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On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though.
Also it appears that he followed all applicable Indiana laws. Another example of bad headlines being fakenews.
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On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though.
Nah that's ok it was all on aol.
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On March 04 2017 01:35 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though. Also it appears that he followed all applicable Indiana laws. Another example of bad headlines being fakenews.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that some emails were withheld from the public.
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On March 04 2017 00:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Well there we see the uncertainty of which role he's playing when meeting with the ambassador. But I guess we could just take the Trump admin's word for it.
I'll try one more time. He went to Cleveland for the RNC, as a prominent Trump backer. He even gave a speech. While he was there, he went to a Heritage Foundation event (not FP doves either), where he met multiple ambassadors briefly. But he should have used senate funds, because you would like him to be possibly be guilty of something.
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On March 04 2017 01:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though. Nah that's ok it was all on aol.
Long as it wasn't on mail.ru it's all good then.
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On March 04 2017 00:37 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 00:36 Doodsmack wrote:On March 03 2017 15:46 Introvert wrote:On March 03 2017 15:05 Doodsmack wrote:On March 03 2017 14:13 Introvert wrote:On March 03 2017 14:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
But it was totally in his capacity as a senator! uh, of course he used campaign funds to attend the RNC. Why would it be "of course"? He was both a Senator and a campaign member. He has a Senate expense account. Is the RNC official business? I believe he even spoke there at the convention. On March 03 2017 14:16 xDaunt wrote:On March 03 2017 14:13 Introvert wrote:uh, of course he used campaign funds to attend the RNC. Haha, no shit! Can you imagine the headlines if Sessions used US Gov't funds to go to the RNC? "SENATOR SESSIONS PARTIES ON FEDERAL DIME!" #moarfakenews. I would think the RNC could be official business for members of Congress. I would think the RNC could be campaign business for people who are part of Trump's campaign too...
Agreed. So if he was on campaign business, he was surely talking campaign business when meeting the Russian ambassador there, right?
Or was that not really the point you wanted to make?
Clearly there is a lot stuff that needs investigating here, and it's a good thing that Sessions recused himself, because investigating himself would not work too well.
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On March 04 2017 01:40 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:35 Introvert wrote:On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though. Also it appears that he followed all applicable Indiana laws. Another example of bad headlines being fakenews. Sure, if you ignore the fact that some emails were withheld from the public.
The only mention of that I see in the story concerns sensitive emails, which were still archived away according to IN law. According to the article you posted there appears to be nothing of real noteworthiness.
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On March 04 2017 00:53 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 08:12 pmh wrote:On March 03 2017 05:22 KwarK wrote:
The Obamacare problem is that the bits people hate and the bits people love are fundamentally linked. Young healthy people hate being forced to pay more than they should. Unhealthy old people hate being made to pay what they should. Obamacare said "why don't we put them all in the same group and make them all pay the same amount". Trump promised to let the healthy people not pay while keeping the unhealthy people subsidized from somewhere.
The best solution for them would be to keep it pretty much intact and keep blaming Obama for it. But they've spent so much time insisting that they'll repeal it that they've somewhat burned their bridges there. People look at this the wrong way I think. The young and healthy people of today they pay extra,but that extra is not to support the old and unhealthy people of today. It is to support themselves when they are old and not healthy. Its like when I have fire insurance but not a fire. I don't pay for all the people who do have a fire. I pay for the risk that I will have a fire. If you go differentiate healthcare to the bone then you will end up with a system where no one has insurance and everyone just pays for himself. The whole point of the insurance is to collectively share the risk,if you take out the collective part more and more,then it is not really an insurance anymore but more like an individual safings plan. Every part of this is wrong. If you have a 1% risk of a fire worth $100,000 then you pay a $1,000 premium. It's EV neutral. Then if you're lumped in with a guy with a 1% risk of a fire worth $200,000 he pays a $2,000 premium. You're each paying for your own statistical risk. The only collective part of it is that you're using the same broker to make the bet. If you have a 0.1% chance of medical costs worth $10,000 and someone else has a 100% chance of medical costs worth $100,000 then you'll both be charged $50,005 premiums because health insurance isn't insurance. It's a tool for redistributing healthcare costs from the unhealthy to the healthy. It's not insurance because you're not paying for your own risk. The premium and your statistical risk are two completely different and unrelated numbers. That's why the Obamacare mandate exists. Young healthy people must be forced to pay in to support the older less healthy people. If they don't overpay for insurance then other people can't underpay for insurance. You think that what I'm referring to is winners and losers with people who get insurance and it happens being winners and people who buy insurance they don't end up invoking being losers. That's not what I'm talking about at all. Good insurance is EV neutral, the coverage multiplied by the probability equals the premium. Health insurance is not EV neutral. The majority of people pay more for their coverage than they are ever likely to get out so that a minority can pay the same amount for coverage that costs the provider far more than they pay. Health insurance isn't insurance. I know it has insurance in the name but the way it works isn't like actual insurance. No more than if you and your grandpa were both made to buy the same term life insurance policy with a premium set halfway between what it would be for you by yourself and what it'd be for him by himself. Most of your premium wouldn't be funding your life insurance policy, it'd be funding his. Ok I get what you are saying but it still is not the whole story I think. What you say seems to mostly aply to pre existing conditions,not for elderly people. The young people now pay less a year then that they will use a year but once they get old they will use more then they pay,in the end it should be about zero sum so in the end they still don't pay for other people. The only "problem" is pre existing conditions or genetic which increases the expected pay out,i guess for that it is a choice we have to make. Everyone pays a little more so that those people will be covered. That the young people pay for the old people is simply not true if the system stays alive. The young people get old as well and then they will be on the good side. Anyway:trump doing pretty well so far as president,the truth has to be said. No major war broke out yet and wall street is at record levels,so it must be good for the economy.
His point isn't only about currently young people and currently old people.
If you are young now and don't have to pay insurance you would be able to opt out, thus not overpaying, and then ONCE you get older start paying in, getting more out of it than you're paying in. And since you never paid in it when you were young but only got it when you actually needed it it becomes more expensive as they'd have to adjust for that.
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The story about Juan Thomas is pretty crazy. He was arrested for making bomb threats to Jewish community centers in his ex gfs name and was a former journalist for the intercept who was fired for making up stories.
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On March 04 2017 01:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 00:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Well there we see the uncertainty of which role he's playing when meeting with the ambassador. But I guess we could just take the Trump admin's word for it. I'll try one more time. He went to Cleveland for the RNC, as a prominent Trump backer. He even gave a speech. While he was there, he went to a Heritage Foundation event (not FP doves either), where he met multiple ambassadors briefly. But he should have used senate funds, because you would like him to be possibly be guilty of something.
Not saying he necessarily should have used Senate funds, the point is that it shows he can potentially mix his roles as Senator and team Trump member. But the real issue is the unusually high number of contacts between team Trump and Russia. And the fact that Sessions himself admits he should have disclosed more.
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On March 04 2017 01:55 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:43 Introvert wrote:On March 04 2017 00:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Well there we see the uncertainty of which role he's playing when meeting with the ambassador. But I guess we could just take the Trump admin's word for it. I'll try one more time. He went to Cleveland for the RNC, as a prominent Trump backer. He even gave a speech. While he was there, he went to a Heritage Foundation event (not FP doves either), where he met multiple ambassadors briefly. But he should have used senate funds, because you would like him to be possibly be guilty of something. Not saying he necessarily should have used Senate funds, the point is that it shows he can potentially mix his roles as Senator and team Trump member. But the real issue is the unusually high number of contacts between team Trump and Russia. And the fact that Sessions himself admits he should have disclosed more.
Indeed. On its own the Session business is nothing. Without the previous string of suspicions of Russian influence it would be nothing.
But its another point in a long list of suspicious activity and as such is getting a lot more traction then it normally would.
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It's still nothing, he went to a think tank event that had multiple other ambassadors and people in general, one of whom was the Russian ambassador.
We went from mocking about "liberal hysteria" to "ok well this is interesting" so at least we've cooled off a bit.
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On March 04 2017 00:49 farvacola wrote:how familiar...... Show nested quote +MOSCOW — From Russia’s point of view, the turmoil swirling around the Trump administration and its contacts with Russian officials is a “witch hunt” fueled by “fake news” instigated by leading Democrats looking to distract attention from their election defeat and carried out by their lap dogs in the U.S. media.
In other words, Moscow’s reaction pretty much mirrors that of President Trump after Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from any investigations into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election. Sessions made the move after The Washington Post revealed that he twice met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last year while still serving as a senator but did not disclose that during his Senate confirmation hearing in January. Sessions was an early backer of Trump’s bid for the presidency and served as an adviser and surrogate for the campaign.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said Friday that “all this is very much reminiscent of a witch hunt and the McCarthyism era which we all thought was long gone.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on reports that Trump’s son-in-law met with Kislyak in December, agreed with Trump’s use of the phrase “witch hunt,” saying “we have nothing to add to President Trump's exhaustive definition.”
But there’s a fundamental difference in what Russia and Trump are reacting to.
In the United States, the suggestion that Sessions was not forthcoming with the Senate hearing was enough to force him to step aside from potential probes, regardless of what he and Kislyak discussed.
But Moscow has never copped to the accusation by the U.S. intelligence community that it interfered in the election, and it sees any and all questions about Trump’s ties to Russia as symptoms of what it considers rampant Russophobia in America’s establishment. Two prominent daily newspapers, Moskovsky Komsomolets and Nezavisimaya Gazeta, featured commentary that cited anti-Russian hysteria in the United States as a primary source of the drive to oust national security adviser Mike Flynn and force Sessions to recuse himself.
In Washington, Trump’s warm words for Russian President Vladimir Putin, his half-joking call for Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails, and the revelation that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Kislyak before Trump took office have raised concerns that something more sinister is going on. Trump and his administration has resisted accepting the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia was attempting to help him win the election; Sessions in an interview on Fox News Thursday refused to acknowledge that Russia favored Trump over Clinton. Moscow blames anti-Russian hysteria for Sessions’s plight
Its complete hysteria. Talking to a Russian in the US politics today is like treason.
The crime behind talking to an ambassador from Russia!
This is McCarthyism fueled by anger from losing an election to try and find the next witch to hunt and prosecute a crime of talking to a Russian.
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On March 04 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 04 2017 01:26 LegalLord wrote:
Pence email story is old news.
Wonder if he had any classified emails on a server he kept in his bathroom though. Nah that's ok it was all on aol. Long as it wasn't on mail.ru it's all good then.
He CCs everything to VladTheSexyHorsman@kremlin.ru anyway, so it doesn't change anything.
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On March 04 2017 02:23 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 00:49 farvacola wrote:how familiar...... MOSCOW — From Russia’s point of view, the turmoil swirling around the Trump administration and its contacts with Russian officials is a “witch hunt” fueled by “fake news” instigated by leading Democrats looking to distract attention from their election defeat and carried out by their lap dogs in the U.S. media.
In other words, Moscow’s reaction pretty much mirrors that of President Trump after Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from any investigations into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election. Sessions made the move after The Washington Post revealed that he twice met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last year while still serving as a senator but did not disclose that during his Senate confirmation hearing in January. Sessions was an early backer of Trump’s bid for the presidency and served as an adviser and surrogate for the campaign.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said Friday that “all this is very much reminiscent of a witch hunt and the McCarthyism era which we all thought was long gone.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on reports that Trump’s son-in-law met with Kislyak in December, agreed with Trump’s use of the phrase “witch hunt,” saying “we have nothing to add to President Trump's exhaustive definition.”
But there’s a fundamental difference in what Russia and Trump are reacting to.
In the United States, the suggestion that Sessions was not forthcoming with the Senate hearing was enough to force him to step aside from potential probes, regardless of what he and Kislyak discussed.
But Moscow has never copped to the accusation by the U.S. intelligence community that it interfered in the election, and it sees any and all questions about Trump’s ties to Russia as symptoms of what it considers rampant Russophobia in America’s establishment. Two prominent daily newspapers, Moskovsky Komsomolets and Nezavisimaya Gazeta, featured commentary that cited anti-Russian hysteria in the United States as a primary source of the drive to oust national security adviser Mike Flynn and force Sessions to recuse himself.
In Washington, Trump’s warm words for Russian President Vladimir Putin, his half-joking call for Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails, and the revelation that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Kislyak before Trump took office have raised concerns that something more sinister is going on. Trump and his administration has resisted accepting the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia was attempting to help him win the election; Sessions in an interview on Fox News Thursday refused to acknowledge that Russia favored Trump over Clinton. Moscow blames anti-Russian hysteria for Sessions’s plight Its complete hysteria. Talking to a Russian in the US politics today is like treason. The crime behind talking to an ambassador from Russia! This is McCarthyism fueled by anger from losing an election to try and find the next witch to hunt and prosecute a crime of talking to a Russian.
McCarthyism was to a large degree an ideological program against communism, this is simply about Russian interference in US politics.
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On March 04 2017 02:23 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 00:49 farvacola wrote:how familiar...... MOSCOW — From Russia’s point of view, the turmoil swirling around the Trump administration and its contacts with Russian officials is a “witch hunt” fueled by “fake news” instigated by leading Democrats looking to distract attention from their election defeat and carried out by their lap dogs in the U.S. media.
In other words, Moscow’s reaction pretty much mirrors that of President Trump after Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from any investigations into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election. Sessions made the move after The Washington Post revealed that he twice met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last year while still serving as a senator but did not disclose that during his Senate confirmation hearing in January. Sessions was an early backer of Trump’s bid for the presidency and served as an adviser and surrogate for the campaign.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said Friday that “all this is very much reminiscent of a witch hunt and the McCarthyism era which we all thought was long gone.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on reports that Trump’s son-in-law met with Kislyak in December, agreed with Trump’s use of the phrase “witch hunt,” saying “we have nothing to add to President Trump's exhaustive definition.”
But there’s a fundamental difference in what Russia and Trump are reacting to.
In the United States, the suggestion that Sessions was not forthcoming with the Senate hearing was enough to force him to step aside from potential probes, regardless of what he and Kislyak discussed.
But Moscow has never copped to the accusation by the U.S. intelligence community that it interfered in the election, and it sees any and all questions about Trump’s ties to Russia as symptoms of what it considers rampant Russophobia in America’s establishment. Two prominent daily newspapers, Moskovsky Komsomolets and Nezavisimaya Gazeta, featured commentary that cited anti-Russian hysteria in the United States as a primary source of the drive to oust national security adviser Mike Flynn and force Sessions to recuse himself.
In Washington, Trump’s warm words for Russian President Vladimir Putin, his half-joking call for Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails, and the revelation that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Kislyak before Trump took office have raised concerns that something more sinister is going on. Trump and his administration has resisted accepting the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia was attempting to help him win the election; Sessions in an interview on Fox News Thursday refused to acknowledge that Russia favored Trump over Clinton. Moscow blames anti-Russian hysteria for Sessions’s plight Its complete hysteria. Talking to a Russian in the US politics today is like treason. The crime behind talking to an ambassador from Russia! This is McCarthyism fueled by anger from losing an election to try and find the next witch to hunt and prosecute a crime of talking to a Russian.
No one cares if people talk to Russians. It is the ongoing trend of failing to be forthcoming about doing so when asked.
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On March 04 2017 01:55 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:43 Introvert wrote:On March 04 2017 00:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Well there we see the uncertainty of which role he's playing when meeting with the ambassador. But I guess we could just take the Trump admin's word for it. I'll try one more time. He went to Cleveland for the RNC, as a prominent Trump backer. He even gave a speech. While he was there, he went to a Heritage Foundation event (not FP doves either), where he met multiple ambassadors briefly. But he should have used senate funds, because you would like him to be possibly be guilty of something. Not saying he necessarily should have used Senate funds, the point is that it shows he can potentially mix his roles as Senator and team Trump member. But the real issue is the unusually high number of contacts between team Trump and Russia. And the fact that Sessions himself admits he should have disclosed more.
Which contacts between team Trump and Russia are worrisome?
Flynn talking to ambassador National Security Advisor?
Kushner talking to ambassadors during the transition? He is the unofficial backdoor liason for foreign countries around the world trying to get a message to Trump directly.
Sessions talking to an ambassador in his office with other military personel?
Whats everyone going crazy over again?
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On March 04 2017 02:33 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 01:55 Doodsmack wrote:On March 04 2017 01:43 Introvert wrote:On March 04 2017 00:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Well there we see the uncertainty of which role he's playing when meeting with the ambassador. But I guess we could just take the Trump admin's word for it. I'll try one more time. He went to Cleveland for the RNC, as a prominent Trump backer. He even gave a speech. While he was there, he went to a Heritage Foundation event (not FP doves either), where he met multiple ambassadors briefly. But he should have used senate funds, because you would like him to be possibly be guilty of something. Not saying he necessarily should have used Senate funds, the point is that it shows he can potentially mix his roles as Senator and team Trump member. But the real issue is the unusually high number of contacts between team Trump and Russia. And the fact that Sessions himself admits he should have disclosed more. Which contacts between team Trump and Russia are worrisome? Flynn talking to ambassador National Security Advisor? Kushner talking to ambassadors during the transition? He is the unofficial backdoor liason for foreign countries around the world trying to get a message to Trump directly. Sessions talking to an ambassador in his office with other military personel? Whats everyone going crazy over again?
We don't know. If we could see Trump's tax returns and have a better understanding of his business and long term relationship to Russia, it would be easier to say.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On March 04 2017 02:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 02:23 Tien wrote:On March 04 2017 00:49 farvacola wrote:how familiar...... MOSCOW — From Russia’s point of view, the turmoil swirling around the Trump administration and its contacts with Russian officials is a “witch hunt” fueled by “fake news” instigated by leading Democrats looking to distract attention from their election defeat and carried out by their lap dogs in the U.S. media.
In other words, Moscow’s reaction pretty much mirrors that of President Trump after Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from any investigations into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election. Sessions made the move after The Washington Post revealed that he twice met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last year while still serving as a senator but did not disclose that during his Senate confirmation hearing in January. Sessions was an early backer of Trump’s bid for the presidency and served as an adviser and surrogate for the campaign.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said Friday that “all this is very much reminiscent of a witch hunt and the McCarthyism era which we all thought was long gone.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on reports that Trump’s son-in-law met with Kislyak in December, agreed with Trump’s use of the phrase “witch hunt,” saying “we have nothing to add to President Trump's exhaustive definition.”
But there’s a fundamental difference in what Russia and Trump are reacting to.
In the United States, the suggestion that Sessions was not forthcoming with the Senate hearing was enough to force him to step aside from potential probes, regardless of what he and Kislyak discussed.
But Moscow has never copped to the accusation by the U.S. intelligence community that it interfered in the election, and it sees any and all questions about Trump’s ties to Russia as symptoms of what it considers rampant Russophobia in America’s establishment. Two prominent daily newspapers, Moskovsky Komsomolets and Nezavisimaya Gazeta, featured commentary that cited anti-Russian hysteria in the United States as a primary source of the drive to oust national security adviser Mike Flynn and force Sessions to recuse himself.
In Washington, Trump’s warm words for Russian President Vladimir Putin, his half-joking call for Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails, and the revelation that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Kislyak before Trump took office have raised concerns that something more sinister is going on. Trump and his administration has resisted accepting the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia was attempting to help him win the election; Sessions in an interview on Fox News Thursday refused to acknowledge that Russia favored Trump over Clinton. Moscow blames anti-Russian hysteria for Sessions’s plight Its complete hysteria. Talking to a Russian in the US politics today is like treason. The crime behind talking to an ambassador from Russia! This is McCarthyism fueled by anger from losing an election to try and find the next witch to hunt and prosecute a crime of talking to a Russian. No one cares if people talk to Russians. It is the ongoing trend of failing to be forthcoming about doing so when asked.
Then why did Senator Claire McCaskill lie about how she never met a Russian ambassador in 10 years? Why wasn't she forthcoming?
Maybe its because in this political climate, acknowledging that you talk to a Russian turns into a witch hunt and you are called a traitor.
Its like Hillary Clinton's emails divided by 100. A big bruhahaha over eventually nothing.
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On March 04 2017 02:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 02:23 Tien wrote:On March 04 2017 00:49 farvacola wrote:how familiar...... MOSCOW — From Russia’s point of view, the turmoil swirling around the Trump administration and its contacts with Russian officials is a “witch hunt” fueled by “fake news” instigated by leading Democrats looking to distract attention from their election defeat and carried out by their lap dogs in the U.S. media.
In other words, Moscow’s reaction pretty much mirrors that of President Trump after Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from any investigations into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election. Sessions made the move after The Washington Post revealed that he twice met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last year while still serving as a senator but did not disclose that during his Senate confirmation hearing in January. Sessions was an early backer of Trump’s bid for the presidency and served as an adviser and surrogate for the campaign.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said Friday that “all this is very much reminiscent of a witch hunt and the McCarthyism era which we all thought was long gone.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on reports that Trump’s son-in-law met with Kislyak in December, agreed with Trump’s use of the phrase “witch hunt,” saying “we have nothing to add to President Trump's exhaustive definition.”
But there’s a fundamental difference in what Russia and Trump are reacting to.
In the United States, the suggestion that Sessions was not forthcoming with the Senate hearing was enough to force him to step aside from potential probes, regardless of what he and Kislyak discussed.
But Moscow has never copped to the accusation by the U.S. intelligence community that it interfered in the election, and it sees any and all questions about Trump’s ties to Russia as symptoms of what it considers rampant Russophobia in America’s establishment. Two prominent daily newspapers, Moskovsky Komsomolets and Nezavisimaya Gazeta, featured commentary that cited anti-Russian hysteria in the United States as a primary source of the drive to oust national security adviser Mike Flynn and force Sessions to recuse himself.
In Washington, Trump’s warm words for Russian President Vladimir Putin, his half-joking call for Russia to hack into Hillary Clinton’s emails, and the revelation that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Kislyak before Trump took office have raised concerns that something more sinister is going on. Trump and his administration has resisted accepting the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia was attempting to help him win the election; Sessions in an interview on Fox News Thursday refused to acknowledge that Russia favored Trump over Clinton. Moscow blames anti-Russian hysteria for Sessions’s plight Its complete hysteria. Talking to a Russian in the US politics today is like treason. The crime behind talking to an ambassador from Russia! This is McCarthyism fueled by anger from losing an election to try and find the next witch to hunt and prosecute a crime of talking to a Russian. No one cares if people talk to Russians. It is the ongoing trend of failing to be forthcoming about doing so when asked.
Well it matters a little when you consider:
1. Russia hacked the election.
2. They did it to Trumps benefit.
3. There are more Russian ties to individuals in this campaign\administration than any in recent memory (probably ever).
4. This administration has gone out of its way to be friendly to Russia (see Chrimea addition to RNC platform or Trumps lawyer trying to get sanctions removed)
5. Multiple representatives have been coy\lied about their meetings with Russian officials.
If you are someone who can look at those facts and not conclude that at the very least an investigation is warranted then YOU are the problem people are talking about when they mention hyperpartisanship getting out of control.
Oh yeah this doesn't even include the big unknowns like Trump's business dealings in Russia, which he refuses reveal.
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