EPT"Never a likelihood."
lol, how summarily unconvincing.
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farvacola
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"Never a likelihood." lol, how summarily unconvincing. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On February 15 2017 05:52 brian wrote: **--there is obviously no evidence to support this: occam's razor leads me to believe that he didn't get canned due to his security risk to the nation but that instead he's the near-president source. this easy explanation, imo, explains all of the inconsistencies in all the stories. and why it's a partisan issue. ???? Which part do you not have evidence for? Yates told McGahn that Flynn was a security risk. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.f921c544e890 | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22702 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:20 LegalLord wrote: Source So, as I was saying a few days ago: no detente with Russia is going to happen. It was never a likelihood. No, its Spicer in damage control mode because the National Security Advisor just had to step down over illegal actions with Russia Also lets see how Trump responds to Russia breaking that Cruise missile agreement held up since the Cold war. Actions > words. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I really can see why some of his past projects crumbled if nobody on the team actually crosses the t's and dots the i's. This is probably part of why there are so many leaks, nobody knows who knows what or who is responsible for what. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:26 TheTenthDoc wrote: The Trump White House seems to really blow at actually doing paperwork, about on par with Trump's campaign. Here's the official letter saying they haven't taken the proper steps to register their chastisement of Conway's "commercial" for Ivanka, which was Chaffetz-style posted online by the Dems in the House oversight committee. I really can see why some of his past projects crumbled if nobody on the team actually crosses the t's and dots the i's. This is probably part of why there are so many leaks, nobody knows who knows what or who is responsible for what. I like how that letter contributes to the narrative that all of Trump's inner circle are at each other's throats. And we're only in week 4 of ~200. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:20 LegalLord wrote: Source So, as I was saying a few days ago: no detente with Russia is going to happen. It was never a likelihood. this is all part of managing the appearances. the willingness to craft messaging not to express your beliefs or positions but to achieve certain effects. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:34 oneofthem wrote: this is all part of managing the appearances. the willingness to craft messaging not to express your beliefs or positions but to achieve certain effects. It's a fairly weighty statement. The folk over in the Ukraine are already quivering with anticipation for the kind of support they will ultimately get. I mean, they will be disappointed, but either Trump makes weighty statements lightly for the sake of deflecting criticism or it's a policy shift. Could be either, considering Trump is nothing if not capricious. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
they are giving away leverage positions while stating the opposite to make calling them out on it harder. | ||
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Plansix
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:44 oneofthem wrote: it's kind of like saying 'we'll be tough on china' while cutting off all the allies who could help you on china. they are giving away leverage positions while stating the opposite to make calling them out on it harder. Meh, for all my criticism of the tee-pee-pee I have to say it's pretty stupid to simultaneously withdraw from that deal and then take a hawkish stance on China. The result is just going to be that everyone hates you. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:47 LegalLord wrote: Meh, for all my criticism of the tee-pee-pee I have to say it's pretty stupid to simultaneously withdraw from that deal and then take a hawkish stance on China. The result is just going to be that everyone hates you. This will likely be the legacy of the Trump presidency. Most of our allies got burned hard under Bush. We don’t get the benefit of the doubt the second time around. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12076 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:49 Plansix wrote: This will likely be the legacy of the Trump presidency. Most of our allies got burned hard under Bush. We don’t get the benefit of the doubt the second time around. Yeah, at this point it seems like when doing any treaties with the US, one needs to keep in mind that your government goes completely mad every 8 years. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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OuchyDathurts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28922 Posts
On February 15 2017 06:49 Plansix wrote: This will likely be the legacy of the Trump presidency. Most of our allies got burned hard under Bush. We don’t get the benefit of the doubt the second time around. To be fair, I've noticed a difference in mentality among Norwegians. Hate towards america(ns) was more common during the bush years (specifically caused by the invasion of Iraq), now it's more an amalgamation of disappointment, pity and disbelief. So far, Trump has not actually made any mistakes even approaching the magnitude of the Iraq invasion (in terms of consequence, not stupidity), and nowadays, very few Americans speak openly on the internet about their support for Trump; most people express the same disappointment and disbelief, some argue that Hillary was sufficiently hard place-like that they had no choice but to go for the crock, and then only like 5-10% of Americans I encounter online actually display rage-inducing RIK-ignorance. Go back to the invasion of Iraq and I was arguing with people I perceived as completely sane who thought it seemed like the right thing to do - I hardly saw american voices that were vocal in their opposition to it. (At least during the build-up.) That made me go like, fuck you guys. Now I feel like much more like you guys are my lost brethren and I just gotta hold your hand for the next 4 years, be supportive, hope stuff ends up less painful than I fear, and also, I feel genuine hope and excitement because I see so many people who used to be apathetic towards politics who suddenly have become very engaged. I'm certain there are places on the internet that would drive me absolutely insane, but at least within my bubble, you guys are super sympathetic.  | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 15 2017 07:36 biology]major wrote: I'd love if Trump just cleared house of Bannon, Priebus, Conway but that is just a pipe dream. i'd love if pence would hurry up and clear house of trump  but it's too early for that. likely going to take a few months at least before it's time for that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 15 2017 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: To be fair, I've noticed a difference in mentality among Norwegians. Hate towards america(ns) was more common during the bush years (specifically caused by the invasion of Iraq), now it's more an amalgamation of disappointment, pity and disbelief. So far, Trump has not actually made any mistakes even approaching the magnitude of the Iraq invasion (in terms of consequence, not stupidity), and nowadays, very few Americans speak openly on the internet about their support for Trump; most people express the same disappointment and disbelief, some argue that Hillary was sufficiently hard place-like that they had no choice but to go for the crock, and then only like 5-10% of Americans I encounter online actually display rage-inducing RIK-ignorance. Go back to the invasion of Iraq and I was arguing with people I perceived as completely sane who thought it seemed like the right thing to do - I hardly saw american voices that were vocal in their opposition to it. (At least during the build-up.) That made me go like, fuck you guys. Now I feel like much more like you guys are my lost brethren and I just gotta hold your hand for the next 4 years, be supportive, hope stuff ends up less painful than I fear, and also, I feel genuine hope and excitement because I see so many people who used to be apathetic towards politics who suddenly have become very engaged. I'm certain there are places on the internet that would drive me absolutely insane, but at least within my bubble, you guys are super sympathetic. The Iraq war is like this open wound we don’t talk about, so it just festers. My brother served in it, thought it was stupid, got a whole bunch of PTSD and now lives with his dog. He dislikes Obama for pulling out of the war, but also freely admits it was unwinnable and bad. He is mad about the lack of veteran support for his troops and one of his guys just committed suicide. But yet he can’t seem to blame the Republicans for holding up everything in congress for 6 years. Just as long as they give lip service to vets come election time, he is all for that party. And after all of that, he still voted for Trump because he “couldn’t deal with another Democrat screwing with the armed services. Against every discussion we had leading up to the election. And now he doesn’t understand why my wife was pissed at him because he basically voted to fuck up her healthcare. Its like this distorted unreality we can't escape. Iraq is the worst because we all got played and no one was held accountable. The Democrats just wanted to save the economy and the Republicans just wanted to ignore it. No one wants to pay for it, no one wants to talk about it. Our services members suffer from it. But let’s watch American Sniper for the 50th time so we can try to feel better about that disaster. I'm glad the people around you are not completely feed up with the US. For the since 9/11 we have either fucked shit up completely or our congress decided to do literally nothing but watch after we elected Obama. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Keep in mind our political system is in a hopeless perpetual gridlock. So are the other countries of Europe where populists gain traction but they aren't quite at this level yet. Any actions by Trump, good or bad, are going to be perceived by quite a lot of Democrats as the ultimate evil. There is no illusion of cooperation anymore. | ||
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