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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 15:20 GMT
#137361
Full interview, this whole defense seems like they are trying to prevent more digging.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 14 2017 15:29 GMT
#137362
On February 14 2017 15:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 15:01 LegalLord wrote:
Treasury and VA Secretaries confirmed while we were watching Flynn.



VA completely noncontroversial. Obama appointee in the VA. appointed unanimously. Treasury has problems but not especially vulnerable. I'll try to hold judgement until he does anything.

One advantage of Mnuchin is they already have all the documentary footage from his involvement in the last financial crisis. That'll be a big time saver this time.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 14 2017 15:29 GMT
#137363
"unsustainable fact" makes my head hurt.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 15:35:56
February 14 2017 15:30 GMT
#137364
On February 15 2017 00:13 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 23:58 Acrofales wrote:
On February 14 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.

Doesn't any appointee need to go through Senate confirmation again? Would the Republicans in Senate ever confirm Petraeus after badgering Clinton for an entire campaign season over the email scandal? The attack ads write themselves...


No this position does not need senate confirmation


Even if it did R's would appoint Patraeus in a heartbeat, nobody in Congress gives a shit about hypocrisy.

Also...where did all of Trump's bluster about making Japan pay for us defending them go? Oh...right...he can't actually negotiate with any world leaders terribly effectively because things don't work that way in real life.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 16:11:02
February 14 2017 16:10 GMT
#137365
On February 15 2017 00:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Full interview, this whole defense seems like they are trying to prevent more digging.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/831484037072044032

This was so much fun that I typed up a transcript.
Kellyanne thank you for joining us this morning

Good morning

Of course the big story today General Michael Flynn. So the White House was told by the Justice Department last month that Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail yet he stayed in the job for what, 17 days after the warning from the Justice Department, why?

George, the General Flynn continued on the National Security team and kept doing the presidential briefing on the leader calls, we are aware of the Justice Department opinion but the fact is that not until yesterday er General Flynn continued in his job when it became increasingly unsustainable for him.

I understand that, but that’s my question. The question is why? The White House Counsel was told by Sally Yates of the Justice Department that the General Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail. Did the White House Counsel tell President Trump that?

I don’t know the answer to that. And President Trump has asked me to join you today to say that he accepted the resignation of General Flynn and really the key here in that resignation is very simple. It’s that the Vice President, Mike Pence, was misled by General Flynn, or General Flynn could not completely recall what his conversations had been with the Russian ambassador.

But you knew that! But Kellyanne the White House knew that almost three weeks ago. They knew that after the Justice Department told the White House Counsel Don McGahn almost three weeks ago that General Flynn had not told the truth about those phone calls and was vulnerable to Russian blackmail.

Well these are what are in printed reports. But the fact is that I can’t reveal what the White House knew, or didn’t know, or who in the White House knew or didn’t know. All I can tell you is that General Flynn as the National Security Adviser to the President continued in that role and uh the President also is wants me to refer everyone to the comments of Charles Krauthammer on a different network wherein he makes the point that it’s not this contact or this incident necessarily it’s the misleading of the Vice President or the incomplete information, it’s either it’s it’s being dishonest or forgetful.

Well I….

And I beg to say that General Flynn had a thirty plus year honorable career in the military he’s one of the int… chief intelligence officers key intelligence officers of a generation and uh we’re sorry for this situation but the President accepted his resignation and he’s moving on.

But I understand what you’re saying there Kellyanne but this is exactly the point. Three weeks ago the Justice Department told the White House that General Flynn was misleading the Vice President, was misleading the public, about his contacts with the Russians. You had that information. The White House had that information, chose to keep General Flynn in his job, chose not to correct the record, chose not to tell the public, what they knew about General Flynn’s phone calls. How could that be?

But George again, I’m not here to say who knew what when because first of all that would be divulging information that is highly sensitive and secondly I don’t know all the details. I haven’t spoken to everyone that you’re talking about in that instance. It’s a very fluid situation, it was obviously very fluid into the night, we were here very late last night. The upshot of it is that General Flynn did have a conversation with Vice President Pence apart from what you’re saying in printed reports and General Flynn assured Vice President Pence um, something that turned out to not be true. And that’s really the key here. That General Flynn in the end decided that he was a lightning rod, that he did not want to be a distraction and he turned in his resignation last night because because what he had provided the Vice President either was a product of misleading information or forgetfulness, neither one was sustainable long term.

Kellyanne I’ve got to get to the bottom of this here. You asked to come on this morning at the President’s request, the President wants you to come out and speak for the White House this morning. Do you know if the President was told three weeks ago when Sally Yates told the White House Counsel that General Flynn had been compromised, do you know if the President was told that?

I do not know that George.

Do you know if the Vice President was told that?

I do not know that.

Do you know why the White House chose not to correct the record for those three weeks?

Well again you’re presuming that all the information that you have there is completely factual and who knew what when and this is very fluid. I mean the bottom line is that as time wore on and everybody continued in their roles it became increasingly apparent uh particularly over the weekend when General Flynn clarified his own earlier statement George, a statement that he had provided to the Vice President, and that other members of the administration frankly went out and publicly repeated. Which is that he had not discussed a certain topic in his conversations with the Russian ambassador. And so when General Flynn clarified his comments that “it’s possible” and that he “could not recall” that accelerated matters in a way that was different.

It is…

And that’s where we are today.

It is a fact that the Justice Department did tell the White House Counsel Don McGahn that information almost three weeks ago. Final question you said late yesterday afternoon that “the President had full confidence in General Flynn”. How could that be true?

The President is very loyal. It just became unsustainable and the President late last night accepted the resignation of General Flynn. Today he’s moving on, he, er, it just became clear that we’ll need to have acting, acting National Security Advisor General Keith Kellogg in the role. He’s uh been working very closely with the President for a number of months. And then uh and then of course we’ve been talking about a former navy seal and Vice Admiral Harward and David Petraeus as well, General Petraeus as possible permanent replacements.

Kellyanne Conway thanks very much.

Thanks George.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 16:14 GMT
#137366
On February 15 2017 00:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 00:13 biology]major wrote:
On February 14 2017 23:58 Acrofales wrote:
On February 14 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.

Doesn't any appointee need to go through Senate confirmation again? Would the Republicans in Senate ever confirm Petraeus after badgering Clinton for an entire campaign season over the email scandal? The attack ads write themselves...


No this position does not need senate confirmation


Even if it did R's would appoint Patraeus in a heartbeat, nobody in Congress gives a shit about hypocrisy.

Also...where did all of Trump's bluster about making Japan pay for us defending them go? Oh...right...he can't actually negotiate with any world leaders terribly effectively because things don't work that way in real life.

And he is being informed of all the very valuable things nations like Japan and members of the EU provide for US. And that they can stop doing those things and publicly blame him. He ability to strong arm our allies is nil and that is the only language he knows.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
February 14 2017 16:20 GMT
#137367
On February 15 2017 01:10 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 00:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Full interview, this whole defense seems like they are trying to prevent more digging.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/831484037072044032

This was so much fun that I typed up a transcript.
Show nested quote +
Kellyanne thank you for joining us this morning

Good morning

Of course the big story today General Michael Flynn. So the White House was told by the Justice Department last month that Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail yet he stayed in the job for what, 17 days after the warning from the Justice Department, why?

George, the General Flynn continued on the National Security team and kept doing the presidential briefing on the leader calls, we are aware of the Justice Department opinion but the fact is that not until yesterday er General Flynn continued in his job when it became increasingly unsustainable for him.

I understand that, but that’s my question. The question is why? The White House Counsel was told by Sally Yates of the Justice Department that the General Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail. Did the White House Counsel tell President Trump that?

I don’t know the answer to that. And President Trump has asked me to join you today to say that he accepted the resignation of General Flynn and really the key here in that resignation is very simple. It’s that the Vice President, Mike Pence, was misled by General Flynn, or General Flynn could not completely recall what his conversations had been with the Russian ambassador.

But you knew that! But Kellyanne the White House knew that almost three weeks ago. They knew that after the Justice Department told the White House Counsel Don McGahn almost three weeks ago that General Flynn had not told the truth about those phone calls and was vulnerable to Russian blackmail.

Well these are what are in printed reports. But the fact is that I can’t reveal what the White House knew, or didn’t know, or who in the White House knew or didn’t know. All I can tell you is that General Flynn as the National Security Adviser to the President continued in that role and uh the President also is wants me to refer everyone to the comments of Charles Krauthammer on a different network wherein he makes the point that it’s not this contact or this incident necessarily it’s the misleading of the Vice President or the incomplete information, it’s either it’s it’s being dishonest or forgetful.

Well I….

And I beg to say that General Flynn had a thirty plus year honorable career in the military he’s one of the int… chief intelligence officers key intelligence officers of a generation and uh we’re sorry for this situation but the President accepted his resignation and he’s moving on.

But I understand what you’re saying there Kellyanne but this is exactly the point. Three weeks ago the Justice Department told the White House that General Flynn was misleading the Vice President, was misleading the public, about his contacts with the Russians. You had that information. The White House had that information, chose to keep General Flynn in his job, chose not to correct the record, chose not to tell the public, what they knew about General Flynn’s phone calls. How could that be?

But George again, I’m not here to say who knew what when because first of all that would be divulging information that is highly sensitive and secondly I don’t know all the details. I haven’t spoken to everyone that you’re talking about in that instance. It’s a very fluid situation, it was obviously very fluid into the night, we were here very late last night. The upshot of it is that General Flynn did have a conversation with Vice President Pence apart from what you’re saying in printed reports and General Flynn assured Vice President Pence um, something that turned out to not be true. And that’s really the key here. That General Flynn in the end decided that he was a lightning rod, that he did not want to be a distraction and he turned in his resignation last night because because what he had provided the Vice President either was a product of misleading information or forgetfulness, neither one was sustainable long term.

Kellyanne I’ve got to get to the bottom of this here. You asked to come on this morning at the President’s request, the President wants you to come out and speak for the White House this morning. Do you know if the President was told three weeks ago when Sally Yates told the White House Counsel that General Flynn had been compromised, do you know if the President was told that?

I do not know that George.

Do you know if the Vice President was told that?

I do not know that.

Do you know why the White House chose not to correct the record for those three weeks?

Well again you’re presuming that all the information that you have there is completely factual and who knew what when and this is very fluid. I mean the bottom line is that as time wore on and everybody continued in their roles it became increasingly apparent uh particularly over the weekend when General Flynn clarified his own earlier statement George, a statement that he had provided to the Vice President, and that other members of the administration frankly went out and publicly repeated. Which is that he had not discussed a certain topic in his conversations with the Russian ambassador. And so when General Flynn clarified his comments that “it’s possible” and that he “could not recall” that accelerated matters in a way that was different.

It is…

And that’s where we are today.

It is a fact that the Justice Department did tell the White House Counsel Don McGahn that information almost three weeks ago. Final question you said late yesterday afternoon that “the President had full confidence in General Flynn”. How could that be true?

The President is very loyal. It just became unsustainable and the President late last night accepted the resignation of General Flynn. Today he’s moving on, he, er, it just became clear that we’ll need to have acting, acting National Security Advisor General Keith Kellogg in the role. He’s uh been working very closely with the President for a number of months. And then uh and then of course we’ve been talking about a former navy seal and Vice Admiral Harward and David Petraeus as well, General Petraeus as possible permanent replacements.

Kellyanne Conway thanks very much.

Thanks George.


i really appreciate that you typed it all out, i can't access the video atm . to clarify, i thought she was being interviewed by Matt Lauer. did she consistently call him George? or did they introduce a third party?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 14 2017 16:21 GMT
#137368
On February 15 2017 01:20 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 01:10 KwarK wrote:
On February 15 2017 00:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Full interview, this whole defense seems like they are trying to prevent more digging.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/831484037072044032

This was so much fun that I typed up a transcript.
Kellyanne thank you for joining us this morning

Good morning

Of course the big story today General Michael Flynn. So the White House was told by the Justice Department last month that Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail yet he stayed in the job for what, 17 days after the warning from the Justice Department, why?

George, the General Flynn continued on the National Security team and kept doing the presidential briefing on the leader calls, we are aware of the Justice Department opinion but the fact is that not until yesterday er General Flynn continued in his job when it became increasingly unsustainable for him.

I understand that, but that’s my question. The question is why? The White House Counsel was told by Sally Yates of the Justice Department that the General Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail. Did the White House Counsel tell President Trump that?

I don’t know the answer to that. And President Trump has asked me to join you today to say that he accepted the resignation of General Flynn and really the key here in that resignation is very simple. It’s that the Vice President, Mike Pence, was misled by General Flynn, or General Flynn could not completely recall what his conversations had been with the Russian ambassador.

But you knew that! But Kellyanne the White House knew that almost three weeks ago. They knew that after the Justice Department told the White House Counsel Don McGahn almost three weeks ago that General Flynn had not told the truth about those phone calls and was vulnerable to Russian blackmail.

Well these are what are in printed reports. But the fact is that I can’t reveal what the White House knew, or didn’t know, or who in the White House knew or didn’t know. All I can tell you is that General Flynn as the National Security Adviser to the President continued in that role and uh the President also is wants me to refer everyone to the comments of Charles Krauthammer on a different network wherein he makes the point that it’s not this contact or this incident necessarily it’s the misleading of the Vice President or the incomplete information, it’s either it’s it’s being dishonest or forgetful.

Well I….

And I beg to say that General Flynn had a thirty plus year honorable career in the military he’s one of the int… chief intelligence officers key intelligence officers of a generation and uh we’re sorry for this situation but the President accepted his resignation and he’s moving on.

But I understand what you’re saying there Kellyanne but this is exactly the point. Three weeks ago the Justice Department told the White House that General Flynn was misleading the Vice President, was misleading the public, about his contacts with the Russians. You had that information. The White House had that information, chose to keep General Flynn in his job, chose not to correct the record, chose not to tell the public, what they knew about General Flynn’s phone calls. How could that be?

But George again, I’m not here to say who knew what when because first of all that would be divulging information that is highly sensitive and secondly I don’t know all the details. I haven’t spoken to everyone that you’re talking about in that instance. It’s a very fluid situation, it was obviously very fluid into the night, we were here very late last night. The upshot of it is that General Flynn did have a conversation with Vice President Pence apart from what you’re saying in printed reports and General Flynn assured Vice President Pence um, something that turned out to not be true. And that’s really the key here. That General Flynn in the end decided that he was a lightning rod, that he did not want to be a distraction and he turned in his resignation last night because because what he had provided the Vice President either was a product of misleading information or forgetfulness, neither one was sustainable long term.

Kellyanne I’ve got to get to the bottom of this here. You asked to come on this morning at the President’s request, the President wants you to come out and speak for the White House this morning. Do you know if the President was told three weeks ago when Sally Yates told the White House Counsel that General Flynn had been compromised, do you know if the President was told that?

I do not know that George.

Do you know if the Vice President was told that?

I do not know that.

Do you know why the White House chose not to correct the record for those three weeks?

Well again you’re presuming that all the information that you have there is completely factual and who knew what when and this is very fluid. I mean the bottom line is that as time wore on and everybody continued in their roles it became increasingly apparent uh particularly over the weekend when General Flynn clarified his own earlier statement George, a statement that he had provided to the Vice President, and that other members of the administration frankly went out and publicly repeated. Which is that he had not discussed a certain topic in his conversations with the Russian ambassador. And so when General Flynn clarified his comments that “it’s possible” and that he “could not recall” that accelerated matters in a way that was different.

It is…

And that’s where we are today.

It is a fact that the Justice Department did tell the White House Counsel Don McGahn that information almost three weeks ago. Final question you said late yesterday afternoon that “the President had full confidence in General Flynn”. How could that be true?

The President is very loyal. It just became unsustainable and the President late last night accepted the resignation of General Flynn. Today he’s moving on, he, er, it just became clear that we’ll need to have acting, acting National Security Advisor General Keith Kellogg in the role. He’s uh been working very closely with the President for a number of months. And then uh and then of course we’ve been talking about a former navy seal and Vice Admiral Harward and David Petraeus as well, General Petraeus as possible permanent replacements.

Kellyanne Conway thanks very much.

Thanks George.


i really appreciate that you typed it all out, i can't access the video atm . to clarify, i thought she was being interviewed by Matt Lauer. did she consistently call him George? or did they introduce a third party?

I don't recognize interviewers unfortunately, no idea who she was talking with. But she seemed to believe he was called George.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 16:25:35
February 14 2017 16:25 GMT
#137369

VIDEO
House Intel Chair Won’t Probe Trump Over Flynn Resignation, May Investigate Leaks to Press
Justin Baragona

The morning after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned amid a firestorm of controversy over his dealings with Russia, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stated that he won’t be probing President Donald Trump over his discussions with Flynn. However, he is interested in looking at something else — leaks to the press.

According to CNN’s Manu Raju, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) spoke to reporters this morning on Capitol Hill and cited executive privilege as covering Trump regarding his conversations with his NSA. At the same time, Nunes said that he is “very concerned with the leaks” surrounding Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador and that is something he “wants to look into.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-wont-probe-trump-over-flynn-resignation-may-investigate-leaks-to-press/
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 14 2017 16:26 GMT
#137370
On February 15 2017 01:10 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 00:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Full interview, this whole defense seems like they are trying to prevent more digging.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/831484037072044032

This was so much fun that I typed up a transcript.
Show nested quote +
Kellyanne thank you for joining us this morning

Good morning

Of course the big story today General Michael Flynn. So the White House was told by the Justice Department last month that Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail yet he stayed in the job for what, 17 days after the warning from the Justice Department, why?

George, the General Flynn continued on the National Security team and kept doing the presidential briefing on the leader calls, we are aware of the Justice Department opinion but the fact is that not until yesterday er General Flynn continued in his job when it became increasingly unsustainable for him.

I understand that, but that’s my question. The question is why? The White House Counsel was told by Sally Yates of the Justice Department that the General Flynn was vulnerable to Russian blackmail. Did the White House Counsel tell President Trump that?

I don’t know the answer to that. And President Trump has asked me to join you today to say that he accepted the resignation of General Flynn and really the key here in that resignation is very simple. It’s that the Vice President, Mike Pence, was misled by General Flynn, or General Flynn could not completely recall what his conversations had been with the Russian ambassador.

But you knew that! But Kellyanne the White House knew that almost three weeks ago. They knew that after the Justice Department told the White House Counsel Don McGahn almost three weeks ago that General Flynn had not told the truth about those phone calls and was vulnerable to Russian blackmail.

Well these are what are in printed reports. But the fact is that I can’t reveal what the White House knew, or didn’t know, or who in the White House knew or didn’t know. All I can tell you is that General Flynn as the National Security Adviser to the President continued in that role and uh the President also is wants me to refer everyone to the comments of Charles Krauthammer on a different network wherein he makes the point that it’s not this contact or this incident necessarily it’s the misleading of the Vice President or the incomplete information, it’s either it’s it’s being dishonest or forgetful.

Well I….

And I beg to say that General Flynn had a thirty plus year honorable career in the military he’s one of the int… chief intelligence officers key intelligence officers of a generation and uh we’re sorry for this situation but the President accepted his resignation and he’s moving on.

But I understand what you’re saying there Kellyanne but this is exactly the point. Three weeks ago the Justice Department told the White House that General Flynn was misleading the Vice President, was misleading the public, about his contacts with the Russians. You had that information. The White House had that information, chose to keep General Flynn in his job, chose not to correct the record, chose not to tell the public, what they knew about General Flynn’s phone calls. How could that be?

But George again, I’m not here to say who knew what when because first of all that would be divulging information that is highly sensitive and secondly I don’t know all the details. I haven’t spoken to everyone that you’re talking about in that instance. It’s a very fluid situation, it was obviously very fluid into the night, we were here very late last night. The upshot of it is that General Flynn did have a conversation with Vice President Pence apart from what you’re saying in printed reports and General Flynn assured Vice President Pence um, something that turned out to not be true. And that’s really the key here. That General Flynn in the end decided that he was a lightning rod, that he did not want to be a distraction and he turned in his resignation last night because because what he had provided the Vice President either was a product of misleading information or forgetfulness, neither one was sustainable long term.

Kellyanne I’ve got to get to the bottom of this here. You asked to come on this morning at the President’s request, the President wants you to come out and speak for the White House this morning. Do you know if the President was told three weeks ago when Sally Yates told the White House Counsel that General Flynn had been compromised, do you know if the President was told that?

I do not know that George.

Do you know if the Vice President was told that?

I do not know that.

Do you know why the White House chose not to correct the record for those three weeks?

Well again you’re presuming that all the information that you have there is completely factual and who knew what when and this is very fluid. I mean the bottom line is that as time wore on and everybody continued in their roles it became increasingly apparent uh particularly over the weekend when General Flynn clarified his own earlier statement George, a statement that he had provided to the Vice President, and that other members of the administration frankly went out and publicly repeated. Which is that he had not discussed a certain topic in his conversations with the Russian ambassador. And so when General Flynn clarified his comments that “it’s possible” and that he “could not recall” that accelerated matters in a way that was different.

It is…

And that’s where we are today.

It is a fact that the Justice Department did tell the White House Counsel Don McGahn that information almost three weeks ago. Final question you said late yesterday afternoon that “the President had full confidence in General Flynn”. How could that be true?

The President is very loyal. It just became unsustainable and the President late last night accepted the resignation of General Flynn. Today he’s moving on, he, er, it just became clear that we’ll need to have acting, acting National Security Advisor General Keith Kellogg in the role. He’s uh been working very closely with the President for a number of months. And then uh and then of course we’ve been talking about a former navy seal and Vice Admiral Harward and David Petraeus as well, General Petraeus as possible permanent replacements.

Kellyanne Conway thanks very much.

Thanks George.

It's amazing they even give airtime to Conway anymore. Everything I've seen of her is her filling the interview with words until time is up and she hasn't said anything nor answered any question. It's practically useless to ask her something.

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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22459 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 16:29:15
February 14 2017 16:27 GMT
#137371
On February 15 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +

VIDEO
House Intel Chair Won’t Probe Trump Over Flynn Resignation, May Investigate Leaks to Press
Justin Baragona

The morning after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned amid a firestorm of controversy over his dealings with Russia, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stated that he won’t be probing President Donald Trump over his discussions with Flynn. However, he is interested in looking at something else — leaks to the press.

According to CNN’s Manu Raju, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) spoke to reporters this morning on Capitol Hill and cited executive privilege as covering Trump regarding his conversations with his NSA. At the same time, Nunes said that he is “very concerned with the leaks” surrounding Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador and that is something he “wants to look into.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-wont-probe-trump-over-flynn-resignation-may-investigate-leaks-to-press/

Oh look, the Republicans are still willing to cover up any potential scandal.
Color me surprised.

A whistleblower for actual misconduct is much more important to find then the National Security Advisor being a leak directly to the Kremlin.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 16:34 GMT
#137372
I'm enjoying this leak-heavy presidency so far.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 14 2017 16:37 GMT
#137373
On February 15 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +

VIDEO
House Intel Chair Won’t Probe Trump Over Flynn Resignation, May Investigate Leaks to Press
Justin Baragona

The morning after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned amid a firestorm of controversy over his dealings with Russia, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stated that he won’t be probing President Donald Trump over his discussions with Flynn. However, he is interested in looking at something else — leaks to the press.

According to CNN’s Manu Raju, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) spoke to reporters this morning on Capitol Hill and cited executive privilege as covering Trump regarding his conversations with his NSA. At the same time, Nunes said that he is “very concerned with the leaks” surrounding Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador and that is something he “wants to look into.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-wont-probe-trump-over-flynn-resignation-may-investigate-leaks-to-press/


I agree, we should definitely look into the people leaking so that they can get a medal for getting a shitty liar kicked out of the government.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 16:37 GMT
#137374
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Tuesday that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was asked to resign from his position by the President, contradicting comments from White House adviser Kellyanne Conway earlier Tuesday morning.

At a press briefing with Republican leadership on Tuesday, Ryan was asked about Flynn’s resignation. The retired general tendered his resignation in a letter on Monday night.

“Let me take a step back for a second. National security is perhaps the most important function or responsibility a president has, and I think the President made the right decision to ask for his resignation,” he said. “You cannot have a national security adviser misleading the Vice President and others.”

“So I think the President was right to ask for his resignation, and I believe it was the right thing to do,” he said again.

But during an interview hours earlier on NBC’s “Today," White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said that Flynn resigned voluntarily.

"The President is very loyal. He’s a very loyal person. And by nighttime, Mike Flynn had decided it was best to resign. He knew he became a lightning rod, and he made that decision," she said.

Representatives from Ryan’s office and the White House did not immediately respond to TPM’s request for comment.

On Thursday, the Washington Post reported that Flynn had discussed sanctions in a call with the Russian ambassador to the United States before Trump’s inauguration. Vice President Pence had defended Flynn against charges of wrongdoing in subsequent interviews, but in his letter of resignation, Flynn admitted that he had “inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information” after the call.

On Monday, the Post reported that then-acting Attorney General Sally Yates had warned the White House in January that Flynn could be vulnerable to blackmail from Russia.


Source
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 16:41 GMT
#137375
On February 15 2017 01:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:

VIDEO
House Intel Chair Won’t Probe Trump Over Flynn Resignation, May Investigate Leaks to Press
Justin Baragona

The morning after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned amid a firestorm of controversy over his dealings with Russia, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stated that he won’t be probing President Donald Trump over his discussions with Flynn. However, he is interested in looking at something else — leaks to the press.

According to CNN’s Manu Raju, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) spoke to reporters this morning on Capitol Hill and cited executive privilege as covering Trump regarding his conversations with his NSA. At the same time, Nunes said that he is “very concerned with the leaks” surrounding Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador and that is something he “wants to look into.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-wont-probe-trump-over-flynn-resignation-may-investigate-leaks-to-press/


I agree, we should definitely look into the people leaking so that they can get a medal for getting a shitty liar kicked out of the government.

There are plenty more liars to go around. The problem comes from the top, so this and that person being removed won't change the course of events all that much.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 16:44 GMT
#137376
trump was right, republicans are cucks
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 14 2017 16:46 GMT
#137377
Why are normal GOP representatives not more critical of this whole Russia love affair? I can imagine Putin working his way to the current leadership but run of the mill dude from Alabama or something should surely be worried about something like this?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 14 2017 16:49 GMT
#137378
On February 15 2017 01:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why are normal GOP representatives not more critical of this whole Russia love affair? I can imagine Putin working his way to the current leadership but run of the mill dude from Alabama or something should surely be worried about something like this?

Precisely because of
You have your "facts" in your printed media and we have our facts in the White House and I cannot comment on your "facts" but the fact of the matter is that our facts have become unsustainable and due to the acceleration of the decline of our facts Flynn has had to resign to avoid becoming a lightning rod for your printed media "facts".


In the eyes of the Trump electorate, issue resolved. Flynn resigned because he was hounded by the media, the main opposition party, who want to stop Trump from making America great again.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 16:55:40
February 14 2017 16:52 GMT
#137379
On February 15 2017 01:41 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 01:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 15 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:

VIDEO
House Intel Chair Won’t Probe Trump Over Flynn Resignation, May Investigate Leaks to Press
Justin Baragona

The morning after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned amid a firestorm of controversy over his dealings with Russia, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee stated that he won’t be probing President Donald Trump over his discussions with Flynn. However, he is interested in looking at something else — leaks to the press.

According to CNN’s Manu Raju, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) spoke to reporters this morning on Capitol Hill and cited executive privilege as covering Trump regarding his conversations with his NSA. At the same time, Nunes said that he is “very concerned with the leaks” surrounding Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador and that is something he “wants to look into.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-intel-chair-wont-probe-trump-over-flynn-resignation-may-investigate-leaks-to-press/


I agree, we should definitely look into the people leaking so that they can get a medal for getting a shitty liar kicked out of the government.

There are plenty more liars to go around. The problem comes from the top, so this and that person being removed won't change the course of events all that much.


At least his replacement is unlikely to be quite as shitty a liar (unless they really do go with Patreus)-the longer Trump stays in Washington, the less likely campaign assistants secure positions.

On February 15 2017 01:49 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 01:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why are normal GOP representatives not more critical of this whole Russia love affair? I can imagine Putin working his way to the current leadership but run of the mill dude from Alabama or something should surely be worried about something like this?

Precisely because of
Show nested quote +
You have your "facts" in your printed media and we have our facts in the White House and I cannot comment on your "facts" but the fact of the matter is that our facts have become unsustainable and due to the acceleration of the decline of our facts Flynn has had to resign to avoid becoming a lightning rod for your printed media "facts".


In the eyes of the Trump electorate, issue resolved. Flynn resigned because he was hounded by the media, the main opposition party, who want to stop Trump from making America great again.


That and there's no real win for your representative from Alabama crapping on Flynn. Flynn's gone. Other people will hound Trump and co. if they really believe he needs to have his boots held to the fire. Kinda like not whining to your professor about an unfair test when you know someone else will do it for you.

Better off making some offhand comments that make the rabid Trump fans feel better. I think most of the GOP have figured out how to stay just close enough to Trump to not get burned but ride the wave. Easier than trying to do that with the Tea Party, I think.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 16:58 GMT
#137380
On February 15 2017 01:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why are normal GOP representatives not more critical of this whole Russia love affair? I can imagine Putin working his way to the current leadership but run of the mill dude from Alabama or something should surely be worried about something like this?

Because then they would make an enemy of the White House before going through with all those promises that got them elected. And without the white house, they can’t get anything done. Well they could, but they would need the Democrats.

So rather than make deals with the Democrats and govern, they will just turn a blind eye to the whole Russian thing. Its been their plan since Trump became the nominee. I just don’t think they planned on the White House being so leaky or this incompetent.
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