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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 14:05 GMT
#138861
On February 22 2017 22:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Donald Trump’s claims his team had no contact with Russian authorities during the presidential election campaign have been cast into doubt after Kremlin officials admitted they had been in touch with members of his staff.

The US President has repeatedly denied his team were in contact with representatives of the Russian state during a campaign in which Moscow is accused of using cyber attacks to try to influence the election outcome.

“I have nothing to do with Russia”, Mr Trump said during a White House press conference last week. “To the best of my knowledge, no person that I deal with does.”

“How many times do I have to answer this question? Russia is a ruse. I have nothing to do with Russia.”

That claim, which has been repeated several times by different members of Mr Trump’s team, appears to contradict statements made by senior Russian officials.

Two days after Mr Trump’s election victory, the Russian deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, said his government had been in touch with Mr Trump’s advisers during the campaign.

“I cannot say that all, but a number of them maintained contacts with Russian representatives”, Mr Ryabkov told the Interfax news agency. Mr Trump’s team immediately denied the claims.

Then, earlier this month, the Russian ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, said he had been in frequent contact during the election campaign with Michael Flynn, a senior adviser to Mr Trump who was appointed as the President’s national security adviser before being forced to resign last week over his links to Russia.

Ms Kislyak told media he had exchanged text messages with Mr Flynn during the campaign and had spoken to him on the phone and in person, according to the Washington Post.

“It’s something all diplomats do”, he said.

In response, Sarah Sanders, a White House spokeswoman, said: “This is a non-story because to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place, so it’s hard to make a comment on something that never happened.”

The New York Times reported earlier this month that transcripts from conversations intercepted by US agencies revealed contact between Russian officials and a number of unnamed members of Mr Trump’s top team.

It is not unusual for foreign governments to make contact with US presidential candidates in the hope of building relationships and gaining influence with the next occupier of the Oval Office.

What is unusual in Mr Trump’s case is that, at the time conversations are said to have taken place, Russia was being investigated by US security services over suspicions it was involved in hacking Democratic National Committee computers in an attempt to influence the election outcome.

Officials later concluded with “high confidence” that Russia had indeed been behind the hacks.

Mr Trump’s repeated denials of contact between his team and Russia add an extra element of intrigue to a mystery that continues to deepen.


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Nothing to see here folks...we should make nothing of team Trump's denials!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 14:12 GMT
#138862
On February 22 2017 23:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I thought we were supposed to trust the Russians about the dossier, Donald. Now they're telling us lies and fabricating things? What am I supposed to believe?

On a happy note, Flynn's purging seems to have awarded us a sane national security adviser who isn't borderline delusional with a history of odd international lobbying and being fired for being a screwup.

That man seems hand picked to stand up to Bannon and his crew. I wonder who pushed to have him placed in the job.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 14:28:05
February 22 2017 14:14 GMT
#138863
On February 22 2017 18:50 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 15:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 22 2017 11:09 LegalLord wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:20 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2017 04:44 LegalLord wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if people here supported a military coup to depose Trump. For a lot of folks, their hatred of Trump burns brighter than a thousand suns.

That seems contrary to your assertion of people being in the "status quo is just fine" camp, seeing as a military coup is an even bigger break from the status quo than gritting your teeth and waiting out 4 years of Trump.

At the very least, I doubt the people who would support a military coup and the people who were okay with 4 more years of the same are the same people.

Status quo is finished. Trump being elected means there is no status quo no more. Now the name of the game is "defeat Trump no matter the cost."

Jesus Christ, for how long are you gonna parrot the same narrative? It's so boring.

Trump is a New York billionaire who will favour his class at the expense of everyone else. That's pretty much a statu quo. The fact he is fucking clueless about foreign policy and will fuck up decades of diplomacy and alliance by blundering away key partnerships is the only thing that makes him "break the statu quo".

Obama tried to get you guys a healthcare, impose progressive taxation and reverse a system made for billionaires and corporations, with mixed success. That's over, back to square one.


The US all ready has one of the most progressive taxation systems in the OECD. If you don't believe me you can look it up yourself with a simple google search. ...hey, alternative facts though...

High state sales taxes which are regressive and Trump ran on abolishing wealth transfer taxes and cutting taxes on the rich significantly while raising the bottom bracket from 10 to 15. The facts of having actually read his tax plan support the claim that he's opposed to progressive taxation.

That said Alaskan workers seized the means of production some time ago with great success. Their annual oil dividend to every resident is probably one of the best examples of working UBI.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 14:23 GMT
#138864
On February 22 2017 16:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 15:58 LegalLord wrote:
On February 22 2017 15:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 22 2017 11:09 LegalLord wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:20 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2017 04:44 LegalLord wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if people here supported a military coup to depose Trump. For a lot of folks, their hatred of Trump burns brighter than a thousand suns.

That seems contrary to your assertion of people being in the "status quo is just fine" camp, seeing as a military coup is an even bigger break from the status quo than gritting your teeth and waiting out 4 years of Trump.

At the very least, I doubt the people who would support a military coup and the people who were okay with 4 more years of the same are the same people.

Status quo is finished. Trump being elected means there is no status quo no more. Now the name of the game is "defeat Trump no matter the cost."

Jesus Christ, for how long are you gonna parrot the same narrative? It's so boring.

Trump is a New York billionaire who will favour his class at the expense of everyone else. That's pretty much a statu quo. The fact he is fucking clueless about foreign policy and will fuck up decades of diplomacy and alliance by blundering away key partnerships is the only thing that makes him "break the statu quo".

Obama tried to get you guys a healthcare, impose progressive taxation and reverse a system made for billionaires and corporations, with mixed success. That's over, back to square one.

Sucks, but, what can you do? At least he'll make the US look like a shitshow to every foreign country that's watching and paying attention.

Which is basically a return to the Bush era, with the addition of the tackiness, the compulsive lies and the abysmal incompetence of basically everyone around him.

How exciting. Now, that's a great break from the status quo: ok, the POTUS still tries to pull a reverse Robin Hood, but now he is an orange bufoon that shits in golden toilets. Oh and instead of being a messianic ideologue, he is a blundering idiot who thinks Merkel is more dangerous than Putin.

Fucking great.

Sounds like an adventure and a half. Hopefully we'll get a few European sycophants off our case too. Those tiny countries who think it's the US's job to take care of their military (and subsidize the local economy to boot) are getting really annoying lately.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2017 14:44 GMT
#138865
So Trump Co. is going to attempt to make Mexico our penal colony? Quick way to be diplomatically isolated.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 14:47 GMT
#138866
Our jails are full. Where else can they go? If they aren't paying for the wall then we will simply have to extract money out of them by other means.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 14:52:03
February 22 2017 14:50 GMT
#138867
lmao classic legal

"We have a problem, what can we do? Oh well, hand it over to Mexico, they owe us so much because we host so many of them illegaly here."
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 15:12:42
February 22 2017 14:57 GMT
#138868
I cannot even begin to talk about how beyond stupid this plan is. Lets piss off our closest neighbor and then act real shocked when they don’t give a shit who travels through their country on their way to hurt Americans.

Trump, making America unsafe again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 15:12:52
February 22 2017 15:11 GMT
#138869
On February 22 2017 23:50 Artisreal wrote:
lmao classic legal

"We have a problem, what can we do? Oh well, hand it over to Mexico, they owe us so much because we host so many of them illegaly here."

Maybe we can put the illegals into Mexican prisons? Two birds, one stone. If campaign Trump is to be believed, they have been sending their worst over the border so it shouldn't really be a problem.

It's kind of par for the course at this point.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 22 2017 15:14 GMT
#138870
On February 23 2017 00:11 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 23:50 Artisreal wrote:
lmao classic legal

"We have a problem, what can we do? Oh well, hand it over to Mexico, they owe us so much because we host so many of them illegaly here."

Maybe we can put the illegals into Mexican prisons? Two birds, one stone. If campaign Trump is to be believed, they have been sending their worst over the border so it shouldn't really be a problem.

It's kind of par for the course at this point.

Mexican prison occupancy level = 111,6 %
Seems fair.
passive quaranstream fan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 15:19:33
February 22 2017 15:18 GMT
#138871
And now if you haven’t been in the country for 2 years, they don’t have to go through an immigration judge. Just straight to deportation. No attorney, no hearing. Before it was 14 days. That is just straight up reckless. ICE does not have the best track record for avoiding deporting the wrong people, so lets give them an easy way to remove due process.

Bet it will put up some numbers though, which is all they really care about.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 15:19 GMT
#138872
On February 23 2017 00:14 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 00:11 LegalLord wrote:
On February 22 2017 23:50 Artisreal wrote:
lmao classic legal

"We have a problem, what can we do? Oh well, hand it over to Mexico, they owe us so much because we host so many of them illegaly here."

Maybe we can put the illegals into Mexican prisons? Two birds, one stone. If campaign Trump is to be believed, they have been sending their worst over the border so it shouldn't really be a problem.

It's kind of par for the course at this point.

Mexican prison occupancy level = 111,6 %
Seems fair.

It's either they build more prisons for us or they pay for the wall at this point.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 22 2017 15:29 GMT
#138873
On February 22 2017 23:03 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 22:16 Danglars wrote:
On February 22 2017 10:16 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:48 Danglars wrote:
He hardly even trolled her. Like, you could've done a better shitpost than Milo. Teases her spelling and grammar, victimhood peddling ...

If I or anyone else in this thread did the things Milo did, nobody would care because we're internet nobodies.

If you have fans and followers, it is natural that things you say will be scrutinized and judged to a different standard than if you are an anonymous nobody. That's the price of wanting people to give a shit about what you think.

This was the same even when the internet wasn't around and isn't a product of modern PC culture. What a random nobody says in a public space and what an acknowledged person of some notoriety says are judged very differently by the public.

How will she ever recover? Come on now, you can't seriously believe when a troll becomes famous he must give up being a famous troll because "scrutinized" "judged to a different standard" "that's the price." Yeah, that's the price of people that like giving one set of rules for themselves, and another set of rules for others.

On February 22 2017 11:56 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:48 Danglars wrote:
On February 22 2017 09:11 Doodsmack wrote:
He will still be around but it's undoubtedly a blow to him, and one he deserved, considering what he did to Leslie Jones and others.

He hardly even trolled her. Like, you could've done a better shitpost than Milo. Teases her spelling and grammar, victimhood peddling ...

You're better off staying on the age of consent laws being too hot to discuss. --Obligatory "it's 2017" and people are still throwing fits about mean things being said to them on the internet.


Yeah calling her a black dude is just spelling and grammar. Not to mention unleashing his troll army on her. Which we all know he knowingly did.

Mmhmm unleashing troll army. Guilt by association. Also, misgendering. Yes, you haven't moved one millimeter beyond absurd reactions to hearing mean things on the internet (Milo not omg-these-bad-people-are-basically-Milo). If you want to delineate what is beyond the pale and actually worth paying attention to ... and newsflash, some very mean things were said about racist, sexist, xenophobic Trump supporters in the wake of the election ... you'll have to do much, much better.

But go show me where he's DMing the posited troll army to doxx and deaththreat, and tell me what your beliefs are about tarring the craziest political supporters as the face of the movement.


It's pretty incredibly biased to call him innocent when it comes to the Twitter army attack.

I won't hold my breath to wait for your justifications. You might as well blame disaffected Hillary supporters. Black voters didn't turn out in enough numbers to elect the eminently electable. The bar for blame has been set very very low.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States599 Posts
February 22 2017 15:30 GMT
#138874
Wouldn't be shocked if mexico developed a bus system to bring the deported folks right back to the border just out of sheer spite at this point.
I am, therefore I pee
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 15:32 GMT
#138875
They'll have to get over the wall (that they're going to pay for) first.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2017 15:34 GMT
#138876
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 15:37 GMT
#138877
Betsy DeVos, our new liberal hero! Yay!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States599 Posts
February 22 2017 15:44 GMT
#138878
On February 23 2017 00:32 LegalLord wrote:
They'll have to get over the wall (that they're going to pay for) first.



I guess they can include a ladder in their plan. or maybe an underground tunnel, shouldn't cost nearly 24B
I am, therefore I pee
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
February 22 2017 15:45 GMT
#138879
On February 23 2017 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
Betsy DeVos, our new liberal hero! Yay!

Are you sarcastic ~90% of the time? Or are we in some kind of post-sarcasm world where nobody either does or doesn't mean the things they say anymore?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 15:48 GMT
#138880
We live in the strangest of times. But I guess even DeVos doesn’t like the idea of removing protections from children.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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