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brian
United States9644 Posts
guess he's on the train of knowing better than to take anything Trump says at face value. learning the hard way. i'd like to see him uncomfortably walk that one back himself. one day we'll have a compilation video of all the faces of this administrations efforts being thrown under the bus by their boss's disregard for the truth or following through on his promises and threats. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
is it likely to be today? or is it going to be some time? | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
I mean there are lots if things that dont make sense when you compare them to a proper democracy in us politics but this is new to me. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:44 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: Can someone explain to me how orange monkey can just give his family important jobs in the gov? I mean you arent a 3rd world dictatorship or monarchy right? Arent there laws against that? I mean there are lots if things that dont make sense when you compare them to a proper democracy in us politics but this is new to me. The general assumption is that the democratic process itself is the check against this because surely the people wouldn't vote for him. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:44 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: Can someone explain to me how orange monkey can just give his family important jobs in the gov? I mean you arent a 3rd world dictatorship or monarchy right? Arent there laws against that? I mean there are lots if things that dont make sense when you compare them to a proper democracy in us politics but this is new to me. Nah, it's not technically illegal, it's just that every president who preceded him knew better. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:44 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: Can someone explain to me how orange monkey can just give his family important jobs in the gov? I mean you arent a 3rd world dictatorship or monarchy right? Arent there laws against that? I mean there are lots if things that dont make sense when you compare them to a proper democracy in us politics but this is new to me. there are some anti-nepotism laws, but they have limits. some of them got around it by not taking a paid position, or by not taking official high level positions like cabinet posts. instead of having any real statutory or ex officio authority, their authority only exists because trump listens to them and will back their choices. also, because a lot of people just aren't caring enough about it. i'm sure if a stink was really raised something would be done, but the republicans are being extremely tolerant of the nepotism/corruption, and the dems aren't complaining all that vociferously about it either. this is far from a complete or full explanation, just what I remember offhand. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8223 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I think the house of cards writers are just having sad email conversations about how their next season can never top the Trump saga Fantastic opportunity to turn the whole thing into a sour comedy. Now Underwood is a complete idiot with no understanding of basic facts, surrounded by completely incompetent goons who mess up everytime they open their mouth and elected by a bunch of angry internet trolls. Luckily that's only a fiction. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:11 LightSpectra wrote: Racists don't stop being racist because other racists have decided to vote for them. But yeah, you happen to be right that it's an "empty threat" insofar that it doesn't really convince Republicans to not vote for them. That being said, it's really not a badge of honor like you make it out to be. I say this without exaggeration: Jeff Sessions is the most evil and dangerous person affiliated with Trump, and that's really saying something. There are no informed people who think Sessions deciding to "review" police departments is going to result in anything but more unarmed people being shot in the back without repercussion. If that's the stakes of your engagement I'll give mine. Jeff Sessions is one of th brightest lights in the Trump administration, and a decent and honest man. I could think of few better to undo the despicable leadership of Holder and Lynch who politicized the department beyond belief. There are few criticisms I've seen leveled at the man that haven't subsisted on lies, twisted half-truths, and the most bitter hyperpartisanship as has persisted in the post-Clinton years. You've welcomed identity politics and benefited from false accusations of racism, so I say you deserve another dozen Trump administrations that push white & working class identity politics and cause chaos in the executive branch. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:50 Nevuk wrote: There'll probably be a whole barrel of laws to prevent anyone else from doing Trump's less ethical actions after Trump leaves office. Or while he's in office if there's a democratic congress, but I expect either party to do it after he leaves. I've heard many whispers of a burgeoning government reform movement taking hold at the grassroots level, so the hope is that it gets big enough to start pushing onto the parties and force some kind of change. I highly doubt that anyone, save for Sanders and his kin maybe, would consider anything sweeping given how polarized everything is. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:51 farvacola wrote: I've heard many whispers of a burgeoning government reform movement taking hold at the grassroots level, so the hope is that it gets big enough to start pushing onto the parties and force some kind of change. perhaps, but reform movements often lack focus, or the foresight and understanding to actually make sound changes, so their reliability is iffy. especially ones that come from the bottom up, as they rely on popular udnerstanding of things, which is in general very poor. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
As part of its shift in emphasis, the Justice Department went to court on Monday to seek a 90-day delay in a consent decree to overhaul Baltimore’s embattled Police Department. That request came just days before a hearing, scheduled for Thursday in the United States District Court in Baltimore, to solicit public comment on the agreement, which was reached in principle by the city and the Justice Department in the waning days of the Obama administration. Such a bizarre administration. Going after things that feel more like some kinda evil list. Internet privacy, net neutrality, END police reform, wtf. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:27 On_Slaught wrote: Looks like healthcare is back on the Republicans plate. We may be getting new bill text as early as today. Initial stuff I've seen is mostly an attack on cost sharing. Creating ways, like waivers for states\insurances, to increase costs on the sick. Also, in general to lower premiums but increase deductibles and copays. Can't wait to see how they fuck this one up. Low premium, high deductible/copay insurance. Giving you the illusion of safety while still financially ruining your life if something happens. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:54 farvacola wrote: The point is to connect the movement with an apparatus for change (i.e. the parties, ballot initiatives), and whether or not that happens appropriately is what makes the difference when it comes to broad changes of the status quo. if the pressure comes bottom up though, will that pressure lead to constructive change? well, it's something ot hope for at least. but with most people also being partisan hacks, and far too unwise to know stuff, and to know who to listen to, it's not that promising. ballot initiatives tend to be a bad idea really. in practice they're often an unsound way of changing things, and they lead to a lot of dumb laws. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 04 2017 23:50 Danglars wrote: If that's the stakes of your engagement I'll give mine. Jeff Sessions is one of th brightest lights in the Trump administration, and a decent and honest man. I could think of few better to undo the despicable leadership of Holder and Lynch who politicized the department beyond belief. There are few criticisms I've seen leveled at the man that haven't subsisted on lies, twisted half-truths, and the most bitter hyperpartisanship as has persisted in the post-Clinton years. You've welcomed identity politics and benefited from false accusations of racism, so I say you deserve another dozen Trump administrations that push white & working class identity politics and cause chaos in the executive branch. Out of curiousity do you think that cannabis is as bad as Sessions says it is or do you recognize it as the continuation of Nixon's Southern Strategy war on drugs associated with minorities? | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On April 04 2017 19:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump doesn't realize that the candidates were allowed to practice and do research ahead of time... No wonder he just winged it and never made any sense; maybe he thought that was the rule? Trump really thinks she was sat down by news reporters and told to say "Hillary good; Trump bad"? CNN outsourced their town Hall questions to Roland Martin. Martin then presumably sent the questions to Donna Brazile. Brazile then forwarded the questions to Podesta. From there it is safe to assume that Podesta gave them to Clinton. The result was that Clinton new CNN's town hall questions before CNN did. In another case Brazile got her hands on questions that supposedly only the questioner and Anderson Cooper's producer knew about. Again she forwarded them to Clinton. I assume that CNN fed Clinton questions prior to her debate with Trump. If they were willing to feed her questions when she faced Sanders why not feed her questions when she faced Trump. After giving Clinton the debate questions in two debates, Brazile was made president of the DNC. She maintained that post for several months after all of this came to light. Brazile recently expressed regret. At no point has Clinton acknowledged that she received the debate questions or apologized for any of this. She tried to undermine American democracy by cheating in a debate and all we hear from her is crickets. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On April 05 2017 00:00 KwarK wrote: Out of curiousity do you think that cannabis is as bad as Sessions says it is or do you recognize it as the continuation of Nixon's Southern Strategy war on drugs associated with minorities? Sessions tends to only not appear racist to people who have racist tendencies themselves I've noticed. Cops are out here regularly violating PoC's constitutional rights, and sessions wants to "review" the slightest thing the government was able to accomplish to stop them. No one thinks he's going to be tougher on police who habitually violate black people's rights, but no, nothing racist about ignoring the habitual violation of black people's constitutional rights. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46691 Posts
On April 05 2017 00:15 meadbert wrote: CNN outsourced their town Hall questions to Roland Martin. Martin then presumably sent the questions to Donna Brazile. Brazile then forwarded the questions to Podesta. From there it is safe to assume that Podesta gave them to Clinton. The result was that Clinton new CNN's town hall questions before CNN did. In another case Brazile got her hands on questions that supposedly only the questioner and Anderson Cooper's producer knew about. Again she forwarded them to Clinton. I assume that CNN fed Clinton questions prior to her debate with Trump. If they were willing to feed her questions when she faced Sanders why not feed her questions when she faced Trump. After giving Clinton the debate questions in two debates, Brazile was made president of the DNC. She maintained that post for several months after all of this came to light. Brazile recently expressed regret. At no point has Clinton acknowledged that she received the debate questions or apologized for any of this. She tried to undermine American democracy by cheating in a debate and all we hear from her is crickets. I think you may have misread Trump's tweet. Even if all of that is true, there's no evidence she was told "the answers" any more than every candidate is coached and practiced. Also, in terms of fallout, Brazile was fired from CNN as a result of an early draft/ idea of the questions being leaked from her: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/donna-brazile-wikileaks-cnn.html?_r=0 And on top of that, just to clarify your topic (which wasn't the original topic): "It's worth noting that the previews Clinton got didn't directly match the questions, so she didn't get hugely valuable information, but there was at least an effort." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/31/hacked-emails-suggest-trump-was-right-after-all-clinton-got-previews-of-some-debate-questions/?utm_term=.03d6b35a9711 But no, I don't think Hillary formally apologized for that screw-up... again, not that we were talking about that... | ||
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