US Politics Mega-thread - Page 7077

On March 08 2017 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
The problem for the Dems is that they still will have the Obamacare yoke around their necks no replacement bill is passed.

On March 08 2017 11:51 Dan HH wrote:

Not much of a problem at the moment



http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/23/support-for-2010-health-care-law-reaches-new-high/

On March 08 2017 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
The problem for the Dems is that they still will have the Obamacare yoke around their necks no replacement bill is passed.

On March 08 2017 12:14 On_Slaught wrote:
Oh man... if they haven't repealed and replaced by 2018 elections it's going to be a blood bath. Their own constituents will either turn on them or not show up.

On March 08 2017 12:47 Simberto wrote:


They have had 6 years to come up with a replacement. So far, there has been nothing. (Which is incredibly silly and i still can't get over the fact that they managed to get elected on "Obamacare is horrible, we are going to repeal and replace it with something better, but so far we haven't managed to figure out anything close to a good idea of a replacement plan")

Their first attempt to replace is apparently bound to fail completely, because it is horribly bad. They can't even manage to get their own party behind their plan. And i really don't see them coming up with that amazing healthcare plan that totally solves all problems for free that they have been promising over the next two years.

I see four ways that this can go.
-They do nothing and hopefully don't get reelected (I really don't trust the american voters anymore though, so they might still get reelected)
-They replace it with a wonderful republican plan, and suddenly loads of people have no healthcare whatsoever. I hope this leads to them not getting reelected, but once again, see above
-They replace one single small thing somewhere, claim that they totally changed everything and everything stays basically the same. Depending on how good they are at convincing the voters that they did indeed totally change everything, they might get reelected.
-Some random shit happens, and everyone forgets about it for some reason. Or they just blame everything on Obama.

On March 08 2017 12:34 LegalLord wrote:

Its shelf life is limited, that much is true - but it's proven to be difficult to replace effectively.

On March 08 2017 11:25 Danglars wrote:

So why'd he do it? I'm even willing to accept this is reverse psychology support-plan-to-oppose, all the way to Trump overestimating his charm.

On March 08 2017 13:06 zlefin wrote:

so the republican plan then would be to stall and argue, while quietly making sure the thing will fall apart on its own?
that actually makes a great deal of sense.
have a long debate arguing about how to replace it, without getting anywhere, until such time as the uncertainty, plus parts of the law being defunded, unenforced, or somesuch causes the entire system to fail sufficiently that they can scrap it/make a new law without getting blamed for repealing it, by simply claiming their fixing major problems (while omitting that those problems were caused by them in the first place).

they don't have to agree on a replacement then, or actually repeal it, just wait until it implodes on its own and causes a lot of damage on the way. horribly bad governance of course, but that's to be expected.

it's also quite consistent with their prior plans of sabotage the law to make it not work right, then complain that it doesn't work right.

On March 08 2017 13:19 LegalLord wrote:
So this week essentially has four big stories:
1. Immigration ban
2. Russia investigation
3. Wikileaks CIA leak
4. Obamacare replacement

I wonder which will be buried, and which will dominate the news stream in the Trump era news climate. I'd say (1) doesn't draw much attention because it already played out before. (2) seems to have pewtered down for the moment but can resurface at any time. (3) should be big news and it might be, but the drip-drip nature of Wikileaks means we won't know for at least another few days. (4) is basically guaranteed to matter.

On March 08 2017 13:06 zlefin wrote:

so the republican plan then would be to stall and argue, while quietly making sure the thing will fall apart on its own?
that actually makes a great deal of sense.
have a long debate arguing about how to replace it, without getting anywhere, until such time as the uncertainty, plus parts of the law being defunded, unenforced, or somesuch causes the entire system to fail sufficiently that they can scrap it/make a new law without getting blamed for repealing it, by simply claiming their fixing major problems (while omitting that those problems were caused by them in the first place).

they don't have to agree on a replacement then, or actually repeal it, just wait until it implodes on its own and causes a lot of damage on the way. horribly bad governance of course, but that's to be expected.

it's also quite consistent with their prior plans of sabotage the law to make it not work right, then complain that it doesn't work right.