorist, but not the country that can level that capital of SK with conventional artillery. I think an option is some type of covert ops assasinstion w/ a missle defense ring or just deal with a nuclear Korea and let them do something dumb first. There is no justification for conventional military force right now. You can't kill the leadership. That is worse than trying to control them. None of the problems go away if you kill Kim, it only makes the nation more unstable.
Then it seems the only option is to just deal with a nuclear NK, and call their bluff.
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On April 29 2017 07:18 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2017 07:14 ThaddeusK wrote:On April 29 2017 06:56 biology]major wrote:
I think trump is actually doing a good job here, because rn China is probably shitting their pants. They have no idea when these two are gonna lose it and go at it. Trump is purposefully showing force, blatantly aggressive rhetoric so that China is forced to do something. Only problem is I don't think China can do shit. If you squeeze Kim Jong un he will lash out at South Korea even if it is from severe economic sanctions. That's what I feel about it anyways. Typing from phone Why do you think hes doing a good job if you think that the strategy he is pursuing is flawed at a fundamental level and could never work? I don't know all the details, Trump has access to so much more info, so it's basically based on trust lol.
And you trust him after the constant shows of incompetence we have seen sofar?
If you still trust him now, what does it take for him to lose that trust?
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On April 29 2017 07:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2017 07:18 biology]major wrote:On April 29 2017 07:14 ThaddeusK wrote:On April 29 2017 06:56 biology]major wrote:
I think trump is actually doing a good job here, because rn China is probably shitting their pants. They have no idea when these two are gonna lose it and go at it. Trump is purposefully showing force, blatantly aggressive rhetoric so that China is forced to do something. Only problem is I don't think China can do shit. If you squeeze Kim Jong un he will lash out at South Korea even if it is from severe economic sanctions. That's what I feel about it anyways. Typing from phone Why do you think hes doing a good job if you think that the strategy he is pursuing is flawed at a fundamental level and could never work? I don't know all the details, Trump has access to so much more info, so it's basically based on trust lol. And you trust him after the constant shows of incompetence we have seen sofar? If you still trust him now, what does it take for him to lose that trust?
dude, he's being guided by mattis 100%. I think mattis has studied war long enough to understand the best course of action here.
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Iirc Trump said there would only be an extreme response if NK did an actual underground nuclear test, not fire missiles. We'll see what they do after a NK test of that sort.
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On April 29 2017 07:05 Sermokala wrote:
That sounds smart but the problem is is thats the same thing that people say about NAFTA and the wall from trump and as time goes on its increaseingly worrying that hes more serious about the wall then still having nafta.
I don't think china will tolerate a nuclear NK. Thats my hope the world doesn't end position and I'm sticking with it.
China has already tolerated a nuclear NK for 10 years. Although you are right that it has pushed them from a firm ally of NK to a very reluctant strategic partner.
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On April 29 2017 07:29 On_Slaught wrote:
Iirc Trump said there would only be an extreme response if NK did an actual underground nuclear test, not fire missiles. We'll see what they do after a NK test of that sort.
Wow such a great threat when NK has already done 5 underground nuclear tests...
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The only problem isn't just the nukes but also the 1 million + soldiers only very short distance away from Seoul. If this ever escalates this is going to be a really bloody war for both sides even without nukes.
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So I get that the people of NK are completely isolated and cut off from valid information, but what about the leadership? How are they so dumb
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-administration-just-signaled-may-153512830.html
I can see this work actually.
Kim wants to stay in power and the usa and china want denuclearization. The usa can not remove kim anyway without support from china but if china also doesn't want north korea to have nukes then this does seem like a very plausible solution. Kim gets guarantees from both china and the usa that they wont do anything to remove him/seek reunification.and in turn he gives up the nuke program. He would not trust the usa with that off course but he might trust a guarantee from china.
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On April 29 2017 07:36 pmh wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-administration-just-signaled-may-153512830.htmlI can see this work actually. Kim wants to stay in power and the usa and china want denuclearization. The usa can not remove kim anyway without support from china but if china also doesn't want north korea to have nukes then this does seem like a very plausible solution. Kim gets guarantees from both china and the usa that they wont do anything to remove him/seek reunification.and in turn he gives up the nuke program. He would not trust the usa with that off course but he might trust a guarantee from china.
Ha!
No, NK will never give up its nuclear capacity. a bazillion times more so while the US is lead by an idiot.
That nuke is keeping NK safe.
ps.
Ask Ukraine how those 'disarm and we will protect you' treats work out.
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On April 29 2017 07:36 biology]major wrote:
So I get that the people of NK are completely isolated and cut off from valid information, but what about the leadership? How are they so dumb
This chaos is to their benefit. NK as a government certainly strikes one as a bit psychotic but hardly nonsensical.
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I think there will be a deal within1-2 years,it wont escalate further because that simply is not an option. the usa cant do anything without support from china and china wont support a regime change,so this is the only thing left.
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On April 29 2017 07:49 pmh wrote:
I think there will be a deal within1-2 years,it wont escalate further
that seems unjustifiably hopeful. why would you think that?
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