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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2017 03:07 GMT
#142721
He's done it before. So who knows?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 17 2017 03:15 GMT
#142722
On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.

On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 03:19:20
March 17 2017 03:18 GMT
#142723
On March 17 2017 12:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
It makes sense that the right is trying to kill PBS it's clearly left wing propaganda. see exhibit A

+ Show Spoiler +


also is it possible for Elmo to give congressional testimony? Because that would be awesome.

"Elmo says please don't cut our funding."



That was Grover though, not Elmo. Fake news!
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11519 Posts
March 17 2017 03:19 GMT
#142724
On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.



I don't think Trump is willing to invest his own money into something silly like public opinion. After all, he could buy a golden toilet with that money instead. On the other hand, he seems to have no problem with the idea of using the office of the president to get more money for himself.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2017 03:31 GMT
#142725
Remember the day when a POTUS allowed a foreign agent top security clearance:

Retired Gen. Michael Flynn was paid $11,250 by Russia's top cybersecurity firm, Kaspersky, in 2015, according to new documents obtained and published by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on Thursday. Flynn was also paid $11,250 by the Russian charter cargo airline Volga-Dnepr Airlines, according to the documents.

Flynn was paid for his work with both companies while he still had top-secret-level security clearance, a year after he was fired as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, The Wall Street Journal's Shane Harris reported.

Kaspersky said in a statement provided to Business Insider that the company had "paid Gen. Flynn a speaker fee for remarks at the 2015 Government Cybersecurity Forum in Washington, DC."

Another keynote speaker, Rep. Michael McCaul, was not paid by Kaspersky to speak at the event, his representative confirmed to Business Insider on Thursday. Kaspersky said that was because Flynn was a member of a speakers bureau that required a speaking fee, whereas McCaul was not.

Chris Haddad, another keynote speaker at the forum, told Business Insider he can't remember if Kaspersky paid him to speak at the event.

Flynn — who was forced to resign as national security adviser in early February after he misled Vice President Mike Pence about his phone calls with the Russian ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak — was also paid $33,750 to speak at a gala celebrating the 10th anniversary of Russia's state-sponsored news agency, Russia Today, in December 2015.

The oversight committee received the documents earlier this month from Flynn's speakers bureau, Leading Authorities, after requesting information from the bureau relating to Flynn's speaking engagements or appearances "in connection with RT, any agent or affiliate of RT, or any agent or instrumentality of the Russian government."

Leading Authorities redacted information about Flynn's other speaking engagements in 2015 that were presumably not connected to Russia.

The oversight committee had previously called on the Defense Department to investigate whether Flynn had run afoul of the US Constitution by being paid to speak at the RT gala. The lawmakers pointed to a report released in January by the US intelligence community concluding that RT, as part of Russia's "state-run propaganda machine," served as "a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences."

The conclusion was in the community's report about Russia's attempt to influence the US election.

Flynn told The Washington Post last year that he had been paid to speak at the gala, but he would not disclose the amount. He also did not disclose the paid work he had done for Kaspersky and Volga-Dnepr Airlines, which transports military aircraft, in the summer of 2015.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 03:32:50
March 17 2017 03:32 GMT
#142726
On March 17 2017 12:18 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 12:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
It makes sense that the right is trying to kill PBS it's clearly left wing propaganda. see exhibit A

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/RaTMdOeZzVo


also is it possible for Elmo to give congressional testimony? Because that would be awesome.

"Elmo says please don't cut our funding."



That was Grover though, not Elmo. Fake news!


If grover tried to testify it would turn into him saying "I did not have sexual relations with that chicken." and nobody would win.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 03:34:40
March 17 2017 03:34 GMT
#142727
On March 17 2017 12:19 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.



I don't think Trump is willing to invest his own money into something silly like public opinion. After all, he could buy a golden toilet with that money instead. On the other hand, he seems to have no problem with the idea of using the office of the president to get more money for himself.


I always figured that someone willing to go through the unbelievable strain of running for president would be much more motivated by power and ego than the prospect of making a little more money, but yeah, Trump's behaviour so far does seem to indicate otherwise.

The billionaire desperate to make an extra buck is a hard figure to understand for a broke student.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 03:41:21
March 17 2017 03:39 GMT
#142728
On March 17 2017 12:34 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 12:19 Simberto wrote:
On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.



I don't think Trump is willing to invest his own money into something silly like public opinion. After all, he could buy a golden toilet with that money instead. On the other hand, he seems to have no problem with the idea of using the office of the president to get more money for himself.


I always figured that someone willing to go through the unbelievable strain of running for president would be much more motivated by power and ego than the prospect of making a little more money, but yeah, Trump's behaviour so far does seem to indicate otherwise.

The billionaire desperate to make an extra buck is a hard figure to understand for a broke student.

It's not difficult to understand. Just as StarCraft players who are at the top of their game will continue to look for ways to (ab)use the game engine in (legitimate) ways to improve their game, so do people everywhere look to abuse the game of life to improve their standing in it.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 03:43:46
March 17 2017 03:43 GMT
#142729


This seems bad. Like super bad. Like if I was South Korea, I would be shitting myself bad.

Maybe we should have had qualified people in charge of this. Like people who know what the fuck they are doing?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 17 2017 03:51 GMT
#142730
On March 17 2017 12:39 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 12:34 Orome wrote:
On March 17 2017 12:19 Simberto wrote:
On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.



I don't think Trump is willing to invest his own money into something silly like public opinion. After all, he could buy a golden toilet with that money instead. On the other hand, he seems to have no problem with the idea of using the office of the president to get more money for himself.


I always figured that someone willing to go through the unbelievable strain of running for president would be much more motivated by power and ego than the prospect of making a little more money, but yeah, Trump's behaviour so far does seem to indicate otherwise.

The billionaire desperate to make an extra buck is a hard figure to understand for a broke student.

It's not difficult to understand. Just as StarCraft players who are at the top of their game will continue to look for ways to (ab)use the game engine in (legitimate) ways to improve their game, so do people everywhere look to abuse the game of life to improve their standing in it.


My biggest consolation then is that at least I don't have to look at the world and my part in it in this way.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
March 17 2017 03:52 GMT
#142731
I'll wait. NK says provocative things a lot. need to see what the new approach is
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
March 17 2017 04:15 GMT
#142732
On March 17 2017 12:43 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/842567198740824065

This seems bad. Like super bad. Like if I was South Korea, I would be shitting myself bad.

Maybe we should have had qualified people in charge of this. Like people who know what the fuck they are doing?


Truly, this isn't the kind of discourse you want to use if you want to deescalate the situation. This is the discourse you use to try to garner public support for starting a war.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 04:20:29
March 17 2017 04:17 GMT
#142733
somebodies in trouble. He should use the milo said it was fine defense.

An Oklahoma lawmaker was hit with a child prostitution charge Thursday after he was caught in a motel room with a teenage boy.

State Sen. Ralph Shortey was charged a day after the Oklahoma Senate — by a vote of 43 to 0 — passed a resolution that suspended nearly all his privileges.

Shortey is charged with engaging in child prostitution, engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church, and transporting a minor for prostitution/lewdness, according to the Cleveland County District Attorney's office.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ralph-shortey-oklahoma-lawmaker-hit-child-prostitution-charges-n734376

I'm confused is prostitution legal in Oklahoma? because if not that seems like a bizarre thing to have as a law. "yes it's illegal but we're going to make it more illegal if you happen to be anywhere near a church."
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 17 2017 04:22 GMT
#142734
On March 17 2017 13:17 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
somebodies in trouble. He should use the milo said it was fine defense.

Show nested quote +
An Oklahoma lawmaker was hit with a child prostitution charge Thursday after he was caught in a motel room with a teenage boy.

State Sen. Ralph Shortey was charged a day after the Oklahoma Senate — by a vote of 43 to 0 — passed a resolution that suspended nearly all his privileges.

Shortey is charged with engaging in child prostitution, engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church, and transporting a minor for prostitution/lewdness, according to the Cleveland County District Attorney's office.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ralph-shortey-oklahoma-lawmaker-hit-child-prostitution-charges-n734376

I'm confused is prostitution legal in Oklahoma? because if not that seems like a bizarre thing to have as a law. "yes it's illegal but we're going to make it more illegal if you happen to be anywhere near a church."


I'm fascinated by the dark irony.
On track to MA1950A.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
March 17 2017 04:24 GMT
#142735
On March 17 2017 12:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
It makes sense that the right is trying to kill PBS it's clearly left wing propaganda. see exhibit A

https://youtu.be/RaTMdOeZzVo

also is it possible for Elmo to give congressional testimony? Because that would be awesome.

"Elmo says please don't cut our funding."


Not to mention that most Republicans surely aren't accepting of Bert and Ernie's casually homosexual lifestyle...
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44375 Posts
March 17 2017 04:30 GMT
#142736
On March 17 2017 13:17 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
somebodies in trouble. He should use the milo said it was fine defense.

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An Oklahoma lawmaker was hit with a child prostitution charge Thursday after he was caught in a motel room with a teenage boy.

State Sen. Ralph Shortey was charged a day after the Oklahoma Senate — by a vote of 43 to 0 — passed a resolution that suspended nearly all his privileges.

Shortey is charged with engaging in child prostitution, engaging in prostitution within 1,000 feet of a church, and transporting a minor for prostitution/lewdness, according to the Cleveland County District Attorney's office.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ralph-shortey-oklahoma-lawmaker-hit-child-prostitution-charges-n734376

I'm confused is prostitution legal in Oklahoma? because if not that seems like a bizarre thing to have as a law. "yes it's illegal but we're going to make it more illegal if you happen to be anywhere near a church."


I guess it's like smoking near a school, in the sense that having sexual relations visibly and within a thousand feet of a church will make it more likely for priests to be tempted by altar boys.

Okay I guess it's very different than the whole smoking on school grounds thing. Who knows, really... Oklahomans are pretty religious: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/oklahoma/

They probably don't even support Oklahomosexuality.

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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
March 17 2017 04:38 GMT
#142737
On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:
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On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:
On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:
Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes ))


I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money.


I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that.

I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-).

I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion.

LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly?

3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out).
they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor.
iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was.


They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well.


I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least.



I forgot where I saw this but Trump is apparently the least generous billionaire by far. In that he donates insignificant amounts of money, if at all. Found articles showing he donates a lot of free rounds of golf, for example, or donating land in an obtuse way for tax write-offs. I wouldn't say that he's generous by any means. And while this kind of thing would be nice for his image, he doesn't seem to do what we conventionally call "smart" anyways... ever. And it kind of sets a bad precedent for the president to do something like that, while he's in office.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2017 05:00 GMT
#142738
President Donald Trump’s budget proposal got a rough reception Thursday on Capitol Hill.

“Not our starting point.” “Not something that will fly around here politically.” “Congress will do its own budget.”

And that’s just the Republicans.

In his first budget request to Congress, Trump has proposed adding $54 billion to the Pentagon and the departments of Homeland Security and Energy and cutting an equal amount in domestic funding. That dramatic shift in spending would mean slashing or terminating dozens of federal programs.

Democrats, as expected, blasted the 64-page proposal — known as a “skinny budget” — as radical and cruel, especially for its cuts to programs that support the poor.

Yet it’s clear that the Trump budget would gut programs favored by Republicans as well. And key GOP lawmakers in the House and Senate already are signaling they won’t move forward with Trump’s proposal.

Trump is about to find what other presidents have before him — lawmakers in both parties like to talk about cutting spending and reducing the deficit. But don’t cut their own pet program, or one that would cost them politically. That’s something that won’t do, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.

“I am very concerned that deep cuts to our diplomacy will hurt efforts to combat terrorism, distribute critical humanitarian aid, and promote opportunities for American workers,” said Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, of dramatic reductions in the State Department and foreign aid budgets. “Especially when the United States is fighting ISIS and millions are at risk of starvation around the world.”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who serves on both the Appropriations and Foreign Relations panels, also criticized the cuts to the State Department budget, although he backed other parts of Trump’s proposal.

“I do not support the proposed 28 percent cut to our international affairs budget and diplomatic efforts led by the State Department,” Rubio said in a statement. “These programs are integral to our national security, and cuts at these levels undermine America’s ability to keep our citizens safe.”

The politics of supporting the Trump budget plan, said one top House Republican, are so dangerous that “I don't think we'd get 50 votes for it.”

Rep. Hal Rogers, former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee and still a senior member of the panel, said he plans to make a personal pitch to the White House in support of a long list of programs that have “proved themselves worthy.”

The Kentucky Republican vowed to fight for agencies that help create jobs, such as the Appalachian Regional Commission and the Economic Development Association, as well as grants that focus on community development, all of which the White House has proposed eliminating. Rogers also pointed to infrastructure programs like Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery, or TIGER, grants and another initiative that benefits rural airports.

“Some of the things that a poor district like mine have come to depend upon, I’m obligated to fight for,” Rogers said. “Those are the areas that need help the most.”

Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — who was a House member until a couple weeks ago — told reporters the White House was anticipating blowback within the GOP.


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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 17 2017 05:01 GMT
#142739
On March 17 2017 12:52 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'll wait. NK says provocative things a lot. need to see what the new approach is

If I had a nickel for every time someone said it's escalating during Bush years, Obama years, Trump years...
I'll wait for real US-Russia and US-China news. NK and their petty tyrant do things like this all the time.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 06:11:32
March 17 2017 05:32 GMT
#142740
On March 17 2017 12:43 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/842567198740824065

This seems bad. Like super bad. Like if I was South Korea, I would be shitting myself bad.

Maybe we should have had qualified people in charge of this. Like people who know what the fuck they are doing?

If it's any comfort, any U.S. military action there would 100% need the backing of SK. I think SK at least shoud have the best idea of what the right response would be.
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