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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 15:54:00
February 22 2017 15:49 GMT
#138881
On February 22 2017 23:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 23:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I thought we were supposed to trust the Russians about the dossier, Donald. Now they're telling us lies and fabricating things? What am I supposed to believe?

On a happy note, Flynn's purging seems to have awarded us a sane national security adviser who isn't borderline delusional with a history of odd international lobbying and being fired for being a screwup.

That man seems hand picked to stand up to Bannon and his crew. I wonder who pushed to have him placed in the job.

Interesting. So McMaster is an outspoken history PHD who doesn't believe in isolationism and wants to strengthen alliances and believes understanding local histories and politics for the diverse groups in irak/afghanistan and working with them politically is the only way to guarantee long term safety and reduce extremism.

That's like Bannons worst nightmare. How can he start his ideological church militant war now?
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 22 2017 15:54 GMT
#138882
At least that deportation policy seems to only apply to people who cross over the border from Mexico. Apparently there are quite a few undocumented Asian immigrants that wouldn't make sense for the policy to apply to. Their numbers don't seem to be great enough in comparison to Central/South American undocumented immigrants to warrant as much public scrutiny though.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 15:55 GMT
#138883
On February 23 2017 00:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 23:12 Plansix wrote:
On February 22 2017 23:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I thought we were supposed to trust the Russians about the dossier, Donald. Now they're telling us lies and fabricating things? What am I supposed to believe?

On a happy note, Flynn's purging seems to have awarded us a sane national security adviser who isn't borderline delusional with a history of odd international lobbying and being fired for being a screwup.

That man seems hand picked to stand up to Bannon and his crew. I wonder who pushed to have him placed in the job.

Interesting. So he's an outspoken history PHD who doesn't believe in isolationism and wants to strengthen alliances and believes understanding local histories and politics for the diverse groups in irak/afghanistan and working with them politically is the only way to guarantee long term safety and reduce extremism.

That's like Bannons worst nightmare.

I respect anyone in the military with that view, especially today with the Internets false worldly-ness we are all prone to. I only hope he can make some changes or at least bring any problems the senate armed services committee.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3187 Posts
February 22 2017 15:58 GMT
#138884
Hey, did you guys notice this?

https://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2017/02/08/team-liquid-alternative-facts

I'm guessing they didn't get xDaunt to write that one.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 22 2017 16:00 GMT
#138885
On February 23 2017 00:48 Plansix wrote:
We live in the strangest of times. But I guess even DeVos doesn’t like the idea of removing protections from children.


disabled kids? eh whatever

transgender? we gotta protect them!

idgi
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42430 Posts
February 22 2017 16:04 GMT
#138886
On February 23 2017 00:48 Plansix wrote:
We live in the strangest of times. But I guess even DeVos doesn’t like the idea of removing protections from children.

Probably no money in it for her.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 16:05 GMT
#138887
On February 23 2017 00:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 23:12 Plansix wrote:
On February 22 2017 23:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I thought we were supposed to trust the Russians about the dossier, Donald. Now they're telling us lies and fabricating things? What am I supposed to believe?

On a happy note, Flynn's purging seems to have awarded us a sane national security adviser who isn't borderline delusional with a history of odd international lobbying and being fired for being a screwup.

That man seems hand picked to stand up to Bannon and his crew. I wonder who pushed to have him placed in the job.

Interesting. So McMaster is an outspoken history PHD who doesn't believe in isolationism and wants to strengthen alliances and believes understanding local histories and politics for the diverse groups in irak/afghanistan and working with them politically is the only way to guarantee long term safety and reduce extremism.

That's like Bannons worst nightmare. How can he start his ideological church militant war now?


Thank god for Mattis and McMaster. Now the question is whether they'll get priority over the Breitbart reporters.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 16:10 GMT
#138888
On February 23 2017 00:45 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
Betsy DeVos, our new liberal hero! Yay!

Are you sarcastic ~90% of the time? Or are we in some kind of post-sarcasm world where nobody either does or doesn't mean the things they say anymore?

Not sure sarcasm is the right word (I'd use satire) but I'm not being serious with that specific comment, no.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 16:14 GMT
#138889
On February 23 2017 01:04 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 00:48 Plansix wrote:
We live in the strangest of times. But I guess even DeVos doesn’t like the idea of removing protections from children.

Probably no money in it for her.

Sessions is proving to be everything I expected and I bet she wants nothing to do with his policies of aggressive indifference. Don’t actively promote bigotry, just remove every legal protection possible and let bigotry do its thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 16:16:12
February 22 2017 16:15 GMT
#138890
DeVos' support for the transgender Dear Colleague letter can be explained through a bit of Michigan political background. It's worth remembering that the state of Michigan put the entire weight of its Attorney General behind the fight against gay marriage, and they scored a nice victory in DeBoer v. Snyder when the 6th Circuit reversed the district court judge and upheld a Michigan constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. That victory turned sour as fuck when DeBoer got consolidated into Obergefell, was accordingly reversed by the Supreme Court, and then handed back down alongside a requirement that the state of Michigan foot the plaintiff's bill, which ended up being 1.9 million dollars.

Since then, Michigan Republicans have played hot potato with sexual politics and have mostly run away from anything pointed towards the LGBT community, and I have little doubt that DeVos is acting on that impulse here. Knowing full well the political cost of opposing or even seeming indifferent to LGBT issues, DeVos would almost certainly rather spend her political capital on her own pet project of using public funds for private purposes.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 16:22 GMT
#138891
And I am sure any attempt to remove those protections will put her back in front of the national spotlight, which she does not want. From what I have been reading about her interactions with teachers unions and schools, she is facing opposition from all angles. This would just be another thing to hit her with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 22 2017 16:24 GMT
#138892
The backlash over this transgender thing is going to be epic. North Carolina got beat up for similar things and lost a lot of business. People already hate this administration at record levels. Talk about throwing fuel on the fire.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 16:33 GMT
#138893
And economics is how you deal with states like NC. When the Jim Crow laws were repealed and segregation ended, Mississippi was the last bastion of hard line racism in the US. Most of cross burning videos and photos we see in history books came from that time, when they aggressively pushed back against equal treatment of blacks. And that went on for a while until the state had to crack down. Not because of bad PR or federal pressure, but because business after business fled the state.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15513 Posts
February 22 2017 16:34 GMT
#138894
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/howard-dean-endorses-pete-buttigieg-dnc-235257

Dean can't seem to make up his mind. I don't know a lot about this Buttigieg fellow other than his silly last name.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 16:53:06
February 22 2017 16:52 GMT
#138895
To loosely paraphrase: "I had dinner with this guy, and by golly he's my pick. Smart, capable guy, is he." That's veering into Trumpian territory, Dean.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15513 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 16:57:08
February 22 2017 16:56 GMT
#138896
On February 23 2017 01:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
To loosely paraphrase: "I had dinner with this guy, and by golly he's my pick. Smart, capable guy, is he." That's veering into Trumpian territory, Dean.


Yeah, using a dinner experience as supporting evidence certainly makes me scratch my chin. I feel like this is him trying to split the vote enough to screw over Ellison
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 16:59 GMT
#138897
Dunno if anyone would take Buttkeg seriously just because Howard Dean said so.

Would be funny if there were a plot against Ellison though. A fitting way to top off a very electable election season.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 17:00 GMT
#138898
Mr. Buttkeg does not seem electable.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15513 Posts
February 22 2017 17:01 GMT
#138899
If I may predict:

Perez gets it and we gain in 2018 but not nearly what we should have after Trump's first 2 years and not enough to make a huge difference.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 17:08 GMT
#138900
Hard to beat DWS at being bad. But the DNC is determined to try.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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