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On January 28 2017 05:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 28 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Here's the point that so many of you miss: every country has the right to pursue its own best interests. America is no different than anyone else in this regard. The US is neither a charity nor a global buffet line. Mexico has unequivocally abused our good will. A debt is owed, and the US has the ability to make them pay for it. Any rational actor pursuing his best interests would do what Trump is doing. Your useless moralizing has no place here. You realize this argument has basically never worked in the history of ever? The only nations that will agree with yours are the ones that want to do the same and grab some territory and resources for themselves through force (e.g. China and Russia). You have it backwards. My argument is how things have always worked historically. The only arguable exception has been during the post-Cold War unipolar world that the US has dominated. This order is clearly ending.
Except you're wrong?
Historically no one has ever bothered with this ass backward attempt to justify taking over another nation, or used convoluted logic to try and justify taking resources. They just invaded with superior power and claimed the land.
Even when Germany was forced to "repay" other nations after WWI, it was because they lost the war.
If your argument is that the US is stronger than Mexico and has the power to take what it wants, okay then. But trying to pretend that Mexico deserves it because they "abused your good will", no one is going to believe it except the US.
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On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place.
By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans.
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On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own.
I seriously gotta ask - are you drunk or high?
Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall.
What on earth are you even talking about? Immigration leads to Feminism which leads to "societies" downfall? How does this even make sense? Is this a next level copy pasta, or is this actually how the average right winger thinks?
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On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own.
I don't agree with all of this, but you are right about one thing in particular: the contamination of the SJW mentality upon the way that Americans see themselves in the world. We should be a proud people. We should be nationalistic. Regardless of the wrongs that we have committed, we should apologize to no one. Democrats and others on the left always cry foul whenever their patriotism is challenged, but the unflinching truth is that those on the left have led many Americans down an irrational path of self-hatred when it comes to their nationality.
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On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans.
You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught.
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On January 28 2017 05:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:32 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 28 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Here's the point that so many of you miss: every country has the right to pursue its own best interests. America is no different than anyone else in this regard. The US is neither a charity nor a global buffet line. Mexico has unequivocally abused our good will. A debt is owed, and the US has the ability to make them pay for it. Any rational actor pursuing his best interests would do what Trump is doing. Your useless moralizing has no place here. You realize this argument has basically never worked in the history of ever? The only nations that will agree with yours are the ones that want to do the same and grab some territory and resources for themselves through force (e.g. China and Russia). You have it backwards. My argument is how things have always worked historically. The only arguable exception has been during the post-Cold War unipolar world that the US has dominated. This order is clearly ending. Except you're wrong? Historically no one has ever bothered with this ass backward attempt to justify taking over another nation, or used convoluted logic to try and justify taking resources. They just invaded with superior power and claimed the land. Even when Germany was forced to "repay" other nations after WWI, it was because they lost the war. If your argument is that the US is stronger than Mexico and has the power to take what it wants, okay then. But trying to pretend that Mexico deserves it because they "abused your good will", no one is going to believe it except the US.
You're misunderstanding me. The key point that I am making is that every country should act in its own best self-interest. The end is all that matters. The justification for a given action is just window dressing. However, it just so happens that the US has just cause to put the screws to Mexico like Trump is doing.
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On January 28 2017 05:34 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:19 nojok wrote:On January 28 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Here's the point that so many of you miss: every country has the right to pursue its own best interests. America is no different than anyone else in this regard. The US is neither a charity nor a global buffet line. Mexico has unequivocally abused our good will. A debt is owed, and the US has the ability to make them pay for it. Any rational actor pursuing his best interests would do what Trump is doing. Your useless moralizing has no place here. Can you expand on the abuses Mexico commited? Providing cheap labor and cheap goods is a crime now? www.tradingeconomics.comThe November figures show surpluses, in billions of dollars, with Hong Kong ($2.5), South and Central America ($2.4), Singapore ($1.0), Brazil ($0.8), and United Kingdom ($0.1). Deficits were recorded, in billions of dollars, with China ($28.4), European Union ($13.8), Japan ($5.7), Mexico ($5.7), Germany ($5.3), Canada ($3.2), Italy ($2.2), South Korea ($2.2), OPEC ($1.9), India ($1.8), Taiwan ($1.3), France ($1.3), and Saudi Arabia ($0.2). I can't wait to pay the wall in the Atlantic, I hope the Germans will pay a bigger part of the wall though as they're responsible of a bigger part of the EU deficit. By providing worse conditions to workers, and less regulation than the US, Mexico is able to produce things cheaper than the US. Then a lot of the skilled instrustry leaves for Mexico, and you have less innovation in your country further on. Short term it benefits the US, long term is a very debatable topic, and hence why protectionism vs free trade arguments are a thing.
Except it was America's success and rising standards of living that priced themselves out of the competitive labor market in manufacturing. Now the US economy is trying to move out of that towards new tech jobs but its a painful transition for some because they invested their lives in those jobs. Those jobs were disappearing regardless and eventually automation will kill those jobs for Mexico and other cheap labor nations and they won't be left with much because the US and other first world tech nations will have huge advantages in the emerging tech industries. Essentially the US will "reload" with jobs coming from new industries....something Trump is trying to slow down so he can make petty appeals to those feeling it in the painful transition.
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On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught.
Just so I'm clear, you want to take over countries and their resources, as and when it benefits you? In addition to religious profiling of muslim immigrants, you also support imperialism and subjugation of other nations.
+ Show Spoiler +I really wonder, how any of this is different from the ideologies of Nazi Germany - you want to curb the rights of a certain religious and ethnic group (muslims instead of jews), and you want to take over countries as and when its in your supposed "national interest". I'm sure you will have some justification for your stances that sounds reasonable in your head but the similarities are there in plain sight, if you choose to see it.
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On January 28 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own. I don't agree with all of this, but you are right about one thing in particular: the contamination of the SJW mentality upon the way that Americans see themselves in the world. We should be a proud people. We should be nationalistic. Regardless of the wrongs that we have committed, we should apologize to no one. Democrats and others on the left always cry foul whenever their patriotism is challenged, but the unflinching truth is that those on the left have led many Americans down an irrational path of self-hatred when it comes to their nationality.
And why is that? Those seem completely arbitrary. How is being unapologetic more rational than being apologetic, or the obvious answer of taking it on a case by cases basis instead of being either by default? You're doing the same thing you claim to hate, let's fight 'the contamination of the SJW mentality' with equally pointless feelings based rules.
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On January 28 2017 05:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 28 2017 05:32 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 28 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Here's the point that so many of you miss: every country has the right to pursue its own best interests. America is no different than anyone else in this regard. The US is neither a charity nor a global buffet line. Mexico has unequivocally abused our good will. A debt is owed, and the US has the ability to make them pay for it. Any rational actor pursuing his best interests would do what Trump is doing. Your useless moralizing has no place here. You realize this argument has basically never worked in the history of ever? The only nations that will agree with yours are the ones that want to do the same and grab some territory and resources for themselves through force (e.g. China and Russia). You have it backwards. My argument is how things have always worked historically. The only arguable exception has been during the post-Cold War unipolar world that the US has dominated. This order is clearly ending. Except you're wrong? Historically no one has ever bothered with this ass backward attempt to justify taking over another nation, or used convoluted logic to try and justify taking resources. They just invaded with superior power and claimed the land. Even when Germany was forced to "repay" other nations after WWI, it was because they lost the war. If your argument is that the US is stronger than Mexico and has the power to take what it wants, okay then. But trying to pretend that Mexico deserves it because they "abused your good will", no one is going to believe it except the US. You're misunderstanding me. The key point that I am making is that every country should act in its own best self-interest. The end is all that matters. The justification for a given action is just window dressing. However, it just so happens that the US has just cause to put the screws to Mexico like Trump is doing.
No part of this dictates Trump's chosen foreign policy.
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On January 28 2017 05:47 Piledriver wrote:I seriously gotta ask - are you drunk or high? Show nested quote +Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. What on earth are you even talking about? Immigration leads to Feminism which leads to "societies" downfall? How does this even make sense? Is this a next level copy pasta, or is this actually how the average right winger thinks?
Yes illegal immigration leads to wealth drain on a society as they send money overseas in the case of mexico and enroll in welfare programs or live in federal funded sanctuary cities. Upholding the federal law is met with identity politics which defends leech liberal lifestyles which leads to feminism which kills the family unit. Once the family unit dies the middle class dies and thus you have a complacent welfare state with no power over the government.
Basically women kill societies and we must never forsake the natural order of things.
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On January 28 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own. I don't agree with all of this, but you are right about one thing in particular: the contamination of the SJW mentality upon the way that Americans see themselves in the world. We should be a proud people. We should be nationalistic. Regardless of the wrongs that we have committed, we should apologize to no one. Democrats and others on the left always cry foul whenever their patriotism is challenged, but the unflinching truth is that those on the left have led many Americans down an irrational path of self-hatred when it comes to their nationality.
There is no reason that american citizens shouldn't be proud of their country. That is an absolute undeniable fact. For all the wrongs that have been committed I personally believe that there have been just as many rights in providing a country where someone can rise from nothing to become a success. It is not however mutually exclusive from apologizing and trying to right the wrongs that were committed in the past and continue to plague certain communities. In fact apologizing I would argue is the most american and patriotic thing to do. That some one the left have taken these sentiments too far is a fact. That some on the right have responded with equal and opposite nationalism, and american exceptionalism is also a fact. Accept that both are true, and figure out whether you are contributing to that problem. Then maybe we can start to fix the problems in this country.
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On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught.
So, the lives you attempted to save from an authoritarian who used chemical weapons meant nothing. The selfdeclared attempt to spread american/democratic values freedoms also meant nothing? I don't know about American veterans, but the Estonian ones would punch you for saying such a thing, especially without having served yourself. I refuse to believe you represent any significant portion of the US.
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On January 28 2017 06:04 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught. So, the lives you attempted to save from an authoritarian who used chemical weapons meant nothing. The selfdeclared attempt to spread american/democratic values freedoms also meant nothing? I don't know about American veterans, but the Estonian ones would punch you for saying such a thing, especially without having served yourself. I refuse to believe you represent any significant portion of the US.
sadly he represents about half of them.
Thats why Trump is in charge...
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On January 28 2017 06:04 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught. So, the lives you attempted to save from an authoritarian who used chemical weapons meant nothing. The selfdeclared attempt to spread american/democratic values freedoms also meant nothing? I don't know about American veterans, but the Estonian ones would punch you for saying such a thing, especially without having served yourself. I refuse to believe you represent any significant portion of the US.
If you look at American history you have a lot of lofty ideals people like to shout but when it comes to it the US is a very selfish country in its policies and its culture pushes selfish interest individualism, which clash with those lofty ideals we like to hang out hats on. So we mythologize the ideals of the founding fathers and things like loving and accepting immigrants but we really don't practice what we preach.
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xDaunts posts have been getting progressively more disgusting every day since Trump is in office. Good luck America if that is representative of where the US is heading.
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On January 28 2017 06:01 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own. I don't agree with all of this, but you are right about one thing in particular: the contamination of the SJW mentality upon the way that Americans see themselves in the world. We should be a proud people. We should be nationalistic. Regardless of the wrongs that we have committed, we should apologize to no one. Democrats and others on the left always cry foul whenever their patriotism is challenged, but the unflinching truth is that those on the left have led many Americans down an irrational path of self-hatred when it comes to their nationality. And why is that? Those seem completely arbitrary. How is being unapologetic more rational than being apologetic, or the obvious answer of taking it on a case by cases basis instead of being either by default? You're doing the same thing you claim to hate, let's fight 'the contamination of the SJW mentality' with equally pointless feelings based rules.
Being unapologetic promotes a legitimate national purpose: binding a nation together. You can call it fascistic if you want, but forging a national identity is absolutely crucial for the long term survival of a nation. Assaults on national identity ultimately expose the cruder, tribalistic divisions within the nation. This is a particularly critical concept in multicultural societies.
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On January 28 2017 06:07 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 06:04 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught. So, the lives you attempted to save from an authoritarian who used chemical weapons meant nothing. The selfdeclared attempt to spread american/democratic values freedoms also meant nothing? I don't know about American veterans, but the Estonian ones would punch you for saying such a thing, especially without having served yourself. I refuse to believe you represent any significant portion of the US. If you look at American history you have a lot of lofty ideals people like to shout but when it comes to it the US is a very selfish country in its policies and its culture pushes selfish interest individualism, which clash with those lofty ideals we like to hang out hats on. So we mythologize the ideals of the founding fathers and things like loving and accepting immigrants but we really don't practice what we preach.
Some do, some don't. The US led the way in civil rights and in establishing a mutually beneficial international system to begin with. A lot of people are rightfully proud of the US achievements, even if they come with significant pitfalls. Any country is what it's people choose it to be, and the Americans I have seen and met are better than that. I hope that trust is rewarded somewhere along the line.
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On January 28 2017 06:04 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 05:50 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:46 mustaju wrote:On January 28 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 28 2017 05:28 mustaju wrote:
I am most worried about the shoot from the hip "take their oil" comments. He specifically stated that he would not want to signal ahead of unilateral action. Statements like these get people killed in unnecessary wars. Civilian resistance will likely be worse than in Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump is absolutely right that we should have taken their oil if we were going to bother to invade in the first place. By making a statement like this, you better be ready to go to those countries and shoot those people yourself. What a way to respect your veterans. You have it all wrong. If we had conquered Iraq, stayed there, and taken the oil, at least the veterans' sacrifices would have meant something for the USA. As it stands now, everything that was sacrificed in Iraq was for naught. So, the lives you attempted to save from an authoritarian who used chemical weapons meant nothing. The selfdeclared attempt to spread american/democratic values freedoms also meant nothing? I don't know about American veterans, but the Estonian ones would punch you for saying such a thing, especially without having served yourself. I refuse to believe you represent any significant portion of the US.
Is Iraq better off now than it was before we toppled Saddam (ie are the people better off)? Has the US gotten any return on the trillion+ dollars that it spent on toppling Saddam? Put the feelings away and look at the cold, hard facts.
Like I have argued before, I think that committing to building a western-style democracy in Iraq could have worked had Obama committed to doing it. But that ship has long since sailed. All that we're left with is the wreckage of the post-Saddam era in Iraq (you know, ISIS and stuff).
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On January 28 2017 05:36 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 04:57 Velr wrote:
Here is a small word for the americans that think abot mexico paying for the wall.
PRIDE, you know it, you love it for your own country. So, who the fuck do you think you are to demabd something like that from another people.
You disgust me in the truest sense of the word. Mexico has no pride. When we took over their republic, seized their land, marched on their capital and wrote their constitution. America is going to lead by example like we always have and demand others follow as trump laments peace through strength. Trump represents the movement the populist movement that Federal law is needed when out of control democracy attempts to tear down society. Feminism, Liberalism all cancers which drag down the family unit the unit which empowers a strong middle class who can keep a government in check. A strong middle class is the backbone of any great nation and we will not forsake it. The time of swaying opinion is over we won, nationalism won, globalism lost and anyone who stands in our way is an enemy of the human race. We fight for cultures, families, race and the western way of life and for life itself. The time of Mexico leeching off our society is over. Mexico has needed a revolution for a very long time and their cowardly politicians would rather prop up a broken system then make their own country great. Illegal immigrants drain societies which leads to out of control democracy which leads to feminism which leads to societies downfall. If you are paying attention to american politics and social issues we are resetting the system, de-funding sanctuary cities, deporting criminal illegal aliens and bringing back wealth to our country. Too long have elitists all over the world sabotaged societies for their greed. Too long have identity politics lorded over the logic needed to run a society. Mexico is only the first of many nations who will reform and bend the knee if you will .America is here to support you if you are willing to change if not the hardships are your own. User was temp banned for this post.
What the actual fuck.
I'm sorry, I don't usually post in here, but I seriously gotta ask: is this how the majority of the people who voted for Trump feel?
If so, I'm very, very concerned about the future of America.
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