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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 12 2017 21:08 GMT
#146561
Nevuk -> I'd assume it matters little; last I heard the FEC openly admitted it wasn't going to be able to go after anyone for violations; it's deadlocked 3-3 partisan, and pretty weak, and there's very little will to support them going after anything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us/politics/fec-cant-curb-2016-election-abuse-commission-chief-says.html?_r=0
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 12 2017 21:10 GMT
#146562
On April 13 2017 06:08 zlefin wrote:
Nevuk -> I'd assume it matters little; last I heard the FEC openly admitted it wasn't going to be able to go after anyone for violations; it's deadlocked 3-3 partisan, and pretty weak, and there's very little will to support them going after anything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us/politics/fec-cant-curb-2016-election-abuse-commission-chief-says.html?_r=0

Yeah, only way I could see it mattering was if Trump was looking for an excuse to punt Bannon out.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2017 21:10 GMT
#146563
Yet another reason to adopt the Jobs + Get Money Out of Elections platform. Congress can’t be trusted to police super PACs.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23609 Posts
April 12 2017 21:12 GMT
#146564
On April 13 2017 06:10 Plansix wrote:
Yet another reason to adopt the Jobs + Get Money Out of Elections platform. Congress can’t be trusted to police super PACs.


Who has that platform?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 12 2017 21:14 GMT
#146565
On April 13 2017 06:10 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:08 zlefin wrote:
Nevuk -> I'd assume it matters little; last I heard the FEC openly admitted it wasn't going to be able to go after anyone for violations; it's deadlocked 3-3 partisan, and pretty weak, and there's very little will to support them going after anything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us/politics/fec-cant-curb-2016-election-abuse-commission-chief-says.html?_r=0

Yeah, only way I could see it mattering was if Trump was looking for an excuse to punt Bannon out.

I don't think trump really cares about excuses to do things; and if you wanna punt Bannon there's plenty of reasons.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 12 2017 21:17 GMT
#146566
On April 13 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:10 Plansix wrote:
Yet another reason to adopt the Jobs + Get Money Out of Elections platform. Congress can’t be trusted to police super PACs.


Who has that platform?

The highly electable progressive who gets things done?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2017 21:26 GMT
#146567
On April 13 2017 06:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:10 Plansix wrote:
Yet another reason to adopt the Jobs + Get Money Out of Elections platform. Congress can’t be trusted to police super PACs.


Who has that platform?

It’s the P6 suggested this would be a super great platform because it is things everyone in the county wants.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 12 2017 21:36 GMT
#146568
On April 13 2017 05:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

He's such a great guy. Personally convinced NATO to fight terrorism so it's no longer obsolete. They will probably even get troops in afghanistan some day /s
Neosteel Enthusiast
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 21:38:02
April 12 2017 21:37 GMT
#146569
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 22:02:58
April 12 2017 21:45 GMT
#146570
On April 13 2017 06:37 LegalLord wrote:
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!

damn it now i'm gonna think your posts are gorsameth for weeks

zlefin is a wraith, oneofthem is league of legends, p6 is dota, hammer is usually kwark if it is a paragraph or stealthblue if it is a summary of an article. gh is defiler, xdaunt carrier
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23609 Posts
April 12 2017 21:49 GMT
#146571
On April 13 2017 06:37 LegalLord wrote:
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!


If Trump makes it 4 years that means when we finally finish his first 100 days, we'll only have about 13 and half more periods like this to go.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 21:54:00
April 12 2017 21:53 GMT
#146572
On April 13 2017 06:37 LegalLord wrote:
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!

fuck i thought that was 10k.

i love my archon . oh that's right there's a carrier at the end of this tunnel rip. i'll have to find a new race to rep.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 12 2017 22:09 GMT
#146573
On April 13 2017 06:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:37 LegalLord wrote:
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!


If Trump makes it 4 years that means when we finally finish his first 100 days, we'll only have about 13 and half more periods like this to go.

Look on the bright side. If it keeps going like this, we'll have something to bicker and argue and amuse ourselves with for at least that long.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 22:22:47
April 12 2017 22:18 GMT
#146574
https://www.apnews.com/861959fa610147b49bc9d5f2b25a0ce8

Politics
The Latest: Manafort registering with US as foreign agent


Better late than never!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 12 2017 22:21 GMT
#146575
On April 13 2017 05:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 05:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
Are we close enough to another cold war for Democrats to drop the Trump is Russia's stooge stuff?


Every new piece of classified information that comes out reveals deeper ties. The new AP reports of Manafort really getting paid according to the Ukranian black book, the Page FISA warrant, Nunes distractions just being a heap of lies. Why do you want to sweep this under the rug? Why not let the investigation into Russian interference continue?

EDIT: just today we have Trump hinting at a lack of confidence in Comey. What will it take before you realize the value of these investigations? Foreign interference matters, lets find out.

Show nested quote +
"No, it's not too late," Trump said when Maria Bartiromo asked if it was too late to fire Comey. "But you know I have confidence in him. We’ll see what happens. It’s going to be interesting."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-not-too-late-fire-comey

I think GH is talking the leak-section, which is pretty intent on finding more and more smoke and only hints of fires. The investigation itself is fine. Nunes actually found something mostly unrelated to Russia that might involve conspiracy to unmask and leak. I'm waiting for the investigation into that too. Right now, the better move is to focus on all the awful things he's doing and plans to do and not put the investigation cart before the horse.

To GH, Democrats are too invested in weekly Red Scare news to stop now. It's too connected to illegitimate president narratives and whatever you want to call the big-baddie literally-Hitler narrative.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 23:04:19
April 12 2017 22:30 GMT
#146576
On April 13 2017 07:21 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 05:46 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On April 13 2017 05:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
Are we close enough to another cold war for Democrats to drop the Trump is Russia's stooge stuff?


Every new piece of classified information that comes out reveals deeper ties. The new AP reports of Manafort really getting paid according to the Ukranian black book, the Page FISA warrant, Nunes distractions just being a heap of lies. Why do you want to sweep this under the rug? Why not let the investigation into Russian interference continue?

EDIT: just today we have Trump hinting at a lack of confidence in Comey. What will it take before you realize the value of these investigations? Foreign interference matters, lets find out.

"No, it's not too late," Trump said when Maria Bartiromo asked if it was too late to fire Comey. "But you know I have confidence in him. We’ll see what happens. It’s going to be interesting."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-not-too-late-fire-comey

I think GH is talking the leak-section, which is pretty intent on finding more and more smoke and only hints of fires. The investigation itself is fine. Nunes actually found something mostly unrelated to Russia that might involve conspiracy to unmask and leak. I'm waiting for the investigation into that too. Right now, the better move is to focus on all the awful things he's doing and plans to do and not put the investigation cart before the horse.

To GH, Democrats are too invested in weekly Red Scare news to stop now. It's too connected to illegitimate president narratives and whatever you want to call the big-baddie literally-Hitler narrative.

Please, Hitler wasn't so bad. A spokesman for the American government told me this, so it must be true.

On April 13 2017 06:03 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Campaign Legal Center, a non partisan watchdog group, has filed new evidence with the Federal Election Commission, which they say shows that a Trump supporting super PAC illegally compensated Steve Bannon, Trump’s current White House Chief Strategist, during the campaign.

The group also alleges that the same super PAC, Make America Number 1, engaged in unlawful coordination by using a common vendor. The PAC was initially founded to fight Hillary Clinton, and most of the donations came from conservative high-dollar donor Robert Mercer, the billionaire. Mercer was initially a Ted Cruz supporter, but threw his support behind Trump after Cruz was out of the race.

The FEC letter that the Campaign Legal Center sent to the commission alleges that Make America Number 1 appeared to have paid Bannon through two “cover” firms, Glittering Steel LLC, and Cambridge Analytics. The letter contends that those companies are incorporated at the same address as Bannon’s consulting firm, Bannon Strategic advisors. Federal law prohibits super PACs from coordinating with official campaigns.
“The evidence suggests that the Mercer-backed super PAC secretly subsidized Bannon’s work for the Trump campaign by payments to ‘Glittering Steel,’ which we now know has been chaired and is owned by Bannon and which paid him a monthly consulting fee,” Brendan Fischer, director of the federal and FEC reform program at the Campaign Legal Center, said in a statement obtained by LawNewz.com.

The letter filed Wednesday was a supplement to an original complaint that the organization first filed with commission back in October.

The watchdog group also sent a letter to California’s Attorney General asking for an investigation into whether the firms that received Bannon’s payments are complying with state law. Specifically, the group contends that Glittering LLC is registered in Delaware but engages in a practice of intrastate practice in California.

“Bannon’s company appears to have dodged the California disclosure requirements that would provide more public information that could inform whether it broke federal campaign finance law,” said Fischer.

LawNewz.com has emailed the White House for comment on this story.


http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/watchdog-claims-they-have-evidence-bannon-was-illegally-paid-as-trumps-campaign-chair/

I can't tell if this matters or not

I wonder which had more impact/visibility, Mercers internet troll campaign or that of the Russians. They were both likely propagating the exact same things.

I really think that people are vastly overestimating the amount of influence Russia's interference had on the campaign due to the extensive media coverage on the subject in the past few months.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 12 2017 22:31 GMT
#146577
On April 13 2017 05:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 04:57 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 13 2017 04:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On April 13 2017 03:43 Plansix wrote:
Trump is being told that the House and Senate are not taking up tax reform and are only interested in healthcare so they don’t get slapped in 2018.


So they have no strategy unless some hail Mary passes they agree with the Freedom Caucasus which would be deeply unpopular with moderate constituents.


My rough estimation of the healthcare fight is this: Which ever bill you pass, you either lose the senate or you lose congress, as the GOP. As a result, the GOP is best served by doing nothing. Anything the HFC agrees to will lose purple senators their job.

This is what happens when you try to pull the same thing off that happened in 2008, but you don’t have a super majority and also refuse to work outside your party.



well David Frum got fired for telling a conservative think tank this was going to happen back when the ACA was being worked out. Doesn't help when you fire anyone who disagrees with you
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 12 2017 22:35 GMT
#146578
On April 13 2017 06:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:37 LegalLord wrote:
Trump according to Trump is the best president we've had in ages. Look how much he resolved in just 80ish days.

Woohoo! Arbiter now!


If Trump makes it 4 years that means when we finally finish his first 100 days, we'll only have about 13 and half more periods like this to go.

Judging by the news, bombing Syria once earns him about three days of reprieve from criticism for being too close to Russia. By that metric I think we need about 450 more of these to keep the media-based Russia investigation buried in the news cycle.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 12 2017 22:47 GMT
#146579
lobbyist ban seems to be effective.

Senior White House budget adviser Marcus Peacock is leaving President Donald Trump’s administration to become the second in command at a high-profile business lobby group in Washington that’s looking to increase its influence.

Peacock, a top policy expert in the Office of Management and Budget, joined the Business Roundtable Wednesday and will lead policy work on the group’s key issues related to Trump’s agenda, including tax legislation, infrastructure spending and regulatory reform, the roundtable said.

Peacock will recuse himself from lobbying OMB for six months, the roundtable said. When he joined the Trump administration, Peacock signed an ethics pledge required by the president that would’ve banned him from lobbying his former office for five years. The White House granted him a waiver from that commitment, the roundtable said. At OMB, Peacock served as a special government employee -- a temporary position that allows a person to work no more than 130 days in a year.

Since JPMorgan Chase & Co. chief executive Jamie Dimon took over in January as chairman of the roundtable, the group has been taking steps to capitalize on the Trump administration’s pro-business agenda. Dimon installed as president Joshua Bolten, a former chief of staff to President George W. Bush who also worked with Peacock in that administration.

“Marcus Peacock has built a distinguished record in Washington and is widely recognized for his expertise in budgeting, policy and federal regulation,” Bolten said in a statement. “I am delighted he is joining our team at Business Roundtable.”



https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-12/senior-white-house-adviser-departs-for-business-lobbying-group
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 12 2017 23:16 GMT
#146580
General Russian leadership thoughts on the Tillerson meeting: "Thank God there's at least one sane person in this shitshow we can talk to, we might be able to actually negotiate stuff this way."

(Though they are pretty pissed about Tillerson's "you're either with us or you're with the Iran-Assad axis of evil" comments a few days ago.)
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