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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 22 2017 01:49 GMT
#138821
On February 22 2017 10:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 10:01 Nemireck wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:48 Danglars wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:11 Doodsmack wrote:
He will still be around but it's undoubtedly a blow to him, and one he deserved, considering what he did to Leslie Jones and others.

He hardly even trolled her. Like, you could've done a better shitpost than Milo. Teases her spelling and grammar, victimhood peddling ...

You're better off staying on the age of consent laws being too hot to discuss. --Obligatory "it's 2017" and people are still throwing fits about mean things being said to them on the internet.


lol, because it's "middle class" white folks who are the real victims in America, or so everyone wants us to believe.


I mean, middle class anything are more victims than a black, millionaire celebrity.

So what exactly are you trying to say here?


Nothing more than I have very little sympathy for anyone who has already escaped being a member of the "middle class" in America.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 22 2017 01:57 GMT
#138822
I wonder if Trump will leave office early but not due to impeachment or scandal but because he just doesn't like it and becomes bored with it.
Never Knows Best.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 22 2017 02:03 GMT
#138823
On February 22 2017 09:13 On_Slaught wrote:
Bestseller? Lol what non fan is going to buy "that Pedophile guy's book"?


eh, he'll release it on amazon for $5 and a bunch of people will buy copies so it can temporarily be top of the hot new releases list.
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 22 2017 02:06 GMT
#138824
On February 22 2017 11:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 09:13 On_Slaught wrote:
Bestseller? Lol what non fan is going to buy "that Pedophile guy's book"?


eh, he'll release it on amazon for $5 and a bunch of people will buy copies so it can temporarily be top of the hot new releases list.


What does it take to be a "bestseller" these days anyway? A few hundred thousand copies?

it'll do that in its first week, and after its first month on shelves it'll disappear, never to be seen again.

Dude has a pretty loyal and hardcore fanbase, a high percentage will purchase the book as some sort of "fuck you" to the "establishment" and everyone else will ignore it.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 22 2017 02:07 GMT
#138825
Doesn't S&S hold publishing rights to the book? He'd have to buy it from them.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 02:10:38
February 22 2017 02:08 GMT
#138826
On February 22 2017 08:56 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 08:38 Mohdoo wrote:
Yeah, that's lights out for Milo. In that video, he is clearly making a distinction regarding why his position is somehow sensible. He throws in bits of "humor", but his conclusion is pretty well laid out. We'll see how many places still want to have him visit as a speaker. CPAC, book deal and Breitbart is too much for him to come back from. His idea of reaching a broad audience is dead.

I'd be very surprised if this was the end for Milo. He's a creature of his own creation with his own massive following. He's not dependent upon Breitbart or any other media platform. He's going to get his book out, and it's going to be a bestseller. Milo's free speech message is too important and too alluring for him to simply fade away. This is only the beginning for him.



I cant see him coming back. Off course he will keep a group of people that will follow him but I don't think anyone will give him a platform other then himself with a website or something.Maybe he can write a book and get it published,but a bestseller it wont be. pretty much what nemireck said above.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 02:09 GMT
#138827
On February 22 2017 09:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 04:44 LegalLord wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if people here supported a military coup to depose Trump. For a lot of folks, their hatred of Trump burns brighter than a thousand suns.

That seems contrary to your assertion of people being in the "status quo is just fine" camp, seeing as a military coup is an even bigger break from the status quo than gritting your teeth and waiting out 4 years of Trump.

At the very least, I doubt the people who would support a military coup and the people who were okay with 4 more years of the same are the same people.

Status quo is finished. Trump being elected means there is no status quo no more. Now the name of the game is "defeat Trump no matter the cost."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 22 2017 02:11 GMT
#138828
On February 22 2017 10:57 Slaughter wrote:
I wonder if Trump will leave office early but not due to impeachment or scandal but because he just doesn't like it and becomes bored with it.

I don't think he will. He thrives on attention and if he's ever feeling down he'll just hold some more pep rallies or rant on twitter and get everyone talking about him again. In a couple years when, or if, the negativity really starts getting to him, he'll have another campaign to run and more rallies to hold. I think we're in this for the long haul.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2017 02:24 GMT
#138829
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 06:41:56
February 22 2017 02:33 GMT
#138830
A crowd full of old white people in Iowa, probably more of those liberal activists.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 22 2017 02:43 GMT
#138831
town hall fora don't sound fun. it sounds like being in a customer service department; you're there to listen to a whole bunch of people rant and complain (setting aside the issue of validity of complaints). and that kind of work is very annoying to deal with. and some people are gonna rant no matter the quality of the answer.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 02:43:35
February 22 2017 02:43 GMT
#138832
On February 22 2017 11:09 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 09:20 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2017 04:44 LegalLord wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if people here supported a military coup to depose Trump. For a lot of folks, their hatred of Trump burns brighter than a thousand suns.

That seems contrary to your assertion of people being in the "status quo is just fine" camp, seeing as a military coup is an even bigger break from the status quo than gritting your teeth and waiting out 4 years of Trump.

At the very least, I doubt the people who would support a military coup and the people who were okay with 4 more years of the same are the same people.

Status quo is finished. Trump being elected means there is no status quo no more. Now the name of the game is "defeat Trump no matter the cost."

Are you going to advance some evidence for your initial assertion, or is this just bait for a useless non-discussion?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 02:46 GMT
#138833
LL is pure bait lord.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 03:02:47
February 22 2017 02:56 GMT
#138834
On February 22 2017 09:48 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 09:11 Doodsmack wrote:
He will still be around but it's undoubtedly a blow to him, and one he deserved, considering what he did to Leslie Jones and others.

He hardly even trolled her. Like, you could've done a better shitpost than Milo. Teases her spelling and grammar, victimhood peddling ...

You're better off staying on the age of consent laws being too hot to discuss. --Obligatory "it's 2017" and people are still throwing fits about mean things being said to them on the internet.


Yeah calling her a black dude is just spelling and grammar. Not to mention unleashing his troll army on her. Which we all know he knowingly did.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2017 03:53 GMT
#138835
With security at the U.S.-Mexico border at the center of a seething controversy, the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court seemed torn at oral arguments on Tuesday — torn between their sense of justice and legal rules that until now have protected U.S. Border Patrol agents from liability in cross-border shootings.

In the summer of 2010, 15-year-old Sergio Hernández and his friends were playing chicken, daring each other to run up to the border fence between Juárez, Mexico, and El Paso, Texas. Border Patrol Agent Jesus Mesa Jr. arrived on the scene and grabbed one of the kids, while others ran past him, crossing the invisible border into Mexico and hiding behind a railroad trestle. Cellphone videos show Sergio peeking out from his hiding place, as agent Mesa points his gun and fires three shots, killing the unarmed boy 60 feet away.

After an investigation by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Mesa was neither prosecuted nor disciplined. Mexico charged him with murder, but the U.S. refused to extradite him. So the dead boy's parents sued agent Mesa for damages, claiming that he had acted in violation of the U.S. Constitution by killing their son.

On the steps of the Supreme Court Tuesday, agent Mesa's lawyer, Randolph Ortega, said the Constitution does not extend across the Mexican border.

"Borders are real and finite, and borders determine where the primacy of one country ends and the other begins," Ortega said.

Bob Hilliard, the lawyer representing Hernández's family, countered that the roughly 44,000 Border Patrol agents are domestic law enforcement officers who should be constrained by the Constitution.

"Right now, while they're in the United States, their boots never leave the country, and it's the government's position that the Constitution turns off like a light switch at the border, and they are unconstrained by our U.S. Constitution," said Hilliard.

Inside the Supreme Court chamber, Hilliard had some difficulty selling his counterargument to the court's four conservative justices.

"How do you analyze the case of a drone strike in Iraq where the plane is piloted from Nevada?" Chief Justice John Roberts asked. Could the family of those who are killed or injured sue for damages?

Hilliard fumbled, until Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg observed dryly that under the argument Hilliard had put forth in his brief, neither military nor intelligence personnel could be sued.

Justice Stephen Breyer commented that Hilliard has "a very sympathetic case," but he added that the court has to write an opinion that doesn't cause confusion and doesn't affect drone strikes and the like.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, potentially the deciding vote in the case, held his fire until about halfway through Hilliard's argument. And then he let loose.

"[T]his is one of most sensitive areas of foreign affairs where the political branches should discuss with Mexico what the solution ought to be," he said. Kennedy added, "It seems to me this is an extraordinary case for us to use in expanding damage suits against federal law enforcement agents when we have not done so since 1988."

Lawyer Hilliard replied that "there is no alternative remedy for the family." There have been 283 cross-border shootings, Hilliard said, despite the government's stated policy barring a Border Patrol agent from using deadly force if there is no imminent peril.

"If we assume the officer was completely at fault, there should be some relief, but that's up to the executive and legislative branches" to craft some sort of compensation, Kennedy replied.

Lawyer Hilliard shot back that that would mean the largest law enforcement group in the country would be, for all practical purposes, immune to punishment for its actions.


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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 04:06:50
February 22 2017 04:06 GMT
#138836
So could a private citizen just set up on the border and start sniping into Mexico with no repercussions from U.S. law? Or the opposite, with a Mexican gunman just plinking away at U.S. agents with no legal repercussions? That seems absolutely absurd to me.

Or is this a case where they're seeking punishment in addition to what the U.S. is already doing to punish the guy?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 22 2017 04:15 GMT
#138837
On February 22 2017 13:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So could a private citizen just set up on the border and start sniping into Mexico with no repercussions from U.S. law? Or the opposite, with a Mexican gunman just plinking away at U.S. agents with no legal repercussions? That seems absolutely absurd to me.

Or is this a case where they're seeking punishment in addition to what the U.S. is already doing to punish the guy?

from above
"After an investigation by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Mesa was neither prosecuted nor disciplined. Mexico charged him with murder, but the U.S. refused to extradite him. So the dead boy's parents sued agent Mesa for damages, claiming that he had acted in violation of the U.S. Constitution by killing their son."

so it looks like they're just trying to get some sort of punishment at all.
I'd guess the US might extradite a regular citizen; the US tends to refuse to extradite soldiers/government agents under any circumstance.

the issue does seem rather absurd; it feels like one of those cases where the courts may have to do something irregular because other branches of government failed to do their job properly.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 22 2017 04:47 GMT
#138838
Or an even weirder example, could an American should another American citizen across the border without any repercussions? This seems absurd.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 22 2017 04:54 GMT
#138839
On February 22 2017 13:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Or an even weirder example, could an American should another American citizen across the border without any repercussions? This seems absurd.

i'm guessing an american citizen in that case would be charged criminally; though I cannot be sure.
america tends to severely undercharge/fail to charge it's officers when they kill people.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 05:04 GMT
#138840
If the dude's bullet exited his gun on the American side of the border, I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be only looking at what happened after the bullet crossed the border. If I'm reading this right and I was the victim's lawyer, I would be screaming that loud and clear.
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