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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 14:01 GMT
#137341
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:04:07
February 14 2017 14:01 GMT
#137342
On February 14 2017 22:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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The “global gag rule” imposed by Donald Trump, blocking US funds to any organisation involved in abortion advice and care overseas, could impact millions of women and girls, endangering their lives and those of their babies, Bill and Melinda Gates have warned.

The changes are expected to result in funding from the world’s biggest donor to family planning and women’s health programmes in the developing world being slashed. It could, Bill Gates told the Guardian, “create a void that even a foundation like ours can’t fill”.

Gates and his wife spoke out as they published a progress letter to Warren Buffett, the businessman who 10 years ago invested a large part of his fortune in the couple’s foundation which has at its centre the mission to save children’s lives. Empowering women and girls, the couple said, was central to that aim.

Trump signed an executive order reimposing the Mexico City policy, also known as the global gag rule, on his first full day in office. Republican presidents since Ronald Reagan in 1984 have imposed the policy, while their Democrat counterparts have lifted it. The rule strips funds from any organisation that “performs or actively promotes abortion as a method of family planning” overseas.

But Trump’s order goes further, applied to any organisation that receives funding from US Aid , not just those involved in family planning. That expansion, said Melinda Gates, was a surprise.

“We’re concerned that this shift could impact millions of women and girls around the world,” she said. “It’s likely to have a negative effect on a broad range of health programs that provide lifesaving treatment and prevention options to those most in need.

“This includes programmes that prevent and treat HIV, TB and malaria, and provide healthcare to women and children around the world. Enabling women to time and space their pregnancies and providing access to treatment and prevention of infectious diseases is lifesaving work. It saves moms’ lives and it saves babies’ lives, and that has long had wide support in the United States.”

Bill Gates said their foundation would not be able to bridge the potential funding gap. “The US is the No 1 donor in the work that we do. Government aid can’t be replaced by philanthropy. When government leaves an area like that, it can’t be offset, there isn’t a real alternative. This expansion of this policy, depending on how it’s implemented, could create a void that even a foundation like ours can’t fill.”

He had an early phone call with Trump in November and then a meeting in December with the president-elect in New York, he told the Guardian. They talked about the eradication of polio, which Gates hopes could come as early as this year, and the research his foundation is supporting towards an Aids vaccine and ways to protect people from pandemics such as Ebola in west Africa.

“So that was a good discussion – the fact that he was interested in having me talk about the Foundation’s work – I was pleased,” said Gates.

But the philanthropist did not anticipate the scope of the executive order affecting family planning, an issue at the centre of the foundation’s work, that Trump was to sign.


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good. neoliberal hillary stooges like gates need to get punished.

btw the flynn thing only matters insofar as it removes someone who has counterintel experience(though flynn himself got caught stealing stuff way back when) so the likelihood of getting trump on something bad goes up a bit.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14107 Posts
February 14 2017 14:08 GMT
#137343
On February 14 2017 22:57 biology]major wrote:
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On February 14 2017 22:50 Sermokala wrote:
If Sally Yates didn't want to defend the EO she should have resigned. Instead she decided to go against the duly elected representative and throw the justice department into temporary chaos.

No one will talk about her in a month. Most people stooped talking about her days after she was fired. No ones talking about warren's "censure-ship" over the letter she wanted to read anymore.


And what "courage" does it take when you are going to be replaced in a few days by Trump appointment regardless of what you do? What she did was neither brave or correct.

Its brave and correct to not do what you feel is legaly or moraly wrong in your duty. If she had just resigned in protest it would be a much different story if she didn't decide to go into the busienss for herself and pull a stupid stunt like directing the justice department to do something that would be countermanded in a matter of hours.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
February 14 2017 14:30 GMT
#137344
On February 14 2017 23:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/831476776517898240

Why does the White House have 2 spokespeople? Why do these two people not agree with one another? And why are they both bad at their job?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:35:26
February 14 2017 14:30 GMT
#137345
On February 14 2017 14:24 cLutZ wrote:
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On February 14 2017 13:55 Plansix wrote:


Scott Detrow of NPR pointing out that the fake news defense has limits. Much like crying wolf.

He covers congress and is a good follow on twitter. Mostly news and talking to other reporters.

Yes, the limits are basically whether it actually is fake news (aka the Buzzfeed/Tapper report), unsourced "reports" that always seem to be 50/50 on whether its just musings of drunk ex-Clinton staffer, or actually veritably true.

Also I always love the armchair Logan Act attorneys that pop up from time to time. If that law was actually Constitutional you'd think someone would have gone down for it during the Cold War. From Ted Kennedy, to the 1984 Letter to Ortega, to Henry Kissinger, to John Kerry. But sure, this is gonna be the time!


You realize that the unsourced reports were what started this whole story, right? It's not like anyone went on record confirming the FBI had wiretaps demonstrating Flynn had lied to Pence about discussing sanctions. There's no way for us to verify these stories were true any more than there was a way for us to verify the dossier was an appendix to docs briefing Trump (shockingly, both turned out to be true because people don't fabricate sources when they work at real papers).

Also, clearly Trump picks the best people. I can't remember who it was in the thread that wanted a Flynn running mate at one point, but that would clearly have been a disaster judging by how he couldn't even last a month.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:40:47
February 14 2017 14:34 GMT
#137346
the dossier is raw intel. it is indicative of what hum sources say. it is not some sort of reporting story where there is an assumed assertive warrant of truth.

take it for what it's worth, depending on your knowledge of the sources.

it is not unsourced. they separated the sources file becuz they are the assets of the private firm. the public just dont have the capacity to evaluate the sources
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:43:53
February 14 2017 14:41 GMT
#137347
I questioned pence when trump chose him for vp, but what do I know? Looking back that was an excellent pick. Also Flynn's resignation means someone more competent will take his place, and I think Mattis is going to be giving Trump some recommendations on people he trusts. Mattis and Kelly are the best part of this cabinet and I hope trump can rely on them for advice.

Priebus, bannon, Conway, spicer, and Flynn all seem to be nutcases and unfortunately I think one of them is doing the leaking. Trump needs to find the mole.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:45:37
February 14 2017 14:43 GMT
#137348
mattis isnt going to get much influence lul. you'll see.

or you can see already
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9641 Posts
February 14 2017 14:47 GMT
#137349
On February 14 2017 23:08 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 22:57 biology]major wrote:
On February 14 2017 22:50 Sermokala wrote:
If Sally Yates didn't want to defend the EO she should have resigned. Instead she decided to go against the duly elected representative and throw the justice department into temporary chaos.

No one will talk about her in a month. Most people stooped talking about her days after she was fired. No ones talking about warren's "censure-ship" over the letter she wanted to read anymore.


And what "courage" does it take when you are going to be replaced in a few days by Trump appointment regardless of what you do? What she did was neither brave or correct.

Its brave and correct to not do what you feel is legaly or moraly wrong in your duty. If she had just resigned in protest it would be a much different story if she didn't decide to go into the busienss for herself and pull a stupid stunt like directing the justice department to do something that would be countermanded in a matter of hours.

frankly i don't see how this lone paragraph isn't contradictory. you find it her moral and legal obligation to abide the laws as she interprets them and then a sentence later expect her to condone it insofar as allow the just dept to carry out what she believes is unconstitutional?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:48:10
February 14 2017 14:47 GMT
#137350
I don't think any of the big people are doing the leaking. It's the little people that actually have to do work every day and hate working for an executive they see as incompetent and short-sighted that will leak. Especially considering that these leaks were about stuff that happened last month, so it could be some people that were hit by the purge.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 14 2017 14:47 GMT
#137351
if anything, yates baited trump pretty hard. she could been a nice and docile and just refused and resigned (if only women did what the men wanted!), but instead she made a public announcement and trump looks like a reactionary nitwit, which is further compounded by her warning about flynn turning out to be right.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 14 2017 14:48 GMT
#137352
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 14:48 GMT
#137353
btw leftists who defend trash like greenwald etc, look where your heroes are at. lol just lol
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 14:49 GMT
#137354
Pence was a bad governor and will be a bad VP. The common theme a lot of Trump’s inner circle is that they were bad at their last job and left trail of destruction behind them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 14 2017 14:52 GMT
#137355
On February 14 2017 23:49 Plansix wrote:
Pence was a bad governor and will be a bad VP. The common theme a lot of Trump’s inner circle is that they were bad at their last job and left trail of destruction behind them.


Did you pay attention to the campaign? No person has trumpslained at such a high level, not even Conway. He was loyal, articulate and stood by trump through the entire mess. Now in the White House he is the mediator between trump and the establishment. You can't ask for more from a vp, who's job is already irrelevant unless the most extreme circumstances.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 14:57:18
February 14 2017 14:53 GMT
#137356
pence wasnt a good pick because of his skills at growing the economy or actually making people's lives better, but he is socially conservative enough to make the ticket palatable to a lot of people who might have stayed home. plus he looks presidential.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18275 Posts
February 14 2017 14:58 GMT
#137357
On February 14 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.

Doesn't any appointee need to go through Senate confirmation again? Would the Republicans in Senate ever confirm Petraeus after badgering Clinton for an entire campaign season over the email scandal? The attack ads write themselves...
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 14:59 GMT
#137358
On February 14 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.

they'll go over his head when they feel like doing so.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 15:08:54
February 14 2017 15:08 GMT
#137359
trump the huge cuck lmfao

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/14/national/politics-diplomacy/abe-says-trump-encouraged-boost-ties-dialogue-putin/#.WKKf4GQrK2z

america to toilet
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 14 2017 15:13 GMT
#137360
On February 14 2017 23:58 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 23:48 biology]major wrote:
Bob Harward is basically a Mattis recommendation, and he's most likely going to get the job. Petraeus might also get it but he's got the clinton baggage w/ classified information.

Doesn't any appointee need to go through Senate confirmation again? Would the Republicans in Senate ever confirm Petraeus after badgering Clinton for an entire campaign season over the email scandal? The attack ads write themselves...


No this position does not need senate confirmation
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