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KwarK
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farvacola
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On April 13 2017 00:40 xDaunt wrote: The big differences between W and Trump are 1) Trump is not ideological at all, and 2) Trump has a desire to be loved that W did not. I suspect that it's the combination of these two factors that is driving much of what we've seen from Trump over the past couple of weeks as he has reversed himself on some campaign positions. Trump is extremely ideological, only his ideology lends itself to him being utilized as a puppet by those with less mercurial commitments. In other words, when one's baseline beliefs deal in transactionalizing everything alongside a relativistic "what's good is what works" mindset, those who can line up their interests with you will usually be able to exert at least some control over what's going on. Nevertheless, if your point is that Trump can seem to wear many hats, I don't disagree. As for Dubya not wanting to be loved, I'm not sure I agree with you there. Pretty much everything about his Texas old boy charm seemed aimed at getting folks to like him, and until he became President, that had mostly worked. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 13 2017 00:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: It's even on his own website xD “I have known Steve and Kellyanne both for many years. They are extremely capable, highly qualified people who love to win and know how to win,” said Mr. Trump. “I believe we’re adding some of the best talents in politics, with the experience and expertise needed to defeat Hillary Clinton in November" Now read his statement from yesterday again: “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late,” Trump said. “I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve. I’m my own strategist and it wasn’t like I was going to change strategies because I was facing crooked Hillary.” This is some Leslie Nielsen movie quality stuff It's funny but sad The thing is Trump has some magic wand that let's him get away with saying shit like this. It won't even be questioned anymore, and will probably be treated as "oh that is just another trumpism", even though he is POTUS. He's got a persona where being accurate with words, or being truthful is not an expectation because he has convinced everyone that is he is actually incapable of speaking in such a manner, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and with or without some sort of evil intention. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 13 2017 00:49 KwarK wrote: Trump has always been friends with Eurasia. At this point it looks like both Eurasia and Eastasia are going to be at war with our dear leader. | ||
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KwarK
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On April 13 2017 00:57 biology]major wrote: The thing is Trump has some magic wand that let's him get away with saying shit like this. It won't even be questioned anymore, and will probably be treated as "oh that is just another trumpism", even though he is POTUS. He's got a persona where being accurate with words, or being truthful is not an expectation because he has convinced everyone that is he is actually incapable of speaking in such a manner, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and with or without some sort of evil intention. It's not a magic wand. Half the country would like to hold him accountable for these lies but they're unable to do so so they just add them to the bottom of a very long list of shit they want to hold him accountable for. The other half of the country is able to hold him accountable for this shit but doesn't want the significant portion of their own voter base that actually identifies as being deplorable, even after learning what the word means, to call them cucks so they deliberately choose not to hold him accountable. | ||
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Plansix
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Mohdoo
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On April 13 2017 00:40 xDaunt wrote: The big differences between W and Trump are 1) Trump is not ideological at all, and 2) Trump has a desire to be loved that W did not. I suspect that it's the combination of these two factors that is driving much of what we've seen from Trump over the past couple of weeks as he has reversed himself on some campaign positions. I don't think he has entirely purposely reversed positions. He truly does not know what he is doing and has hoped to to be able to delegate work out the same way you can with management. It is considerably more feasible to have regional managers who handle real estate I think the simple fact of the matter is that there isn't enough "total effectiveness" in his cabinet/confidants. I imagine he has been in a couple meetings where certain hopes or aspirations are just like...downright impossible or suicide or something like that. Trump is realizing that all of the things he wanted to do are going to be very difficult or perhaps not possible. It seems like his thrust is kind of in free fall and he sees Bannon as the reason things are going wrong. If you ask me, Bannon happened to be right a lot during the campaign and Trump ended up giving him more faith than he should have. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Notice Trump never takes responsibility for anything but congratulates himself anyway. Also unmanned missiles... | ||
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Mohdoo
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On April 13 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/852153553493864452 Notice Trump never takes responsibility for anything but congratulates himself anyway. Also unmanned missiles... It feels like he ran for president purely for moments like this. He is the happiest he has ever been. | ||
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LegalLord
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle say the classified intelligence reports that House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) explosively surfaced in March press conference show no evidence that the Obama administration improperly surveilled the Trump transition team, CNN reported Wednesday. Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides who reviewed the same documents as Nunes told CNN that they have found nothing unusual in the reports. This follows a week of attacks on Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, over allegations that she requested the “unmasking” of Trump transition officials swept up in surveillance of foreign nationals and then leaked that information. Nunes’ office did not immediately respond to TPM’s request for comment. Trump last week called Rice’s involvement in unmasking his staffers’ names in those reports “one of the big stories of our time,” telling The New York Times that he believed she broke the law. One anonymous congressional intelligence source who spoke to CNN described Rice’s requests as “normal and appropriate” for an official tasked with overseeing foreign governments, while another source told CNN there was “absolutely” nothing alarming in the intelligence reports. Rice told MSNBC that she was carrying out routine duties in making the requests, and did so to understand the “context” or “importance of the report.” “The notion that some people are trying to suggest, is that by asking for the identity of a person is leaking it, is unequivocally false,” she said. “There is no connection between unmasking and leaking.” National security experts who have worked on foreign surveillance cases have backed up Rice’s explanation. Nunes last week abruptly stepped aside, temporarily, from his committee’s investigation into Russian interference in the presidential election over complaints that he disclosed classified information when he first brought these intelligence reports to public attention. The House Committee on Ethics is investigating the allegations, first brought by progressive watchdog groups, which Nunes dismissed as “entirely false and politically motivated.” Source | ||
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LegalLord
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1. Officials in the US all say completely different things and Russia wants to know where the fuck the US actually stands. 2. Tillerson was criticized for trying to deal with Russia through ultimatums. 3. Tillerson pretty much didn't meet with anyone else afterwards, including reporters. Honestly I have to say that Tillerson probably got off easy out of respect for past cooperation. Meetings after aggressive rhetoric are seldom particularly kind. | ||
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Plansix
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TheTenthDoc
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On April 13 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/852153553493864452 Notice Trump never takes responsibility for anything but congratulates himself anyway. Also unmanned missiles... Clearly he just watched Dr. Strangelove. New version: Doctor Trumplove, or how Trump stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb. | ||
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LightSpectra
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On April 13 2017 01:34 TheTenthDoc wrote: Clearly he just watched Dr. Strangelove. New version: Doctor Trumplove, or how Trump stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb. Considering the state of North Korea right now, that's really not very funny. | ||
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Plansix
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Plansix
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Yurie
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On April 13 2017 01:52 Plansix wrote: Remember no matter how terrifying things seem, the cold war was a time when people were aware they would never receive warning of the nukes coming. The same is still true. The possibility seems less than it used to be but the weapons are still there and there are still no good countermeasures. It isn't as bad as during the Cuban Missile Crisis when both sides military leadership promoted striking first. Same was true during the Korean war as well, though it ended up settling into what we still see right now. Low intensity conflicts, proxy wars and no fighting outside the war zone of whatever country was effected. Still happening right now, just that we (as citizens) and the major powers know how they should conduct themselves to avoid escalating things too near the edge of triggering a pre-emptive strike. | ||
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