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On March 17 2017 12:51 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 12:39 a_flayer wrote:On March 17 2017 12:34 Orome wrote:On March 17 2017 12:19 Simberto wrote:On March 17 2017 12:15 Orome wrote:On March 17 2017 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 17 2017 11:15 zlefin wrote:On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote:On March 17 2017 09:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 17 2017 09:31 dankobanana wrote:Meals on wheels is obviously a job killer. As you said, it keeps the elderly from nursing homes  )) I wouldn't be surprised if that silliness was actually an argument the White House makes lol. They also talk about saving the American taxpayer money, which has no context attached to it. Meals on Wheels costs the White House $3 million. There are over 240 million American adults. If each American adult can contribute 13 cents, that's more than enough to save millions of elderly Americans' lives. The amount of tax a person pays on ONE two-dollar cheeseburger is this much money. I mean.. Okay. Now don't get me wrong, i like to harp on stupidity of trump or americans cheering for him. This here is not the case, it's an honest try to get one of those people to try and explain objectively, why $3 millions for a good cause have to be cut, but military spending has to be upped by more than 150 times that. I actually didn't know it was only $3 million, i assumed it was around a couple of billions maybe (naive, but the hell do i know what meals on wheels costs - i'm around 20 years away from needing it -.-). I honestly can't get it in my head how somebody looks at this (not just liberals, ANY sane person) and thinks "finally, they get rid of that shit". Even more pathetic that it actually can be suggested without repercussion. LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly? 3 million is clearly not the actual number. that'd only be a small part of their overall budget (and from waht I can see, most meals on wheels are locally incorporated, with their being a national body that helps distribute/manage/even stuff out). they also probably rely a lot on free volunteer labor. iirc I asked them once long ago when I was doing research and their costs came to around $9/meal (in an area where everything is kidna pricey). though that was just some answer from a local gorup that I asked, dunno how carefully looked at it was. They should leave it alone. Or heck, I think an awesome power play- if Trump was smart- would be for Trump to say that he's removing the $3 million burden from all American taxpayers and deciding to single-handedly donate $3 million of his own money, with no strings attached, to Meals on Wheels. That'd be a pretty awesome thing to do, although that may slippery slope into him being asked to donate to other charities and foundations as well. I'm also surprised Trump's not leveraging his wealth/doing more publicity stunts at all. I expected the 'Trump makes deal with company to keep X jobs in the US' deals to continue at the very least. I don't think Trump is willing to invest his own money into something silly like public opinion. After all, he could buy a golden toilet with that money instead. On the other hand, he seems to have no problem with the idea of using the office of the president to get more money for himself. I always figured that someone willing to go through the unbelievable strain of running for president would be much more motivated by power and ego than the prospect of making a little more money, but yeah, Trump's behaviour so far does seem to indicate otherwise. The billionaire desperate to make an extra buck is a hard figure to understand for a broke student. It's not difficult to understand. Just as StarCraft players who are at the top of their game will continue to look for ways to (ab)use the game engine in (legitimate) ways to improve their game, so do people everywhere look to abuse the game of life to improve their standing in it. My biggest consolation then is that at least I don't have to look at the world and my part in it in this way. We just need a good patch to solve the bugs that are being abused.
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On March 17 2017 11:06 m4ini wrote: LL, you were russian or something, no? How does russia handle their elderly? Not sure what to say here because there really isn't much to tell. It's basically just the same way as everyone else: pensions, social programs, housing assistance, healthcare, etc. Frankly the most interesting part about it is the economics side (that the price controls on the ruble that were abandoned during sanctions were implemented in part to keep pensions stable). As with every other country the money is tough to pay out but the elderly folk really want it.
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On March 17 2017 11:43 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 09:23 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 09:20 IyMoon wrote:On March 17 2017 09:11 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 08:51 Doodsmack wrote:The ranking member of the House intelligence committee says it appears President Trump revealed classified information during a Fox News interview on Wednesday while refusing to disclose evidence that former President Barack Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower.
In the interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, Trump said that the Central Intelligence Agency had been hacked during Obama’s tenure.
“I just want people to know, the CIA was hacked,” Trump said. “That was during the Obama years. That was not during us.” Yahoo He probably was referring to the Wikileaks matter. Which is public knowledge. The problem with Trump is we don't know if he's leaking classified information or his media viewing habits. It is public knowledge that Wikileaks released info that it SAID was from the CIA. If it is or isnt, is/ WAS classified until trump blurted it out. Look up every single time Spicer is asked if the leaks are from the CIA. "It is policy not to confirm or deny leaks" (Or something like that) While he didn't leak it, because the act of a president saying something declassifies information. He still did confirm that it is information from the CIA. It was already all but confirmed. And Trump more likely than not only found out from the media. Was it public knowledge that the CIA was hacked during the Obama years? I would like to note that hacking and leaking are two different things and this seems to be the latter.
And while the confirmation isn't official that the CIA stuff is real... well important people have acted in ways that basically confirm that the stuff comes from the CIA. Trump offers no new insight and I genuinely wonder if he's even told about all that classified stuff he's apparently not supposed to leak.
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On March 17 2017 16:46 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 11:43 Doodsmack wrote:On March 17 2017 09:23 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 09:20 IyMoon wrote:On March 17 2017 09:11 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 08:51 Doodsmack wrote:The ranking member of the House intelligence committee says it appears President Trump revealed classified information during a Fox News interview on Wednesday while refusing to disclose evidence that former President Barack Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower.
In the interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, Trump said that the Central Intelligence Agency had been hacked during Obama’s tenure.
“I just want people to know, the CIA was hacked,” Trump said. “That was during the Obama years. That was not during us.” Yahoo He probably was referring to the Wikileaks matter. Which is public knowledge. The problem with Trump is we don't know if he's leaking classified information or his media viewing habits. It is public knowledge that Wikileaks released info that it SAID was from the CIA. If it is or isnt, is/ WAS classified until trump blurted it out. Look up every single time Spicer is asked if the leaks are from the CIA. "It is policy not to confirm or deny leaks" (Or something like that) While he didn't leak it, because the act of a president saying something declassifies information. He still did confirm that it is information from the CIA. It was already all but confirmed. And Trump more likely than not only found out from the media. Was it public knowledge that the CIA was hacked during the Obama years? I would like to note that hacking and leaking are two different things and this seems to be the latter. And while the confirmation isn't official that the CIA stuff is real... well important people have acted in ways that basically confirm that the stuff comes from the CIA. Trump offers no new insight and I genuinely wonder if he's even told about all that classified stuff he's apparently not supposed to leak. Well basically in any civilized country, cutting benefits and stuff for the elderly is pretty frowned upon. Pretty much everybody who can vote will have family members in that age bracket, and to be quite honest, either you can have a government sponsored standard of care, or you can leave it up to individual families to take care of parents(not the preferred option by far for most people)
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Reminder how shitty a year Uber is having and how California directs the country despite what the South has to say.
Autonomous vehicles are already a common sight on the streets of Silicon Valley, an international hub for self-driving technology. But this month, California set the stage for the next phase of innovation that could dramatically alter transportation and mobility across the globe. The state has proposed regulations to allow fully autonomous vehicles to drive on public roads – meaning empty cars with no steering wheels and no backup driver inside.
The new rules are a game-changer for the nascent industry, opening the doors to a host of complex questions about legality, ethics and safety. The regulations, which could go into effect this year, pave the road for a deployment that could revolutionize modern society.
“This is like the smartphone transition times ten as far as the potential to change our existence on the planet,” said Karl Brauer, senior analyst with Kelley Blue Book, an automotive research company. “There’s a sense of almost panic and certainly a frantic pace that all these industries are going through to try to position themselves in this new world.”
The race to dominate the market is rapidly accelerating in California, where major technology corporations, traditional automakers and artificial intelligence startups are engaged in aggressive competition. In an industry that could be worth $26bn by 2025, with potentially millions of vehicles on the road in just a few years, there’s a lot at stake.
California recently overtook the UK to become the fifth largest economy in the world, and there are a total of 27 companies that now have permits to test autonomous cars on the road, though current rules require a human behind the wheel. With a total of 180 vehicles approved for operation, there are already six times as many vehicles permitted on public streets here compared to 2014 – and probably more than the rest of the US combined.
“The technology itself will perform a lot better than we perform now as humans,” said Bernard Soriano, deputy director of the Department of Motor Vehicles. “We needed to provide a clear path to completely driverless vehicles, because of the safety benefits.”
Waymo is Google’s recently renamed self-driving car operation. Seated in the passenger seat of a Waymo on a sunny afternoon in Mountain View, Jaime Waydo, head of systems engineering, recited a string of alarming statistics – 1.2m people die on the road each year, equivalent to a 747 plane falling out of the sky every hour. In 94% of the cases, the cause is human error.
“It’ll be life changing once we get this technology,” she said, after the push of a button in the car prompted a voice inside to declare “auto driving”, leading the car to maneuver itself out of the Google parking lot.
The Waymo cars depend on a Lidar system, which are the “eyes” of the cars that allow them to detect a small object two football fields away as well as pedestrians, vehicles and other objects all around them.
In a move that has dramatically intensified the contest to corner the market, Waymo recently sued Uber, accusing the San Francisco-based taxi startup of a “calculated theft” of its trade secrets, and alleging that former Google employees brought the proprietary Lidar tech to Uber. The case could be disastrous for Uber, which has stated that autonomous vehicles are critical to the company’s future and now faces an injunction request from Google to block its self-driving program.
The lawsuit is moving forward just as Uber has received a permit to test its autonomous vehicles in San Francisco. The company rolled out a pilot program without obtaining permits last year, later canceling it under threat of legal action and after its vehicles were caught running red lights and making dangerous moves in bike lanes.
Uber declined to provide a demo for the Guardian and did not respond to requests for comment.
In yet another indication of how fierce the competition has become, chip-maker Intel also recently announced the $15.3bn purchase of Mobileye, a firm that manufactures cameras and sensors for autonomous cars.
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Frankly, I love seeing Uber squirm and I wish them nothing but misfortune. That said, when its cheaper than Lyft and I desperately need a ride.....
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On March 17 2017 19:58 farvacola wrote:Frankly, I love seeing Uber squirm and I wish them nothing but misfortune. That said, when its cheaper than Lyft and I desperately need a ride..... 
Same here. I've still don't have the app installed. Uber distills everything that made me leave the valley 10 years ago into one festering, dick-swinging pile. I hope they rot.
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Many in Texas are keeping a close eye on the Republican bid to replace the Affordable Care Act. One of the big changes is how it would affect low-income people, seniors, and people with disabilities who get help from Medicaid. And people on both sides of the political spectrum say the Lone Star State is not going to fare well.
As the GOP bill, the American Health Care Act, works its way through Congress, Anne Dunkelberg with the left-leaning Center for Public Policy Priorities in Austin says she's a little stumped.
"I have worked on Medicaid and uninsured and health care access issues in Texas for well over 20 years," she chuckles. She says this bill leaves the fate of some current funding streams unclear and there's one pot of money she's particularly concerned about. Texas has struck deals with the federal government to help reimburse hospitals for the cost of caring for people who don't have insurance. And Texas has more uninsured residents than any other state.
"About half of what Texas hospitals get from Medicaid today comes through payments that are outside from the regular Medicaid program," she says, which adds up to $4 billion in federal funds every year.
But even if Texas gets to keep all that money, there's another whammy — the GOP plan caps how much money states get for Medicaid from the federal government for every person they cover. It's called a per-capita cap, and the payments under that formula would start in 2020, but would be based on how much the state spends this year.
Adriana Kohler with Texans Care for Children, an advocacy group based in Austin, says Texas already leaves too many people without care.
"Last legislative session there were cuts to pediatric therapies for kids with disabilities enrolled in Medicaid," she says. The cuts caused some providers to shut their doors, which left some children without services, she says. "That's why these cuts coming down from the ACA repeal bill are very concerning to us."
She says in Texas, children, pregnant women, seniors, and people with disabilities will bear the brunt of any belt-tightening. These populations make up 96 percent of people on Medicaid in Texas. That's why Dunkelberg says the program as is should not be the baseline for years to come.
"They could lock Texas into a lot of historical decisions that were strictly driven by a desire to write the smallest budget possible," she says.
Some on the right agree Texas is getting a raw deal. Doctor Deane Waldman with the right-leaning Texas Public Policy Foundation says there are things he likes in the bill. But in general he says, "It's bad deal for Texas. It's a bad deal for the American people."
He says it was the right thing for Texas not to expand Medicaid, but this bill punishes Texas for it. Under the GOP bill, states that expanded Medicaid would get more money. And because the Republican bill leaves the door open for states to expand Medicaid before 2020, he thinks more states will do that to get in on the deal.
"It's going to be a huge rush — an inducement to drag in as many people as they can drag in, because the more they can drag in, the more federal dollars they can get," he says.
That, in turn, will make Medicaid spending skyrocket, he says. But if Texas still refuses to expand, it will have to share a pot of $10 billion over five years with other non-expansion states, per the GOP bill. And that would be just a drop in a bucket for a state as big as Texas.
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On March 17 2017 16:46 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 11:43 Doodsmack wrote:On March 17 2017 09:23 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 09:20 IyMoon wrote:On March 17 2017 09:11 LegalLord wrote:On March 17 2017 08:51 Doodsmack wrote:The ranking member of the House intelligence committee says it appears President Trump revealed classified information during a Fox News interview on Wednesday while refusing to disclose evidence that former President Barack Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower.
In the interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, Trump said that the Central Intelligence Agency had been hacked during Obama’s tenure.
“I just want people to know, the CIA was hacked,” Trump said. “That was during the Obama years. That was not during us.” Yahoo He probably was referring to the Wikileaks matter. Which is public knowledge. The problem with Trump is we don't know if he's leaking classified information or his media viewing habits. It is public knowledge that Wikileaks released info that it SAID was from the CIA. If it is or isnt, is/ WAS classified until trump blurted it out. Look up every single time Spicer is asked if the leaks are from the CIA. "It is policy not to confirm or deny leaks" (Or something like that) While he didn't leak it, because the act of a president saying something declassifies information. He still did confirm that it is information from the CIA. It was already all but confirmed. And Trump more likely than not only found out from the media. Was it public knowledge that the CIA was hacked during the Obama years? I would like to note that hacking and leaking are two different things and this seems to be the latter. And while the confirmation isn't official that the CIA stuff is real... well important people have acted in ways that basically confirm that the stuff comes from the CIA. Trump offers no new insight and I genuinely wonder if he's even told about all that classified stuff he's apparently not supposed to leak.
As you said, the "Vault 7" release of the CIA hacking tools wasn't a result of the CIA being hacked, it was a leak. The question is whether Trump doesn't understand the difference, or he's referring to a completely separate event. Right now it's not clear. Considering Vault 7 was all over the news, I'd wager on the former.
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Just wondering about something: would it be possible for Congress to pass a law that restricts the president's capability to do a first-strike (nuclear or otherwise) on North Korea?
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I think they should pass a law that bans him from twitter. Or at least it needs to go through some sort of (even completely non-independent) review panel before being published.. I only look at his twitter for comical value but sometimes it hits me that he is one of the most powerful people in the world with borderline tourette sydrome
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On March 17 2017 22:11 MyTHicaL wrote: I think they should pass a law that bans him from twitter. Or at least it needs to go through some sort of (even completely non-independent) review panel before being published.. I only look at his twitter for comical value but sometimes it hits me that he is one of the most powerful people in the world with borderline tourette sydrome Good luck proving the president surrenders his first amendment rights upon assuming the office. You're better off campaigning for deleting tweets violating various federal records act provisions.
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That has nothing to do with First Amendment rights. Okay, sure, it does if we're talking about strictly personal issues like "I would date my daughter", but there are actually LOTS of restrictions on what, when, and where office-holders and businessmen are allowed to say.
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On March 17 2017 22:01 LightSpectra wrote: Just wondering about something: would it be possible for Congress to pass a law that restricts the president's capability to do a first-strike (nuclear or otherwise) on North Korea? Yes. All the presidential powers to use military force without a full declaration of war were given to the president by congress. They can be revoked through the same means. But it would they would need enough support to override a veto.
Also, did the White House accuse the UK of spying on Trump? Because they are apologizing right now, so I assume someone was super stupid.
On March 17 2017 22:19 LightSpectra wrote: That has nothing to do with First Amendment rights. Okay, sure, it does if we're talking about strictly personal issues like "I would date my daughter", but there are actually LOTS of restrictions on what, when, and where office-holders and businessmen are allowed to say. There is very little congress can do to restrict the president’s ability to speak on any medium. Even if they passed a law, it would be practically unenforceable. And that is before all the legal challenges and freedom of expression issues.
They would be better off trying to regulate Twitter’s government accounts, since they are covered by records laws. But that would require a lot of effort to do correctly.
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Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY), who was the first member of Congress to endorse President Donald Trump in the 2016 campaign, said on Thursday night that he does not support the administration's proposal to cut funding for the Meals on Wheels program.
"This is the President's budget, I'm not sure where the details came from. But when we get into appropriations, Meals on Wheels is a wonderful program. It is one I would never vote to cut even one dollar," Collins told CNN's Van Jones.
Trump's budget blueprint release on Thursday eliminates the Community Development Block Grant program, which gives states money for projects like Meals on Wheels, a program that provides food to poor, elderly Americans.
During a press conference on Thursday, Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney defended the cuts and suggested that the program doesn't show "results."
"The CDBGs have been identified as programs since the second Bush administration as ones that were just not showing any results. We can't do that anymore," he said. "We can't spend money on programs just because they sound good. Great, 'Meals on Wheels' sounds great. That's a state decision to fund that particular portion."
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What are your guys thoughts on Salon articles? Ehh, these are the news stories circulating now
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/bannons-dangerous-undermining-nsc
The neutering of the National Security Council by White House adviser Stephen Bannon continues.
Not only has Bannon established a shadow NSC, known as the Strategic Initiatives Group in the White House, but he has also blocked National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster from naming his own staff.
Last week McMaster, a three-star general brought in to replace Gen. Michael Flynn, told Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the NSC's intelligence director, to look for work elsewhere after CIA officials reportedly “expressed reservations about the 30-year-old intelligence operative and pushed for his ouster,” according to Politico.
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/17/bannon-and-trump-have-quietly-installed-an-alt-national-security-council-operating-inside-the-white-house_partner/
Less than a month after much-admired Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster took over from Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser, Trump’s alter-ego Steve Bannon appears to be more in control of U.S. foreign policy than ever.
There is little sign McMaster will be able to restore traditional U.S. foreign policy commitments to NATO and the European Union, and every indication that Bannon’s shadowy Strategic Initiatives Group, denounced by two national security experts as “dangerous hypocrisy,” is driving U.S. policy.
McMaster, a lieutenant general with a reputation as an intellectual, was perhaps the last-gasp hope of Washington’s foreign policy professionals against the radical ambitions of the Trump administration. He was seen as a man who could speak unpopular truths to Trump and block Bannon’s improvisations while restoring a degree of continuity to U.S. foreign policy under Obama and Bush.
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On March 17 2017 22:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: What are your guys thoughts on Salon articles? Like Vice and Mother Jones, completely depends on the author of the article. They work with a reasonable number freelance writers, so their quality is all over the place.
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On March 17 2017 22:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 22:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: What are your guys thoughts on Salon articles? Like Vice and Mother Jones, completely depends on the author of the article. They work with a reasonable number freelance writers, so their quality is all over the place.
What I figured, I included the article anyways.
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The whole story of Spicer accusing British intelligence of something nefarious is Onion worthy, but that's the standard we have in the White House right now.
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On March 17 2017 22:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 22:39 Plansix wrote:On March 17 2017 22:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: What are your guys thoughts on Salon articles? Like Vice and Mother Jones, completely depends on the author of the article. They work with a reasonable number freelance writers, so their quality is all over the place. What I figured, I included the article anyways. Yeah, that article isn’t bad. It is inferring a bit, but at least admits it. It is unnerving how much influence Bannon appears to have behind the scenes. But the all out assault on the state department by Trump’s camp likely has not gone unnoticed in Congress.
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