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http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
You guys are talking about this Sanders interview?
I read some thoughts about this a while ago (1) (2) . I reread the interview just now and honestly it doesn't strike me as ignorant and shallow. He correctly diagnoses the problems and comes up with the right solutions, he just doesn't have statutes and such memorized. That's why presidents have advisers. But I guess it's been discussed before, I just wanted to clarify which interview you all were talking about.
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You think someone would remind the man that his party controls all three houses of Government. Or is this him having a temper tantrum I wonder?
Looming above Washington as Congress and the White House attempt to avert a funding shutdown in only five days’ time, Donald Trump’s central campaign promise to build a wall on the Mexican border threatens to bring the US government to a halt this week in a national display of dysfunction.
On Sunday, even White House officials expressed uncertainty about whether the president would sign a funding bill that did not include money for a wall, which Trump has promised since the first day of his presidential campaign.
“We don’t know yet,” said the White House budget director, Mick Mulvaney, on Fox News Sunday. “We are asking for our priorities.”
The president himself waded into the negotiations on Sunday, holding out two sticks and no carrot. “ObamaCare is in serious trouble,” he tweeted. “The Dems need big money to keep it going – otherwise it dies far sooner than anyone would have thought.”
“The Democrats don’t want money from budget going to border wall despite the fact that it will stop drugs and very bad MS 13 gang members,” he continued, suggesting he would accuse Democrats of being soft on international crime.
But Trump also retreated from a related pledge to the American people: that he would “make Mexico pay” for the wall, which is estimated to cost billions.
“Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall,” the president tweeted, without offering a plan or timeline.
Without a deal, funding for the government will run out at midnight on 28 April, Trump’s 100th day in office. The secretary of homeland security, John Kelly, told CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday he suspected the president would push for the wall.
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It serves Trump badly that his campaign was actually quite specific on the nature and timetables of his proposed policies. On the wall, for instance, there was a very specific "day 1, day 2, day 3" prescription for how we would get Mexico to pay. On Obamacare he and Ryan were fairly explicit about repeal being pretty much immediate.
Presumably all that is going to come to a head in the next few weeks as the "hundred days" conversation starts. Trump has already been trying to poison the well on anybody claiming his first hundred days have been lackluster, but does anybody ITT think he's looked good so far? I mean, none of the legislation he's talked about has gone through - only one has been put forward as a bill, and that failed somewhat embarrassingly. A huge portion of the government positions he's supposed to fill are still vacant. He's tried to do some stuff by executive order, but the only major campaign promise he tried to do that way (unless I'm forgetting something) got blocked by the courts; and his own people argued it had to go into effect without warning or it wouldn't work, so by their own argument that will be ineffectual even if the court decision gets overturned. He's mostly just filled his cabinet positions (one of them filled twice because the first guy retired in disgrace) and filled the vacant SCOTUS seat, both of which were supposed to be pretty much rubber stamp processes given he controls both houses. Hell, he had to nuke the filibuster just to get Gorsuch through.
Oh yeah, and he shot some missiles at Syria. Anything else I'm missing?
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I have an even better money saving idea, let's have those of Mexican descent and illegals that are still here be forced to build the wall themselves /s
This guy is an obvious neo-confederate.
The proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border could be paid for by reducing erroneously issued tax credits that go to “mostly Mexicans,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Sunday.
Speaking on ABC’s "This Week," Sessions weighed in on the fight over funding for the wall, which is becoming part of the high-stakes negotiations between the White House and Congress over keeping the government funded after Friday.
“We're going to get paid for it one way or the other,” Sessions said of the wall. “I know there's $4 billion a year in excess payments, according to the Department of the Treasury's own inspector general several years ago, that are going to payments to people — tax credits that they shouldn't get. Now, these are mostly Mexicans. And those kind of things add up — $4 billion a year for 10 years is $40 billion.
"There are a lot of ways we can find money to help pay for this.”
Presumably the report that Sessions was citing was a July 2011 report by the Treasury inspector general for tax administration that said individuals who are not authorized to work in the U.S. have been paid $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits. But it did not mention Mexicans or any other nationalities.
As a presidential candidate in 2015, Donald Trump cited the $4.2 billion figure to criticize U.S. immigration policy.
Democrats on Sunday criticized the Trump administration for focusing on the wall. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on NBC’s "Meet the Press": “The wall is, in my view, immoral, expensive, unwise.”
California Attorney General Xavier Becerra, a former Democratic leader in Congress, said on "This Week": “I'm still trying to figure out who believes that a medieval situation to fix our broken immigrant situation is what we need.”
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On April 24 2017 04:23 ChristianS wrote: It serves Trump badly that his campaign was actually quite specific on the nature and timetables of his proposed policies. On the wall, for instance, there was a very specific "day 1, day 2, day 3" prescription for how we would get Mexico to pay. On Obamacare he and Ryan were fairly explicit about repeal being pretty much immediate.
Presumably all that is going to come to a head in the next few weeks as the "hundred days" conversation starts. Trump has already been trying to poison the well on anybody claiming his first hundred days have been lackluster, but does anybody ITT think he's looked good so far? I mean, none of the legislation he's talked about has gone through - only one has been put forward as a bill, and that failed somewhat embarrassingly. A huge portion of the government positions he's supposed to fill are still vacant. He's tried to do some stuff by executive order, but the only major campaign promise he tried to do that way (unless I'm forgetting something) got blocked by the courts; and his own people argued it had to go into effect without warning or it wouldn't work, so by their own argument that will be ineffectual even if the court decision gets overturned. He's mostly just filled his cabinet positions (one of them filled twice because the first guy retired in disgrace) and filled the vacant SCOTUS seat, both of which were supposed to be pretty much rubber stamp processes given he controls both houses. Hell, he had to nuke the filibuster just to get Gorsuch through.
Oh yeah, and he shot some missiles at Syria. Anything else I'm missing? He killed the TPP and shelved the TTIP, which I have to say I approve of.
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On April 24 2017 04:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 04:23 ChristianS wrote: It serves Trump badly that his campaign was actually quite specific on the nature and timetables of his proposed policies. On the wall, for instance, there was a very specific "day 1, day 2, day 3" prescription for how we would get Mexico to pay. On Obamacare he and Ryan were fairly explicit about repeal being pretty much immediate.
Presumably all that is going to come to a head in the next few weeks as the "hundred days" conversation starts. Trump has already been trying to poison the well on anybody claiming his first hundred days have been lackluster, but does anybody ITT think he's looked good so far? I mean, none of the legislation he's talked about has gone through - only one has been put forward as a bill, and that failed somewhat embarrassingly. A huge portion of the government positions he's supposed to fill are still vacant. He's tried to do some stuff by executive order, but the only major campaign promise he tried to do that way (unless I'm forgetting something) got blocked by the courts; and his own people argued it had to go into effect without warning or it wouldn't work, so by their own argument that will be ineffectual even if the court decision gets overturned. He's mostly just filled his cabinet positions (one of them filled twice because the first guy retired in disgrace) and filled the vacant SCOTUS seat, both of which were supposed to be pretty much rubber stamp processes given he controls both houses. Hell, he had to nuke the filibuster just to get Gorsuch through.
Oh yeah, and he shot some missiles at Syria. Anything else I'm missing? He killed the TPP and shelved the TTIP, which I have to say I approve of. Okay, but the 100 days conversation is usually less about doing the right stuff and more about doing a lot of stuff. We all know he stopped doing stuff that Obama was doing, but what's he actually done?
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On April 24 2017 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:You think someone would remind the man that his party controls all three houses of Government. Or is this him having a temper tantrum I wonder? Show nested quote +Looming above Washington as Congress and the White House attempt to avert a funding shutdown in only five days’ time, Donald Trump’s central campaign promise to build a wall on the Mexican border threatens to bring the US government to a halt this week in a national display of dysfunction.
On Sunday, even White House officials expressed uncertainty about whether the president would sign a funding bill that did not include money for a wall, which Trump has promised since the first day of his presidential campaign.
“We don’t know yet,” said the White House budget director, Mick Mulvaney, on Fox News Sunday. “We are asking for our priorities.”
The president himself waded into the negotiations on Sunday, holding out two sticks and no carrot. “ObamaCare is in serious trouble,” he tweeted. “The Dems need big money to keep it going – otherwise it dies far sooner than anyone would have thought.”
“The Democrats don’t want money from budget going to border wall despite the fact that it will stop drugs and very bad MS 13 gang members,” he continued, suggesting he would accuse Democrats of being soft on international crime.
But Trump also retreated from a related pledge to the American people: that he would “make Mexico pay” for the wall, which is estimated to cost billions.
“Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall,” the president tweeted, without offering a plan or timeline.
Without a deal, funding for the government will run out at midnight on 28 April, Trump’s 100th day in office. The secretary of homeland security, John Kelly, told CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday he suspected the president would push for the wall. Source Someone needs to remind StealthBlue about Trump's opposition within his own party. Else, he would've been able to bully people into healthcare reform and we'd be discussing Ryancare right now.
There's two big squishes running the Congressional side and Trump's just doing his usual schtick, so there's no shutdown. It's just political theater, and I've half a mind to believe both sides enjoy it underneath it all.
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On April 24 2017 05:03 Danglars wrote: There's two big squishes running the Congressional side and Trump's just doing his usual schtick, so there's no shutdown. It's just political theater, and I've half a mind to believe both sides enjoy it underneath it all. They'd be doing the same dance regardless of who's in the White House. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say they enjoy it, but at the very least they consider it part of the job description.
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this shouldn't surprise anyone
God is Ben Carson’s favorite subject. Brain surgery is a close second. Housing is somewhere further down the list.
“I was told that as a government leader, I really shouldn't talk about God. But I have to tell you, it's part of who I am,” Carson said last month, in one of his first speeches as Housing and Urban Development secretary.
Less than two months into the job, Carson still holds forth on God and neurosurgery, but his views on housing policy remain largely a mystery. While he's making good on a promised listening tour to learn about the $48 billion agency he now leads, he's done little public speaking about the urgent issue at hand — a lack of affordable housing.
That's one reason why early excitement over his nomination has given way to bewilderment and now frustration. Every policy job at the agency remains vacant, and advocates who thought Carson’s celebrity would raise awareness of affordable housing have been disappointed. President Donald Trump doused any remaining hope when he said he would slash HUD funding by 13.2 percent.
Carson told POLITICO that policy proposals are in the works, but in public appearances the one-time presidential candidate is sticking to his stump-speech staples. He prescribes “godly principles” as a cure for the country’s political division and praises housing advocates for “putting God’s love into action.” ...
With that, the secretary — an acclaimed pediatric neurosurgeon — was off and running to his other favorite subject. Housing experts brought on stage to analyze his remarks were flummoxed.
“I was trying to take notes on what he was saying about housing,” said Armando Falcon, chief executive at Falcon Capital Advisors, waving a piece of blank paper. “I could have filled a page with neurosurgery notes."
Faith groups are deeply embedded in the affordable housing firmament, which has greeted Carson’s speeches as part motivational, part sermon and part lecture. The secretary offers no apologies.
“One of the most important parts of our Constitution is freedom of religion. There’s a mistaken thinking that we’re not supposed to talk about God,” Carson told POLITICO. “Godly principles and loving your fellow man and caring about your neighbor, there’s nothing wrong with that.”
But lately, his up-by-the-bootstraps message has been falling flat with anti-poverty audiences.
“It’s a great story, but it’s a dangerous message because not everybody can pull themselves up by their bootstraps,” said Maria Foscarinis, executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty. “Nobody does that, including Secretary Carson. He had a lot of support — his mother, his family, his faith. He had a whole context of support.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/23/ben-carson-housing-surgery-god-237471
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On April 24 2017 06:16 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:this shouldn't surprise anyone Show nested quote +God is Ben Carson’s favorite subject. Brain surgery is a close second. Housing is somewhere further down the list.
“I was told that as a government leader, I really shouldn't talk about God. But I have to tell you, it's part of who I am,” Carson said last month, in one of his first speeches as Housing and Urban Development secretary.
Less than two months into the job, Carson still holds forth on God and neurosurgery, but his views on housing policy remain largely a mystery. While he's making good on a promised listening tour to learn about the $48 billion agency he now leads, he's done little public speaking about the urgent issue at hand — a lack of affordable housing.
That's one reason why early excitement over his nomination has given way to bewilderment and now frustration. Every policy job at the agency remains vacant, and advocates who thought Carson’s celebrity would raise awareness of affordable housing have been disappointed. President Donald Trump doused any remaining hope when he said he would slash HUD funding by 13.2 percent.
Carson told POLITICO that policy proposals are in the works, but in public appearances the one-time presidential candidate is sticking to his stump-speech staples. He prescribes “godly principles” as a cure for the country’s political division and praises housing advocates for “putting God’s love into action.” ...
With that, the secretary — an acclaimed pediatric neurosurgeon — was off and running to his other favorite subject. Housing experts brought on stage to analyze his remarks were flummoxed.
“I was trying to take notes on what he was saying about housing,” said Armando Falcon, chief executive at Falcon Capital Advisors, waving a piece of blank paper. “I could have filled a page with neurosurgery notes."
Faith groups are deeply embedded in the affordable housing firmament, which has greeted Carson’s speeches as part motivational, part sermon and part lecture. The secretary offers no apologies.
“One of the most important parts of our Constitution is freedom of religion. There’s a mistaken thinking that we’re not supposed to talk about God,” Carson told POLITICO. “Godly principles and loving your fellow man and caring about your neighbor, there’s nothing wrong with that.”
But lately, his up-by-the-bootstraps message has been falling flat with anti-poverty audiences.
“It’s a great story, but it’s a dangerous message because not everybody can pull themselves up by their bootstraps,” said Maria Foscarinis, executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty. “Nobody does that, including Secretary Carson. He had a lot of support — his mother, his family, his faith. He had a whole context of support.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/23/ben-carson-housing-surgery-god-237471
Don't tell Ben Carson that the cost for Melania staying in the gilded palace of Trump Tower could pay for most, possibly all, of NYC's homeless shelter expenses.
But remember not to call these people out for their disturbing levels of greed and selfishness, that would just be demagoguery.
Oh and just since my opinion/position was assumed (and wrong) I actually mostly agree with what Kwark said on this more recently.
Sure all the other things played a role, and it was so close that any combination of them could be the "straw that broke the camels back", but that type of analysis neglects that Hillary had SO MANY advantages, it's only because she was such a horrible candidate that it was even close.
That is to say, we can't be sure if she ran a competent campaign that Comey, Russia, etc. would have been enough for her to lose, but we do know that if she wasn't such a terrible candidate (particularly for this election) none of the other factors would have been nearly enough for her to lose.
So to be clear, sure without Comey. Russia, Cheating, etc.. she could have won, but she should have been so far ahead against literally THE LEAST FAVORABLE/TRUSTED candidate in history that none of that would be enough to lose.
EDIT: Also pretty sure there's a WaPo poll out showing Trump would beat Hillary again (this time in popular vote) if we held the election again today. That's after seeing almost 100 days of Trump's incompetence.
I think people underestimate just how (justifiably) disliked and distrusted Hillary Clinton was and is.
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I honestly think that Hillary could have easily gotten the GHs of the nation - of which there should at least be enough of to clinch the election - on her side, even if reluctantly, had she made a genuine effort to reach out to them and give them the perception that she intended to listen to and address their concerns. But she did everything to show that she had nothing but contempt for those annoying lefties that needed to just fall in line and fuck off. Then, unsurprisingly, they didn't back her.
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@GH: I don't think I disagree with anything you've said there. I'd add that. I'd add that I don't just not know how disliked HRC is (justifiably or no); I don't care. She doesn't matter. Whether we remember her as a McCain or a Quayle might matter to her but matters very little to the outcome of 2018 or 2020.
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On April 24 2017 05:03 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2017 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:You think someone would remind the man that his party controls all three houses of Government. Or is this him having a temper tantrum I wonder? Looming above Washington as Congress and the White House attempt to avert a funding shutdown in only five days’ time, Donald Trump’s central campaign promise to build a wall on the Mexican border threatens to bring the US government to a halt this week in a national display of dysfunction.
On Sunday, even White House officials expressed uncertainty about whether the president would sign a funding bill that did not include money for a wall, which Trump has promised since the first day of his presidential campaign.
“We don’t know yet,” said the White House budget director, Mick Mulvaney, on Fox News Sunday. “We are asking for our priorities.”
The president himself waded into the negotiations on Sunday, holding out two sticks and no carrot. “ObamaCare is in serious trouble,” he tweeted. “The Dems need big money to keep it going – otherwise it dies far sooner than anyone would have thought.”
“The Democrats don’t want money from budget going to border wall despite the fact that it will stop drugs and very bad MS 13 gang members,” he continued, suggesting he would accuse Democrats of being soft on international crime.
But Trump also retreated from a related pledge to the American people: that he would “make Mexico pay” for the wall, which is estimated to cost billions.
“Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall,” the president tweeted, without offering a plan or timeline.
Without a deal, funding for the government will run out at midnight on 28 April, Trump’s 100th day in office. The secretary of homeland security, John Kelly, told CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday he suspected the president would push for the wall. Source Someone needs to remind StealthBlue about Trump's opposition within his own party. Else, he would've been able to bully people into healthcare reform and we'd be discussing Ryancare right now. There's two big squishes running the Congressional side and Trump's just doing his usual schtick, so there's no shutdown. It's just political theater, and I've half a mind to believe both sides enjoy it underneath it all.
So his plan is to threaten a shutdown if he doesn't get he wants then blame Democrats?
Do you hear yourself?
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On April 24 2017 07:05 ChristianS wrote: @GH: I don't think I disagree with anything you've said there. I'd add that. I'd add that I don't just not know how disliked HRC is (justifiably or no); I don't care. She doesn't matter. Whether we remember her as a McCain or a Quayle might matter to her but matters very little to the outcome of 2018 or 2020.
This would be true if she and those loyal to her/think like her didn't still wield great influence in the party. But they quite obviously do, so understanding why she was so disliked is important, and we can't pretend she's no longer relevant, even if we wish that was true.
That her defenders are still blaming Russia, Comey, and Republicans means they still don't want to grapple with the other legitimate reasons why she was so disliked/distrusted, particularly by those who aren't Republicans.
Here's more on that poll I mentioned.
Despite Trump's low approval numbers, the poll showed him retaining support among his base, with 96% of people who said they voted for him saying they would do so again. The poll showed only 85% of those who voted for Hillary Clinton would do so again, with most of those who would not saying they would either go with a third-party candidate or not vote at all.
That difference in remaining support for the two candidates would mean Trump would best Clinton 43 to 40% in a hypothetical rematch today. Source
Democrats don't seem to even want to know why they are so disliked, let alone actually change.
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Understanding why Dems are disliked is absolutely interesting and worth exploring. Understanding why HRC was so disliked is just as useless as understanding Comey's impact on the election - it doesn't apply in the next election so it's useless.
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On April 24 2017 07:29 ChristianS wrote: Understanding why Dems are disliked is absolutely interesting and worth exploring. Understanding why HRC was so disliked is just as useless as understanding Comey's impact on the election - it doesn't apply in the next election so it's useless.
Wrong. Why Hillary is disliked is very similar to why the Democrats are disliked. Comey's shit is useless, but Hillary stands as a singular personification of what problems reside within the Democratic party. Not to mention she and her strongest supporters are the impetus behind a lot of this stuff.
A good example would be campaign finance reform and Obama's lobbyist ban the DNC refused to reinstall after they lost the election.
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Hillary is no outlier within the Democratic party. She's just the most prominent member through whom you cam see the rightfully scorned inner workings of a party which has long since lost its way. It may perhaps also be notable that the party is stacked with Hillary vassals who do her bidding.
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The man has a pretty remarkable ability to selectively find the things in the news that praise him, valid or not, and make a big deal out of them. I can only wonder if he thinks that most of the country secretly loves him.
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On April 24 2017 08:11 LegalLord wrote: The man has a pretty remarkable ability to selectively find the things in the news that praise him, valid or not, and make a big deal out of them. I can only wonder if he thinks that most of the country secretly loves him. While true, he's also claiming to be able to do something he never did (beat Hillary in the popular vote). Seems a bit delusional
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