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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 23:03:57
February 14 2017 23:01 GMT
#137441
In other Valentines Day themed news, Anthem/Cigna and Aetna/Humana both broke up today.

Cigna is suing Anthem for 13b, that's a nasty breakup if I ever saw one.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 23:01:37
February 14 2017 23:01 GMT
#137442
On February 15 2017 07:52 LegalLord wrote:
As insane as what Trump is doing appears, it's pretty consistent with the confused and unwieldy reality of the general American approach to the world right now. Bush's presidency saw a rather consequential manifestation of the results of hawkish behavior, Obama saw an attempt to gradually pull back (which ended up quite unsuccessful), and Trump represents the nationalist/populist/protectionist view of the US. At the end of four years Hillary would have most likely just been another Hollande, who would bumble through keeping the status quo while doing little to give it long-term staying power. Trump may make enemies and degrade the status of the US abroad, but it was just a matter of time until that came to pass.

Keep in mind our political system is in a hopeless perpetual gridlock. So are the other countries of Europe where populists gain traction but they aren't quite at this level yet. Any actions by Trump, good or bad, are going to be perceived by quite a lot of Democrats as the ultimate evil. There is no illusion of cooperation anymore.



Cooperation got us nothing but a shitty war and tax cuts for the rich. Bipartisanship is dead. Our government can’t function if one party is trying to weaponize the House of Representatives for pure party line votes and nothing else. That isn’t it’s role. This is the end result of making rules preventing the minority bringing bills to a vote, preventing the entire party working on anything with the other side. The part that bums me out is that it took 16 years for the Democrats to figure it out.

The House is supposed to make shit happen all the time and it isn't functioning as intended.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 23:17 GMT
#137443
just fyi the really hardline neocons, people from Commentary, for example, are already backing trump because their one issue is protecting a certain fascist faction in israel.

trump is like a tide that washes away all the bullshit and reveals where people actually stand.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 14 2017 23:18 GMT
#137444
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
February 14 2017 23:19 GMT
#137445
Conway has been kicked off the island? Where's Jeff Probst when you need him.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28863 Posts
February 14 2017 23:27 GMT
#137446
So much for Trump rewarding loyalty? Very happy to not have to listen to Conway ever again, but she's the most talented suffragette he's had, by far.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 14 2017 23:29 GMT
#137447
Maybe she wasn't loyal and leaked things, why would she get removed otherwise?
Question.?
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
February 14 2017 23:30 GMT
#137448
Best season of The Apprentice so far. One(two?) out, who's next?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
February 14 2017 23:32 GMT
#137449
I can't find a single corroborating report, best hold off until we know a tribal vote went down
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 23:57:19
February 14 2017 23:33 GMT
#137450
Conway is uniquely gifted as an individual who can vehemently swear 2+2=5 without hesitation or uncertainty. The first time I really saw her was during the campaign when a Miss Teen America Pageant participant was explaining how Trump was an incredibly creepy figure that routinely sexually harassed the girls and described one specific incident in detail. She said that Trump would wait until the girls were changing and then barge in for spurious reasons and linger, forcing them to engage with him while topless, or worse. Kellyanne said that there was no evidence for it beyond this girl's reports and that it certainly didn't sound plausible. The reporter then played a tape of Trump bragging about the same incident and about how he could just walk in on the girls while they were undressed and that they couldn't even say anything because he was the boss. Conway insisted that there was just no way to know who was telling the truth.

That's a once in a generation talent right there.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28863 Posts
February 14 2017 23:34 GMT
#137451
On February 15 2017 08:29 biology]major wrote:
Maybe she wasn't loyal and leaked things, why would she get removed otherwise?


Maybe people can only defend Trump for so long before they lose all credibility, and she's past her due date. She also fucked up pretty hard with Bowling Green - that incident really fucked with the Trump administration's fake news crusade.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 14 2017 23:34 GMT
#137452
Hmm, it was pretty recent that this Trump signaled he would stick to the One China policy...

There's a Trump toilet, a Trump condom, a Trump pacemaker and even a Trump International Hotel among hundreds of trademarks in China that don't belong to Donald Trump. But after a decade of grinding battle in China's courts, the president was expected to get an unlikely win this week: the rights to his own name.

Trump's late victory in the fight to wrest back one sliver of his brand — the trademark for building construction services — could signal a shift in fortune for the U.S. president's intellectual property in China. At stake are 49 pending trademark applications — all made during his campaign — and 77 marks already registered in his name, most of which will come up for renewal during his term.

...

"There can be no question that it is a terrible idea for Donald Trump to be accepting the registration of these valuable property rights from China while he's a sitting president of the United States," said Norman Eisen, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer for President Barack Obama. "It's fair to conclude that this is an effort to influence Mr. Trump that is relatively inexpensive for the Chinese, potentially very valuable to him, but it could be very costly for the United States."

Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, called the situation "highly improper." Since foreign governments know Trump cares deeply about his family's business, Painter said, "they will give him what he wants and they will expect stuff in return."


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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 23:35:43
February 14 2017 23:35 GMT
#137453
Pence is better than Conway at Trumpsplaining, she's lost some credibility with her 'alternative facts', bowling green and ivanka commercial. Overrated!
Question.?
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 14 2017 23:38 GMT
#137454
On February 15 2017 08:35 biology]major wrote:
Pence is better than Conway at Trumpsplaining, she's lost some credibility with her 'alternative facts', bowling green and ivanka commercial. Overrated!


I guess she's not a sustainable fact anymore.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28863 Posts
February 14 2017 23:43 GMT
#137455
Pence is great at Trumpsplaining but he hasn't been nearly as active as Conway, nor confronted by video footage that disproves the argument she just presented, in the same way she has. Kwark's example is one of many, and I agree with his assessment that she's uniquely gifted.

Pence manages to make a sensible and nuanced explanation of what policy direction Trump favors based on a statement lacking both sense and nuance. Conway manages to be confronted with something terrible Trump did or said, and completely deflect it.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 23:45 GMT
#137456
sustainable fact is great. very quotable capsule for this era
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 15 2017 00:00 GMT
#137457
I'm really not happy with the fact that almost every politician is splitting into a dichotomy of "Complicit in potential Russian meddling" and "Wanting to start a new cold war with Russia".

I want people to be held accountable for any Russia-related scandals, but I really don't like where a lot of people seem to want this all to head and would like to see Russia relationships improve over time not deteriorate (but improve without a free pass on bad stuff).
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 15 2017 00:04 GMT
#137458
as ive said it is not about 'russia' but norms of behavior and the spread of kleptocratic relations among rus elite and trump.

you need to get some clue about how the rest of the world works to see why this is so dangerous. if you dont want your country to be ruled by unaccountable kleptocrats who wield media and state force to maintain power, should take trump and russia ties seriously.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22459 Posts
February 15 2017 00:05 GMT
#137459
On February 15 2017 09:00 Logo wrote:
I'm really not happy with the fact that almost every politician is splitting into a dichotomy of "Complicit in potential Russian meddling" and "Wanting to start a new cold war with Russia".

I want people to be held accountable for any Russia-related scandals, but I really don't like where a lot of people seem to want this all to head and would like to see Russia relationships improve over time not deteriorate (but improve without a free pass on bad stuff).

I would love for relations between the West and Russia to improve. But that's hard when Russia occupied and annexed part of another country, wages a covert war and repeatedly threatens our allies.

Its hard to improve relations while Putin is trying to define his legacy by rebuilding the USSR.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 15 2017 00:34 GMT
#137460
On February 15 2017 09:00 Logo wrote:
I'm really not happy with the fact that almost every politician is splitting into a dichotomy of "Complicit in potential Russian meddling" and "Wanting to start a new cold war with Russia".

I want people to be held accountable for any Russia-related scandals, but I really don't like where a lot of people seem to want this all to head and would like to see Russia relationships improve over time not deteriorate (but improve without a free pass on bad stuff).

there's probably a bunch of other politicians, you just don't hear about them as much beacuse yelling gets more coverage.

also not sure how to improve russian relationship, it takes two to improve, and that doesn't fit well with russia's current goals and plans.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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