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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 14 2017 04:17 GMT
#137301
looks like a routine and boring meeting.
the only noteworthy thing is trump not screwing it up.
you can't expect people to pay attention to trump doing passably.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 04:18:17
February 14 2017 04:17 GMT
#137302
Also a reminder if the US had a European style of Government say like France, or Italy. We would be having elections well under way.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 04:20:37
February 14 2017 04:18 GMT
#137303
On February 14 2017 13:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No the problem just got even bigger. What did the President know and when did he know it, 1 month in after his swearing in.

Jesus fucking Christ. This is a train wreck.

We are all getting was we deserve, a chance to touch the stove.

On February 14 2017 13:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also a reminder if the US had a European style of Government say like France, or Italy. We would be having elections well under way.

https://twitter.com/dataeditor/status/831355724223619072


A special reminder that our government would never have been created if we attempted to form a national parliament, rather than nation of states.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
February 14 2017 04:20 GMT
#137304
On February 14 2017 13:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Flynn has resigned.

Okay, now does he get prosecuted is the next question. Wasn't some of the stuff he's accused of pretty illegal?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 14 2017 04:21 GMT
#137305
I think the law he broke was pretty minor and has never been successfully prosecuted in the history of the US so no.
Question.?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 04:25 GMT
#137306
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 04:27 GMT
#137307
Hopefully whoever replaces Flynn is sufficiently compromised for the task at hand.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 04:31 GMT
#137308
That twitter account is such a hot pile if shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
February 14 2017 04:38 GMT
#137309
On February 14 2017 13:06 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 13:02 mikedebo wrote:
Meanwhile, while you all are tackling issues that underlie how democracy works, our prime minister is being praised for how well he prepared to shake hands with President Trump lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/13/justin-trudeau-becomes-latest-world-leader-brave-trumps-awkward/

For those in the US: what kinds of things did you take away from the press conference with Trudeau, if anything? It got tons of coverage here, obviously, and I'm always interested to hear about the on-the-ground impression that Americans have of Canadian relations + events.



I see it as just Trudeau being smart. he doesn't want to antagonize Trump being as they are super close neighbors and stuff. I didn't follow it too much but it seemed to go exactly how I expected it too. not too noteworthy. Play nice be open to talking about NAFTA etc.


I agree. We've had issues with our current PMO kind of not really doing anything and just coasting, but this was one case where being cautious and setting up the event with a lot of filler so that it gave fewer chances for Trump to Trump were very well done.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 04:39 GMT
#137310
On February 14 2017 13:31 Plansix wrote:
That twitter account is such a hot pile if shit.

This is a nice one.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 14 2017 04:42 GMT
#137311
I am actually leaning towards the idea that Trump did not know about what Flynn had done. Flynn is crazy enough to do this sort of thing on his own. Plus I agree with the general sentiment that Trump would not want to fire him this early because it would make him look weak. The fact that he actually did leads me to believe the Flynn did lie to the administration and that both Trump and Pence took it as a personal affront.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
February 14 2017 04:46 GMT
#137312
On February 14 2017 13:42 On_Slaught wrote:
I am actually leaning towards the idea that Trump did not know about what Flynn had done. Flynn is crazy enough to do this sort of thing on his own. Plus I agree with the general sentiment that Trump would not want to fire him this early because it would make him look weak. The fact that he actually did leads me to believe the Flynn did lie to the administration and that both Trump and Pence took it as a personal affront.

We're really committing to "both Trump and Pence had no idea why Russia was intervening so hard in the election in their favour and never thought to question it"? This looks to me an awful lot like a deal was struck. Russia didn't intervene to help Trump win without first naming their price, and Flynn was the intermediary brokering it.

As for Trump firing him. He probably saw a pundit on Fox News saying "Will Trump be manly enough to fire Flynn?" and went with it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2017 04:46 GMT
#137313
On February 14 2017 13:39 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 13:31 Plansix wrote:
That twitter account is such a hot pile if shit.

This is a nice one.
https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/831357619382153216

It is so stupid. There is no way anyone who works at the White House could post this much on twitter. I like my fake twitter accounts to put in more effort. At least the National Park twitter account had good dad jokes and seemed to want to avoid interviews. And stopped after a while.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 04:46 GMT
#137314
FOIA anyone...

In addition, the Army has been investigating whether Mr. Flynn received money from the Russian government during a trip he took to Moscow in 2015, according to two defense officials. Such a payment might violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which prohibits former military officers from receiving money from a foreign government without consent from Congress. The defense officials said there was no record that Mr. Flynn, a retired three-star Army general, filed the required paperwork for the trip.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 04:52 GMT
#137315
I could just imagine a covert intelligence operation by the Russians: "Project Rogue Executive Branch on Twitter."

Sounds like fun.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 04:55:57
February 14 2017 04:55 GMT
#137316


Scott Detrow of NPR pointing out that the fake news defense has limits. Much like crying wolf.

He covers congress and is a good follow on twitter. Mostly news and talking to other reporters.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 14 2017 04:57 GMT
#137317
It's good to see that the Trump team is not completely impervious to proof of wrongdoing. Hopefully the media has more investigations in the pipeline.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-14 05:02:58
February 14 2017 04:59 GMT
#137318
On February 14 2017 13:57 Doodsmack wrote:
It's good to see that the Trump team is not completely impervious to proof of wrongdoing. Hopefully the media has more investigations in the pipeline.

Obama was down right boring compared to this. There are reporters chomping at the bit for hot scoops.

Also, this is the best take on that bullshit twitter account:

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2017 05:11 GMT
#137319
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 14 2017 05:17 GMT
#137320
Too late, she betrayed her line of duty, she gone. No reputation left to salvage.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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