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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 21:52:48
April 20 2017 21:50 GMT
#147381
As far as damaging substances are concerned, I'd put opioids, especially heroin at the top of the pack. Then you've got a bunch of hard drugs like cocaine, meth/amphetamines, mdma in a tier below that. After that I'd put alcohol, and then weed/lsd kind of on the same tier below alcohol. All have their negative effects, some more so than others. In fact I would argue that the subtle effects of weed on apathy, drive, and sociability might be even more dangerous to a society as a whole since there is so much misinformation about it and most millenials you talk to about weed will just say it's harmless 4/20 yolo or some shit.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 22:08:29
April 20 2017 22:08 GMT
#147382


Lock his ass up
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 22:12:05
April 20 2017 22:11 GMT
#147383
I forgot we had not charged him with anything at this point. That is weirdly hilarious. I will laugh for days if the Trump administration is the one that ends up throwing bloated ego sack in jail.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 20 2017 22:20 GMT
#147384
Assange claims he has dirt on the RNC\Trump. Let's see if he drops any.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 20 2017 22:21 GMT
#147385
Assange has served his purpose now the wannabe strongman wants him gone in case has any dirt.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28675 Posts
April 20 2017 22:25 GMT
#147386
alcohol is really dangerous. It's just that social interaction is, for adults through all layers of society, largely built around alcohol consumption. It's also a lot of fun (partially because it enables you to be an idiot without being judged for it), and moderate consumption doesn't really hurt you. But getting really drunk once can ruin lives. I've been drunk and done stuff that could have pretty much ruined my life (or actually killed me) on like, 3 different occasions. I've smoked a lot more than I've drank, but I've never done anything so mind-numbingly stupid that it could have killed me while high. As anecdotal as this is, it's a pretty universal experience for people with my level of drug use/abuse.

Weed and hash isn't really dangerous. It's more dangerous than some stoners will occasionally like to claim, mostly from a 'personal apathy' point of view, but you can't compare the dangers of weed to the dangers of alcohol. Yes, smoking weed every day is worse for you than moderate alcohol consumption, but comparing either daily use with daily use or weekend binge drinking with weekend binge smoking, it's not even close. I'd personally argue that the biggest problem with weed is just that it's so not-dangerous that a lot of people end up tricked into believing that they can smoke it on a daily basis for years with few adverse side effects, and then they come to themselves 8 years later and realize that wtf, I did nothing. This is bad, both from an individual and a societal point of view. But man, it's nothing like 'yeah I just kinda felt like driving 100 mph through the city even though I'm barely able to walk' or 'I'm walking next to this river and oh shit I fell into it and wow getting out is tough' or 'man, when I'm drunk I sometimes just really want to smash the face of that ugly fucker who looked at me' or the super common 'lol oh I'm actually married, we have 3 children, but damn, I got horny and forgot about all that'.

Part of the thing is also that many of the dangers associated with weed are dangers because it's illegal and you have to buy it from a dealer. Stuff like it harming your social interaction and networking through making you only interact with people who accept that you're high - which in a country where smoking is illegal tends to be other people who also smoke. It's very hard to accurately compare the dangers of a legal with an illegal drug, the fact that weed tends to come out on top of those comparisons even in countries where it is illegal speaks volumes. I haven't seen anything indicating that the personal or societal dangers of weed consumption would increase through it being legalized and regulated. But there's a lot of historical evidence for how legal and regulated alcohol is much better than illegal and unregulated consumption.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 20 2017 22:29 GMT
#147387
Assange should instead receive a Medal of Freedom for exemplary service rendered on behalf of the President of the United States.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
April 20 2017 22:42 GMT
#147388
Assange is just like the rest of the loose ends. The big boys are coming to clean him up.

"Follow the trail of dead Russians": Senate hears testimony on "cyber invasion"


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-meddling-investigation-misinformation-tactics-senate-intelligence-committee/
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
April 21 2017 00:07 GMT
#147389
On April 21 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Marijuana significantly impairs judgment, motor coordination, and reaction time, and studies have found a direct relationship between blood THC concentration and impaired driving ability.

Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in vehicle crashes, including fatal ones Two large European studies found that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be culpable for a fatal crash than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.

Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.


literally the entire page cites research that says marijuana + driving is a bad time, with the exception of the quoted bit.

i don't have a problem with marijuana being used recreationally apart from it smelling like shit (and i semi-support it being used medically, though i want more research to really understand how it works as a painkiller, etc.). however, the idea that putting something in your body that alters your perception doesn't affect your ability to handle heavy machinery is laughable. you don't win support with alternative facts like those.


Yeah, the large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is totally an alternative fact bro.


Not to be the guy using anecdotal evidence to discount a well-controlled study, but if you've been in the car with someone driving before and after they got really stoned it could not be more fucking obvious. I don't know how the NHTSA study found what it found, but you shouldn't need a large controlled study to tell that pot can make you worse at driving.

My guess is that a couple confounding variables interfered. Like at low doses the effect is probably minimal, and for very habitual users it might actually help compared to getting sober. I've definitely known people who smoked every morning and night, and they were very out of it on the rare occasion they were sober. That said, I haven't read the study and couldn't say for sure how they found what they found.

But if extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "pot doesn't negatively impact driving safely" is an absolutely outlandish claim.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 00:57:04
April 21 2017 00:09 GMT
#147390
On April 21 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Marijuana significantly impairs judgment, motor coordination, and reaction time, and studies have found a direct relationship between blood THC concentration and impaired driving ability.

Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in vehicle crashes, including fatal ones Two large European studies found that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be culpable for a fatal crash than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.

Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.


literally the entire page cites research that says marijuana + driving is a bad time, with the exception of the quoted bit.

i don't have a problem with marijuana being used recreationally apart from it smelling like shit (and i semi-support it being used medically, though i want more research to really understand how it works as a painkiller, etc.). however, the idea that putting something in your body that alters your perception doesn't affect your ability to handle heavy machinery is laughable. you don't win support with alternative facts like those.


Yeah, the large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is totally an alternative fact bro.



For reference, if it's the study I'm thinking of that used FARS and drug test data, that specific case-control study was taught in my Epidemiologic methods Ph D program by an expert in injury epidemiology as an example of how missing data induced by design and poor model specification can render causal analysis pretty much impossible.

(actually if that's 190 page version that circulates it's different, but suffers from (almost) all the same problems from a quick look...the fact that all participation is voluntary alone causes a huge amount of selection bias and because of small amount of THC values they had to just use ever/never, which had they done for alcohol would have made it also look a lot better)

(and after digging a bit more they didn't have enough blood data to use THC blood levels, so they went with THC oral sample levels, which may detect THC up to 4 days after use-this is plausibly part of why only 67% of the people with positive oral fluid test have positive blood values in their analysis. Analyzing these individuals the same as people with blood THC levels would be worse than lumping drivers with BAC < 0.05 with BAC > 2.0)

(they did do an admirable job maintaining contact with hit-and-runs, though, and did a lot of good methodologic work-voluntary enrollment and lack of good blood data just make this really hard, similar to how BAC would be less scary if we could only see "drank" or "non-drank" on our tests)
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28675 Posts
April 21 2017 00:31 GMT
#147391
On April 21 2017 09:07 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 21 2017 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Marijuana significantly impairs judgment, motor coordination, and reaction time, and studies have found a direct relationship between blood THC concentration and impaired driving ability.

Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in vehicle crashes, including fatal ones Two large European studies found that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be culpable for a fatal crash than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.

Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.


literally the entire page cites research that says marijuana + driving is a bad time, with the exception of the quoted bit.

i don't have a problem with marijuana being used recreationally apart from it smelling like shit (and i semi-support it being used medically, though i want more research to really understand how it works as a painkiller, etc.). however, the idea that putting something in your body that alters your perception doesn't affect your ability to handle heavy machinery is laughable. you don't win support with alternative facts like those.


Yeah, the large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is totally an alternative fact bro.


Not to be the guy using anecdotal evidence to discount a well-controlled study, but if you've been in the car with someone driving before and after they got really stoned it could not be more fucking obvious. I don't know how the NHTSA study found what it found, but you shouldn't need a large controlled study to tell that pot can make you worse at driving.

My guess is that a couple confounding variables interfered. Like at low doses the effect is probably minimal, and for very habitual users it might actually help compared to getting sober. I've definitely known people who smoked every morning and night, and they were very out of it on the rare occasion they were sober. That said, I haven't read the study and couldn't say for sure how they found what they found.

But if extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "pot doesn't negatively impact driving safely" is an absolutely outlandish claim.


Really agree with this. I really think that legalizing pot is one of the biggest no-brainer political choices we should make as a society, but I think it's equally reasonable to say that you can't drive stoned. I've smoked a lot of hash and weed and I've been in cars with stoned drivers, and I just don't believe for a second that reaction times are not impaired for example. Now, I'd much, much rather be in a car with a stoned than a drunk driver - that's not even remotely close, but I think it is completely, 100% fair to say that neither should be permitted.

I can also buy that people who are habitual smokers might not experience a similar decrease in reaction times, that it might even 'normalize' them in a sense. (alcoholics and heroin addicts can also improve their function through drinking or shooting up), and I can buy that small doses entails a negligible difference in ability (much like most countries permit you to drive after drinking 1 beer - norway doesn't though).
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
April 21 2017 01:10 GMT
#147392
Oh, totally, drunk drivers are way worse than stoned drivers (again, acknowledging the dosage makes a big difference in both cases).
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23255 Posts
April 21 2017 02:48 GMT
#147393
On April 21 2017 09:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 09:07 ChristianS wrote:
On April 21 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 21 2017 05:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Marijuana significantly impairs judgment, motor coordination, and reaction time, and studies have found a direct relationship between blood THC concentration and impaired driving ability.

Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in vehicle crashes, including fatal ones Two large European studies found that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be culpable for a fatal crash than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.

Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.


literally the entire page cites research that says marijuana + driving is a bad time, with the exception of the quoted bit.

i don't have a problem with marijuana being used recreationally apart from it smelling like shit (and i semi-support it being used medically, though i want more research to really understand how it works as a painkiller, etc.). however, the idea that putting something in your body that alters your perception doesn't affect your ability to handle heavy machinery is laughable. you don't win support with alternative facts like those.


Yeah, the large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is totally an alternative fact bro.


Not to be the guy using anecdotal evidence to discount a well-controlled study, but if you've been in the car with someone driving before and after they got really stoned it could not be more fucking obvious. I don't know how the NHTSA study found what it found, but you shouldn't need a large controlled study to tell that pot can make you worse at driving.

My guess is that a couple confounding variables interfered. Like at low doses the effect is probably minimal, and for very habitual users it might actually help compared to getting sober. I've definitely known people who smoked every morning and night, and they were very out of it on the rare occasion they were sober. That said, I haven't read the study and couldn't say for sure how they found what they found.

But if extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "pot doesn't negatively impact driving safely" is an absolutely outlandish claim.


Really agree with this. I really think that legalizing pot is one of the biggest no-brainer political choices we should make as a society, but I think it's equally reasonable to say that you can't drive stoned. I've smoked a lot of hash and weed and I've been in cars with stoned drivers, and I just don't believe for a second that reaction times are not impaired for example. Now, I'd much, much rather be in a car with a stoned than a drunk driver - that's not even remotely close, but I think it is completely, 100% fair to say that neither should be permitted.

I can also buy that people who are habitual smokers might not experience a similar decrease in reaction times, that it might even 'normalize' them in a sense. (alcoholics and heroin addicts can also improve their function through drinking or shooting up), and I can buy that small doses entails a negligible difference in ability (much like most countries permit you to drive after drinking 1 beer - norway doesn't though).



The bold part is important. This is why DUI's shouldn't have shit to do with the amount/type of the substance in your system (save for some particular circumstances).

I'd take some Nebraska Farmer blowing a .20 over some dumbass kid who just smoked a joint or some senior citizen that should have stopped driving a decade ago.

Our "sobriety tests" as we call them should be exclusively assessing your ability to operate a motor vehicle. I suppose we could still make being able to drive well while under the influence a ticketable offence. But it makes no sense to me that a senior citizen who's reaction time is well below that of a hammered college student is perfectly legal, but a 18yo who's been drinking and driving since 13 (and can drive circles around said senior) can get the book thrown at them for blowing a .04

I don't care if your driving sucks because you shot up, took a pill, smoked a joint, didn't sleep, mad at your wife, what the hell ever, I care that your unable to meet a basic threshold for driving ability while in whatever state it is.

Test that, not fucking wing it for anything other than alcohol (which we have a semi-decent way to measure) and then ignore how much it did or didn't impair their driving.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 03:26:59
April 21 2017 02:49 GMT
#147394
Yeehaw!!!

Two-thirds of Americans believe that guns should be restricted in many public places, according to a study published on Thursday.

The study, by a group of leading public health researchers, found that at least 64% of those surveyed did not support carrying guns on college campuses, in places of worship, government buildings, schools, bars or sports stadiums. Even among gun owners, a majority did not approve of guns in bars or in schools. The survey published in the American Journal of Public Health comes as a number of states have passed laws to expand where guns can be carried in public.

“That’s an important finding because it goes against the general trend of what lawmakers are doing,” said Julia Wolfson, a professor of public health at the University of Michigan and one of the study’s co-authors.

Already in 2017, Arkansas has passed a bill allowing guns on college campuses, in government buildings, and in bars. Georgia’s governor, Nathan Deal, is considering a proposal that would allow concealed weapons at colleges. And state legislators in New Hampshire, North Dakota, and Iowa have passed so-called constitutional carry bills, eliminating permitting requirements for carrying concealed weapons.

The new findings by researchers at Harvard University, Northeastern University, and Johns Hopkins University are the latest in a set of studies that are painting the most definitive portrait of American gun ownership in two decades.

The authors asked nearly 4,000 respondents whether they thought people should be allowed to bring firearms into nine public places: restaurants, schools, college campuses, bars, government buildings, sports stadiums, retail stores, service settings such as barber shops, and places of worship.

Only 9.4% of respondents said they supported allowing guns in all nine public places. Restaurants, service settings, and retail stores were the only locations in which more than 30% of respondents said that people should be allowed to carry firearms.

The survey was conducted online in 2015 on behalf of the academics by GfK, a market research company, as part of a larger inquiry into the habits and attitudes of American gun owners. The survey, which oversampled for veterans and gun owners, asked respondents to specify if they owned a firearm or lived in a household with one.

Support for carrying guns in public was higher among gun owners than among those who did not own firearms.

A majority of gun owners surveyed supported carrying guns in restaurants, service settings, and retail establishments. But three out of four gun owners said they did not approve of carrying guns in bars, and two-thirds said they did not feel firearms should be allowed in schools.

The survey found that support for guns in public places did not vary by region of the country. Controlled for gun-owning status, respondents who live in the south, where many states freely permit carrying guns in public, were no more supportive of the practice than respondents in the north-east, where gun laws are generally stricter.

Two of the study’s co-authors, Deborah Azrael of Harvard University and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University, conducted a similar survey on attitudes to guns in public in 1999. Generally, Americans have become more accepting of guns in public places over the last 18 years: while in 1999 just 4% of respondents said they supported guns on college campuses, 22.5% now approve of campus carry.

But the authors point out that the different language used could account for that change. The earlier questionnaire asked how respondents would feel about “people in your community” carrying in select public places. The new survey asked about attitudes toward “people who are authorized to carry firearms in your community”, which in some states states requires training and approval from law enforcement.

It’s difficult to account for the growing acceptance of guns in public, the authors said. “It’s the $64,000 question,” said Azrael. “What’s happened in the past 15 years? Many more laws have made it possible to carry guns anywhere. More people own handguns than did in the past. It wouldn’t surprise me if they also wanted to carry them more places.”

In the nearly two decades between the surveys, many states have made laws around carrying guns in public more permissive. In 2000, seven states had an outright ban on carrying concealed weapons in public, and only Vermont allowed its residents to carry a gun without a permit. Now, all 50 states allow some form of concealed carry, and a dozen states have scrapped their permitting requirements for carrying firearms.


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18829 Posts
April 21 2017 03:05 GMT
#147395
Clearly, the solution to the problem of enforcing laws against impaired driving is to install a hyper-realistic driving simulator into police vans so that officers can test suspects for driving ability in a safe and contained environment. I am only half joking.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 21 2017 03:49 GMT
#147396
Life?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 21 2017 04:00 GMT
#147397
In the heart of Trumpland will be, more than likely, the first to start suffering from climate change.

Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards has declared a state of emergency over the state's rapidly eroding coastline.

It's an effort to bring nationwide attention to the issue and speed up the federal permitting process for coastal restoration projects.

"Decades of saltwater intrusion, subsidence and rising sea levels have made the Louisiana coast the nation's most rapidly deteriorating shoreline," WWNO's Travis Lux tells our Newscast unit. "It loses the equivalent of one football field of land every hour."

More than half of the state's population lives on the coast, the declaration states. It adds that the pace of erosion is getting faster: "more than 1,800 square miles of land between 1932 and 2010, including 300 square miles of marshland between 2004 and 2008 alone."

The governor estimates that if no further action is taken, "2,250 square miles of coastal Louisiana is expected to be lost" in the next 50 years. He emphasized the importance of the land to industries such as energy, maritime transportation and trade.

Lux says the governor hopes this will pave the way to move ahead with coastal projects:

"The state has a plan to implement more than 100 restoration and protection projects — like rebuilding marshes and barrier islands — but some of those projects are getting slowed down by federal environmental permits."

Those projects are part of a 50-year, $50 billion master plan that was unanimously approved by a state panel on Wednesday, according to The Times-Picayune. The newspaper says the plan "relies largely on money from settlement of the 2010 BP oil spill litigation to speed restoration of coastal land and wetlands and protect them from hurricanes."

Now Edwards is asking President Trump to declare the erosion of Louisiana's coast a national emergency and "provide appropriate federal attention and cooperation" to assist the state. The emergency declaration also asks for Congress to "consider legislation to provide for means by which to expedite all federal permitting and environmental review."


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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 21 2017 05:20 GMT
#147398
I'm sure health care overhaul try two is going to go well.

Almost half a million veterans gained health care coverage during the first two years of the Affordable Care Act, a report finds.

In the years leading up to the implementation of the ACA's major coverage provisions, from 2010 to 2013, nearly 1 million of the nation's approximately 22 million veterans didn't have health insurance. Almost half of all veterans are enrolled in the VA health system; others get health care through employers or Medicare. But some don't quality for those options, and others don't know that they have them.

Two years after the ACA's implementation, 429,000 veterans under the age of 65 gained coverage, which is a 40 percent drop in vets without insurance from 2013 to 2015. The vets were covered for the most part through Medicaid expansion, privately purchased plans and marketplace coverage, according to the report.

The number of insured veterans rose across demographics like age, gender, race and education level. "The gains in coverage were really broad," says Jennifer Haley, a research associate at the Urban Institute, a research group based in Washington, D.C., who was an author on the report


cutting veterans health insurance and the other proposal of weakening the GI bill is sure to be politically popular.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/04/19/524751540/many-veterans-gained-health-care-through-the-affordable-care-act
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Two-thirds of Americans believe that guns should be restricted in many public places, according to a study published on Thursday.

The study, by a group of leading public health researchers, found that at least 64% of those surveyed did not support carrying guns on college campuses, in places of worship, government buildings, schools, bars or sports stadiums. Even among gun owners, a majority did not approve of guns in bars or in schools. The survey published in the American Journal of Public Health comes as a number of states have passed laws to expand where guns can be carried in public.

“That’s an important finding because it goes against the general trend of what lawmakers are doing,” said Julia Wolfson, a professor of public health at the University of Michigan and one of the study’s co-authors.

Already in 2017, Arkansas has passed a bill allowing guns on college campuses, in government buildings, and in bars. Georgia’s governor, Nathan Deal, is considering a proposal that would allow concealed weapons at colleges. And state legislators in New Hampshire, North Dakota, and Iowa have passed so-called constitutional carry bills, eliminating permitting requirements for carrying concealed weapons.

The new findings by researchers at Harvard University, Northeastern University, and Johns Hopkins University are the latest in a set of studies that are painting the most definitive portrait of American gun ownership in two decades.

The authors asked nearly 4,000 respondents whether they thought people should be allowed to bring firearms into nine public places: restaurants, schools, college campuses, bars, government buildings, sports stadiums, retail stores, service settings such as barber shops, and places of worship.

Only 9.4% of respondents said they supported allowing guns in all nine public places. Restaurants, service settings, and retail stores were the only locations in which more than 30% of respondents said that people should be allowed to carry firearms.

The survey was conducted online in 2015 on behalf of the academics by GfK, a market research company, as part of a larger inquiry into the habits and attitudes of American gun owners. The survey, which oversampled for veterans and gun owners, asked respondents to specify if they owned a firearm or lived in a household with one.

Support for carrying guns in public was higher among gun owners than among those who did not own firearms.

A majority of gun owners surveyed supported carrying guns in restaurants, service settings, and retail establishments. But three out of four gun owners said they did not approve of carrying guns in bars, and two-thirds said they did not feel firearms should be allowed in schools.

The survey found that support for guns in public places did not vary by region of the country. Controlled for gun-owning status, respondents who live in the south, where many states freely permit carrying guns in public, were no more supportive of the practice than respondents in the north-east, where gun laws are generally stricter.

Two of the study’s co-authors, Deborah Azrael of Harvard University and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University, conducted a similar survey on attitudes to guns in public in 1999. Generally, Americans have become more accepting of guns in public places over the last 18 years: while in 1999 just 4% of respondents said they supported guns on college campuses, 22.5% now approve of campus carry.

But the authors point out that the different language used could account for that change. The earlier questionnaire asked how respondents would feel about “people in your community” carrying in select public places. The new survey asked about attitudes toward “people who are authorized to carry firearms in your community”, which in some states states requires training and approval from law enforcement.

It’s difficult to account for the growing acceptance of guns in public, the authors said. “It’s the $64,000 question,” said Azrael. “What’s happened in the past 15 years? Many more laws have made it possible to carry guns anywhere. More people own handguns than did in the past. It wouldn’t surprise me if they also wanted to carry them more places.”

In the nearly two decades between the surveys, many states have made laws around carrying guns in public more permissive. In 2000, seven states had an outright ban on carrying concealed weapons in public, and only Vermont allowed its residents to carry a gun without a permit. Now, all 50 states allow some form of concealed carry, and a dozen states have scrapped their permitting requirements for carrying firearms.


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It doesn't seem real newsworthy. Bars and schools no, normal shops and restaurants yes. Campus carry support goes up after very public killings in gun-free campus zones.

Unmentioned is how hard some states (and federal enclaves) have made it to obtain a concealed carry. Sometimes it takes actual proof of a violent stalker or other threat and high fees ... a ban on almost all concealed carry through other means. There's a couple cases that the Supreme Court may hear this year that deal with absurd conditions to be met for citizens to enjoy their second-amendment rights, their civil rights, outside of their own doors.
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April 21 2017 05:37 GMT
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On April 21 2017 13:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the heart of Trumpland will be, more than likely, the first to start suffering from climate change.

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Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards has declared a state of emergency over the state's rapidly eroding coastline.

It's an effort to bring nationwide attention to the issue and speed up the federal permitting process for coastal restoration projects.

"Decades of saltwater intrusion, subsidence and rising sea levels have made the Louisiana coast the nation's most rapidly deteriorating shoreline," WWNO's Travis Lux tells our Newscast unit. "It loses the equivalent of one football field of land every hour."

More than half of the state's population lives on the coast, the declaration states. It adds that the pace of erosion is getting faster: "more than 1,800 square miles of land between 1932 and 2010, including 300 square miles of marshland between 2004 and 2008 alone."

The governor estimates that if no further action is taken, "2,250 square miles of coastal Louisiana is expected to be lost" in the next 50 years. He emphasized the importance of the land to industries such as energy, maritime transportation and trade.

Lux says the governor hopes this will pave the way to move ahead with coastal projects:

"The state has a plan to implement more than 100 restoration and protection projects — like rebuilding marshes and barrier islands — but some of those projects are getting slowed down by federal environmental permits."

Those projects are part of a 50-year, $50 billion master plan that was unanimously approved by a state panel on Wednesday, according to The Times-Picayune. The newspaper says the plan "relies largely on money from settlement of the 2010 BP oil spill litigation to speed restoration of coastal land and wetlands and protect them from hurricanes."

Now Edwards is asking President Trump to declare the erosion of Louisiana's coast a national emergency and "provide appropriate federal attention and cooperation" to assist the state. The emergency declaration also asks for Congress to "consider legislation to provide for means by which to expedite all federal permitting and environmental review."


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An article that makes no claim on global warming or climate change reminds you that they'll be the first to see the effects? Did you forget Louisiana had a coastline? If I were to make a similarly brash and unwarranted comment, I'd say the idiotic Fed is needlessly delaying necessary environmental maintenance through their drawn-out permitting process. Or maybe that environmentalists are to blame. Let's keep the rhetoric grounded in reality here.
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