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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:40 xDaunt wrote: Race relations indisputably worsened during Obama's presidency, which is a shame given his unique opportunity to really do some good. Huh, I wonder why racism would get worse after a black president was elected. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:43 WolfintheSheep wrote: Huh, I wonder why racism would get worse after a black president was elected. A white majority country elected a black president, why should the relations not improve? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
offhand I don't know, have you tried seriously googling? I tried a quick googling, and lots of lists aren't popping up, which is unusual, normally a google reveals tons of top10 lists and such, regardless of how severe they are, but it's barely even coming up with any lists at all, and what it does have keeps focusing only on very recent events, despite journalism having hundreds of years of history. and remember, worst is a very high stnadard, and nothing you've shown comes close to the level of something truly terrible (even if I were to believe the factual assertions you made, many of which have issues of their own). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:40 xDaunt wrote: Race relations indisputably worsened during Obama's presidency, which is a shame given his unique opportunity to really do some good. I think blaming Obama is ignoring a lot of other factors. Cell phones capturing video any time, anywhere, did a lot too. BLM was basically created because of all the black/police videos. Resentment towards "others" and "foreigners" started bubbling up because of coal and other technologies fading away. There are so many other things that contributed to racial friction. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3525 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:40 xDaunt wrote: Race relations indisputably worsened during Obama's presidency, which is a shame given his unique opportunity to really do some good. Much of the inflamed racial tensions during the Obama administration was out of his control. He did some fantastic things like the Beer Summit. Maybe one could argue that he could've done more to ease tensions during the George Zimmerman trial and the Freddie Gray riots and the Ferguson unrest. I think Obama did admirably on this issue, and I say that as a fierce Obama critic that has little good to say about him. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:39 LightSpectra wrote: Three hurrahs for consequentialist militarism. It's true that there were some open racists that repented and strived to fight against racism. That being said, it doesn't sound like Jeff Sessions ever repented of his racism; if anything he's emboldened on it. Japan would have seized those islands during the Spanish civil war and no one would have done anything giving them a much better position when they had the advantage after pearl but who knows I guess. I don't see where you get that he's emboldened on racism his stances were proven true statistical on crime and he doesn't have the background to apreceiate the impact it has on black families. It's not like pot legalization efforts have been well thought out until they got the bent for it to replace opioid medications. The idea that states can ignore federal law in respect to their own laws isn't exactly a gray legal issue either. The feds have sucsessful raids against "legal" dispenceries in California and other places for selling illegal drugs other then pot. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:45 TMG26 wrote: A white majority country elected a black president, why should the relations not improve? Primarily because many racists thought it absolved the country/themselves of any responsibility to address the serious and ongoing problems surrounding racism. Looked something like this: Thinking person: "Racism is still a serious issue" Racist Person: "We have a black President!, black AG!, Black etc... quit dredging up old issues!" | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3525 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:51 Sermokala wrote: Japan would have seized those islands during the Spanish civil war and no one would have done anything giving them a much better position when they had the advantage after pearl but who knows I guess. Then another trio of hurrahs for consequentialist militarism. I don't see where you get that he's emboldened on racism his stances were proven true statistical on crime In what regard? Not sure what you're referring to here, but the general approach Sessions has on crime (maximum penalties for the most trivial of crimes) is 100% wrong. Most civilized countries have realized that addiction is a brain disease and not a moral failure, so they spend more time, money and effort on rehabilitation than on deterrence and it works. Of course Sessions doesn't agree with them, he has his hands deep into the pockets of the private prison industry, and also Big Pharma that makes a lot of money off of drug prohibition. I'm going to ignore the completely idiotic justification you gave for raids on legal dispensaries. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:40 xDaunt wrote: Race relations indisputably worsened during Obama's presidency, which is a shame given his unique opportunity to really do some good. I mean other people also had unique opportunities to improve race relations like the police departments which were systematically violating the rights of minorities. If they'd stopped that would have helped. And Obama tried to help improve race relations by asking them to stop. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:49 Mohdoo wrote: I think blaming Obama is ignoring a lot of other factors. Cell phones capturing video any time, anywhere, did a lot too. BLM was basically created because of all the black/police videos. Resentment towards "others" and "foreigners" started bubbling up because of coal and other technologies fading away. There are so many other things that contributed to racial friction. How about blaming democrats (including Obama) and the liberal media for shit like the Zimmerman fiasco? | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On April 05 2017 01:40 xDaunt wrote: Race relations indisputably worsened during Obama's presidency, which is a shame given his unique opportunity to really do some good. Race relations specifically changed as a result of his election. the perceived representation and voice that the communities of color found, after having a president and others they could identify with, gave many folks the courage to speak up. Not to mention the change in dynamics of information dissemination as mentioned by others. Race relations didn't get worse, people just didn't get to ignore it anymore because minorities stopped "suffering in silence". | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On April 05 2017 02:03 xDaunt wrote: How about blaming democrats (including Obama) and the liberal media for shit like the Zimmerman fiasco? Obama stayed out of the whole situation up until the very end. And he caught alot of flack from the African American community because he didn't jump on the case. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3525 Posts
On April 05 2017 02:03 xDaunt wrote: How about blaming democrats (including Obama) and the liberal media for shit like the Zimmerman fiasco? I agree it would be advantageous for us all if the conservative media devoted a proportional amount of time to the things responsible for killing the most Americans, like the deregulated capitalist automotive industry and social Darwinist healthcare system. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On April 05 2017 02:03 xDaunt wrote: How about blaming democrats (including Obama) and the liberal media for shit like the Zimmerman fiasco? Let's say we did that, who do we blame for the decades (centuries really) of abuse and denial of minorities constitutional rights across the country? Then which do you see having a more deleterious impact on the state of racial relations in the US? (Baldwin caveat) | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 05 2017 02:09 GreenHorizons wrote: Let's say we did that, who do we blame for the decades of abuse and denial of minorities constitutional rights across the country? Then which do you see having a more deleterious impact on the state of racial relations in the US? (Baldwin caveat) All of the past bad history was baked into the cake when Obama was elected in November 2008, thus it cannot be attributed to the worsening of relations during Obama's presidency. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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