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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 14 2017 05:24 GMT
#137321
On February 14 2017 13:55 Plansix wrote:


Scott Detrow of NPR pointing out that the fake news defense has limits. Much like crying wolf.

He covers congress and is a good follow on twitter. Mostly news and talking to other reporters.

Yes, the limits are basically whether it actually is fake news (aka the Buzzfeed/Tapper report), unsourced "reports" that always seem to be 50/50 on whether its just musings of drunk ex-Clinton staffer, or actually veritably true.

Also I always love the armchair Logan Act attorneys that pop up from time to time. If that law was actually Constitutional you'd think someone would have gone down for it during the Cold War. From Ted Kennedy, to the 1984 Letter to Ortega, to Henry Kissinger, to John Kerry. But sure, this is gonna be the time!
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
February 14 2017 05:56 GMT
#137322
Sally Yates should drink for free in any bar she steps in across America.

Warns POTUS about potential liability in his own cabinet, then refuses to defend unconstitutional EO in court. Promptly fired. Vindicated in both instances after just a few weeks.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 06:01 GMT
#137323
Treasury and VA Secretaries confirmed while we were watching Flynn.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 14 2017 06:07 GMT
#137324
On February 14 2017 15:01 LegalLord wrote:
Treasury and VA Secretaries confirmed while we were watching Flynn.



VA completely noncontroversial. Obama appointee in the VA. appointed unanimously. Treasury has problems but not especially vulnerable. I'll try to hold judgement until he does anything.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
February 14 2017 07:10 GMT
#137325
Sally Yates \o/
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
February 14 2017 09:15 GMT
#137326
On February 14 2017 14:56 p4NDemik wrote:
Sally Yates should drink for free in any bar she steps in across America.

Warns POTUS about potential liability in his own cabinet, then refuses to defend unconstitutional EO in court. Promptly fired. Vindicated in both instances after just a few weeks.

Afaik, the question of the merits of the EO hasn't been decided yet? The way I understand it, the TRO and the refusal to grant a stay on said TRO show that it's potentially unconstitutional.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
February 14 2017 09:32 GMT
#137327
On February 14 2017 14:17 LegalLord wrote:
Too late, she betrayed her line of duty, she gone. No reputation left to salvage.

Its not about salvaging her reputation. Its another note in a long list that Trump knew what was going on with Flynn and ignored it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8222 Posts
February 14 2017 09:52 GMT
#137328
On February 14 2017 14:56 p4NDemik wrote:
Sally Yates should drink for free in any bar she steps in across America.

Warns POTUS about potential liability in his own cabinet, then refuses to defend unconstitutional EO in court. Promptly fired. Vindicated in both instances after just a few weeks.

If anything she proved she was the right person for the job, which means she was not the right person for the job since Trump's little game is to name only incompetent morons and psychos for the top positions of his administration.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
February 14 2017 11:39 GMT
#137329
Folks talking shit about Sally Yates aren't recognizing that the AG is not the President's lawyer, the AG is the chief lawyer for the federal government at large.

I expect we'll see more of Ms. Yates.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
February 14 2017 11:45 GMT
#137330
On February 14 2017 18:52 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 14:56 p4NDemik wrote:
Sally Yates should drink for free in any bar she steps in across America.

Warns POTUS about potential liability in his own cabinet, then refuses to defend unconstitutional EO in court. Promptly fired. Vindicated in both instances after just a few weeks.

If anything she proved she was the right person for the job, which means she was not the right person for the job since Trump's little game is to name only incompetent morons and psychos for the top positions of his administration.

Well, I think the incompetence and psychos comes with Trump wanting yes-men(women) to rubber stamp anything he decides is correct.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 12:23 GMT
#137331
House conservatives — anxious that the GOP’s effort to end Obamacare is getting bogged down in the fight over what a replacement should look like — are plotting a major push to repeal the law immediately without simultaneously approving an alternative.

The House Freedom Caucus and a number of Republican Study Committee members this week will urge Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his lieutenants to forego their plan to add replacement provisions to a repeal bill, dubbed “repeal-plus.” Instead, they want to approve the same standalone repeal bill that Congress sent to President Barack Obama in 2016.

“Instead of continuing to spin our wheels, we need a starting place,” said Republican Study Committee Chairman Mark Walker (R-N.C.) in a brief interview Monday evening. “What the Senate passed in October 2015 is the best starting place… Let’s get that on that on the books, then we can move quickly after that to put in replacement components.”

The stand by several dozen hardliners comes as House GOP leaders were planning to outline the main planks of a replacement blueprint at a series of informational sessions with rank and file member Tuesday and Thursday. The position is at odds with GOP leadership’s latest strategy to load up a spring repeal bill — which could pass both chambers on party lines using a tool called reconciliation — with as many replacement provisions as possible.

The split in the conference s shows that even after six years of demanding repeal — and a month of unified government — Republicans are still struggling to get on the same page on how to do it. Some are urging patience and deliberation, while others are increasingly restless the all-GOP Congress risks blowing an opportunity to kill the health care law if they don’t move quickly. President Donald Trump has sent conflicting signals, initially saying he wants Congress to act immediately but then cautioning the process could take all year.

Conservatives say they’re not necessarily opposed to all of leaderships’ replacement provisions but worry that adding them to the reconciliation bill will drag the process out for weeks and months.

“Functionally, [our idea] eliminates some of the excuses for our Senate colleagues; if they voted on this then, there is no reason they can’t vote on it now,” said House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) “I think a lot of people are looking to some of the policy debates to be an excuse not to vote on repealing the Affordable Care Act.”

Conservatives say they could have as many as 50 House Republicans who agree with them and are shopping the idea around this week in an effort to build more support.

It's unclear, however, if they would vote against a leadership-sponsored package that adds replacement provisions to the repeal bill. Two GOP leadership sources said the push from conservatives would not likely change the current strategy to package repeal and replacement provisions together.


Source
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
February 14 2017 12:25 GMT
#137332
In related news, the Virginia AG successfully obtained a preliminary injunction against Trump's EO in the Eastern District of Virginia, meaning that instead of being subject to the typical 14-21 day duration of a TRO, Trump's EO will be enjoined for a number of months because preliminary injunctions last for the duration of the underlying lawsuit.

Again, for those looking for organized resistance against Trump, one need look no further than the Democratic state AGs
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12076 Posts
February 14 2017 12:30 GMT
#137333
On February 14 2017 21:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
House conservatives — anxious that the GOP’s effort to end Obamacare is getting bogged down in the fight over what a replacement should look like — are plotting a major push to repeal the law immediately without simultaneously approving an alternative.

The House Freedom Caucus and a number of Republican Study Committee members this week will urge Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his lieutenants to forego their plan to add replacement provisions to a repeal bill, dubbed “repeal-plus.” Instead, they want to approve the same standalone repeal bill that Congress sent to President Barack Obama in 2016.

“Instead of continuing to spin our wheels, we need a starting place,” said Republican Study Committee Chairman Mark Walker (R-N.C.) in a brief interview Monday evening. “What the Senate passed in October 2015 is the best starting place… Let’s get that on that on the books, then we can move quickly after that to put in replacement components.”

The stand by several dozen hardliners comes as House GOP leaders were planning to outline the main planks of a replacement blueprint at a series of informational sessions with rank and file member Tuesday and Thursday. The position is at odds with GOP leadership’s latest strategy to load up a spring repeal bill — which could pass both chambers on party lines using a tool called reconciliation — with as many replacement provisions as possible.

The split in the conference s shows that even after six years of demanding repeal — and a month of unified government — Republicans are still struggling to get on the same page on how to do it. Some are urging patience and deliberation, while others are increasingly restless the all-GOP Congress risks blowing an opportunity to kill the health care law if they don’t move quickly. President Donald Trump has sent conflicting signals, initially saying he wants Congress to act immediately but then cautioning the process could take all year.

Conservatives say they’re not necessarily opposed to all of leaderships’ replacement provisions but worry that adding them to the reconciliation bill will drag the process out for weeks and months.

“Functionally, [our idea] eliminates some of the excuses for our Senate colleagues; if they voted on this then, there is no reason they can’t vote on it now,” said House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) “I think a lot of people are looking to some of the policy debates to be an excuse not to vote on repealing the Affordable Care Act.”

Conservatives say they could have as many as 50 House Republicans who agree with them and are shopping the idea around this week in an effort to build more support.

It's unclear, however, if they would vote against a leadership-sponsored package that adds replacement provisions to the repeal bill. Two GOP leadership sources said the push from conservatives would not likely change the current strategy to package repeal and replacement provisions together.


Source


Genius.

We don't have a plan to replace it, but lets remove it anyways. We will totally instantly think of something better afterwards, despite the fact that we have not managed to come up with anything for the last 6 years.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 12:34 GMT
#137334
The Freedom Caucus has never been about responsible governance or helping anyone. They don't want to replace it. They want it to fail so their god, the free market, can save them.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 13:14 GMT
#137335
the aca was not a smart bill politically. yea, we need to respect experts more, but when it comes to the aca it was a bit too oblivious wonky.

the mandates were very triggering for the kind of conservatives that get worked up about evil government. if it's not killed entirely, i think it's close to 100% that the employer mandate will be replaced with something else, but the individual mandate on young people will stay.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
February 14 2017 13:27 GMT
#137336


lmaoo lock him up
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 13:33 GMT
#137337
The “global gag rule” imposed by Donald Trump, blocking US funds to any organisation involved in abortion advice and care overseas, could impact millions of women and girls, endangering their lives and those of their babies, Bill and Melinda Gates have warned.

The changes are expected to result in funding from the world’s biggest donor to family planning and women’s health programmes in the developing world being slashed. It could, Bill Gates told the Guardian, “create a void that even a foundation like ours can’t fill”.

Gates and his wife spoke out as they published a progress letter to Warren Buffett, the businessman who 10 years ago invested a large part of his fortune in the couple’s foundation which has at its centre the mission to save children’s lives. Empowering women and girls, the couple said, was central to that aim.

Trump signed an executive order reimposing the Mexico City policy, also known as the global gag rule, on his first full day in office. Republican presidents since Ronald Reagan in 1984 have imposed the policy, while their Democrat counterparts have lifted it. The rule strips funds from any organisation that “performs or actively promotes abortion as a method of family planning” overseas.

But Trump’s order goes further, applied to any organisation that receives funding from US Aid , not just those involved in family planning. That expansion, said Melinda Gates, was a surprise.

“We’re concerned that this shift could impact millions of women and girls around the world,” she said. “It’s likely to have a negative effect on a broad range of health programs that provide lifesaving treatment and prevention options to those most in need.

“This includes programmes that prevent and treat HIV, TB and malaria, and provide healthcare to women and children around the world. Enabling women to time and space their pregnancies and providing access to treatment and prevention of infectious diseases is lifesaving work. It saves moms’ lives and it saves babies’ lives, and that has long had wide support in the United States.”

Bill Gates said their foundation would not be able to bridge the potential funding gap. “The US is the No 1 donor in the work that we do. Government aid can’t be replaced by philanthropy. When government leaves an area like that, it can’t be offset, there isn’t a real alternative. This expansion of this policy, depending on how it’s implemented, could create a void that even a foundation like ours can’t fill.”

He had an early phone call with Trump in November and then a meeting in December with the president-elect in New York, he told the Guardian. They talked about the eradication of polio, which Gates hopes could come as early as this year, and the research his foundation is supporting towards an Aids vaccine and ways to protect people from pandemics such as Ebola in west Africa.

“So that was a good discussion – the fact that he was interested in having me talk about the Foundation’s work – I was pleased,” said Gates.

But the philanthropist did not anticipate the scope of the executive order affecting family planning, an issue at the centre of the foundation’s work, that Trump was to sign.


Source
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
February 14 2017 13:50 GMT
#137338
If Sally Yates didn't want to defend the EO she should have resigned. Instead she decided to go against the duly elected representative and throw the justice department into temporary chaos.

No one will talk about her in a month. Most people stooped talking about her days after she was fired. No ones talking about warren's "censure-ship" over the letter she wanted to read anymore.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 14 2017 13:52 GMT
#137339
sally yates good and righteous
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 13:58:11
February 14 2017 13:57 GMT
#137340
On February 14 2017 22:50 Sermokala wrote:
If Sally Yates didn't want to defend the EO she should have resigned. Instead she decided to go against the duly elected representative and throw the justice department into temporary chaos.

No one will talk about her in a month. Most people stooped talking about her days after she was fired. No ones talking about warren's "censure-ship" over the letter she wanted to read anymore.


And what "courage" does it take when you are going to be replaced in a few days by Trump appointment regardless of what you do? What she did was neither brave or correct.
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