EPTIt's far easier to destroy than to create, and the only thing being created right now is a pipeline and the fucking wall. Whether he actually creates something better than what he has destroyed is the real test of if he can get shit done.
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Tachion
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It's far easier to destroy than to create, and the only thing being created right now is a pipeline and the fucking wall. Whether he actually creates something better than what he has destroyed is the real test of if he can get shit done. | ||
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xDaunt
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oneofthem
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On January 27 2017 06:50 xDaunt wrote: So I went and looked up the trade balance numbers between the US and Mexico. In 2014, the Mexican GDP was $1.29 trillion. Total Mexican exports were $400 billion. Of that figure, $291 billion is from exports to the United States. Mexico's next largest trading partner was Canada at $24.5 billion. US exports to Mexico totaled $194 billion. The bottom line is that Mexico is fucked if it even considers fighting Trump on paying for the wall or renegotiating NAFTA. Nieto better get his ass on a plane tomorrow and go suck Donald's balls. Source. a lot of that is u.s. firms manufacturing in mexico. they will lobby trump to keep the value of their investment. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
Geographical locations are anchored to a Primary Economic center, and the majority of the workforce come from service industries surrounding that economic center. Back in the day, it was mines and factories creating economic centers. Now its tech companies. There has been ZERO change in the economic systems in America, people are just shocked that they have to move when economies shift. You know who else figured that out? Immigrants moving whole countries to get opportunities in the US. If midwesterners can't even make adjustments within their own country while foreigners are making adjustments outside their own country--then their hardships are purely their own invention. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:52 oneofthem wrote: a lot of that is u.s. firms manufacturing in mexico. they will lobby trump to keep the value of their investment. They'd be better off lobbying Nieto to pay for the wall. Trump is going to make Mexico pay for it one way or another. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24438 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:50 xDaunt wrote: So I went and looked up the trade balance numbers between the US and Mexico. In 2014, the Mexican GDP was $1.29 trillion. Total Mexican exports were $400 billion. Of that figure, $291 billion accounts for exports to the United States. Mexico's next largest trading partner was Canada at $24.5 billion. US exports to Mexico totaled $194 billion. The bottom line is that Mexico is fucked if it even considers fighting Trump on paying for the wall or renegotiating NAFTA. Nieto better get his ass on a plane tomorrow and go suck Donald's balls. Source. Until he points out how much of that is US companies exporting stuff from Mexico to the US. You may have noticed that their number 1 export is automobiles? Can you name a Mexican auto manufacturer? EDIT: Ninja'd We all know from our conservative friends that price rolls downhill, Mexico won't be paying for anything, even by the plan they are putting forward it would be American consumers and companies paying for the wall (now and in the future) not Mexico. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote: Until he points out how much of that is US companies exporting stuff from Mexico to the US. You may have noticed that their number 1 export is automobiles? Can you name a Mexican auto manufacturer? EDIT: Ninja'd GM and Ford should sponsor the wall. Imagine the advertising opportunity! | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:55 xDaunt wrote: They'd be better off lobbying Nieto to pay for the wall. Trump is going to make Mexico pay for it one way or another. he should rather build trains in u.s. cities. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:54 Thieving Magpie wrote: American economies have ALWAYS hinged one a simple concept. Geographical locations are anchored to a Primary Economic center, and the majority of the workforce come from service industries surrounding that economic center. Back in the day, it was mines and factories creating economic centers. Now its tech companies. There has been ZERO change in the economic systems in America, people are just shocked that they have to move when economies shift. You know who else figured that out? Immigrants moving whole countries to get opportunities in the US. If midwesterners can't even make adjustments within their own country while foreigners are making adjustments outside their own country--then their hardships are purely their own invention. yea but there hasn't been much done to help the left behind communities. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:50 xDaunt wrote: So I went and looked up the trade balance numbers between the US and Mexico. In 2014, the Mexican GDP was $1.29 trillion. Total Mexican exports were $400 billion. Of that figure, $291 billion is from exports to the United States. Mexico's next largest trading partner was Canada at $24.5 billion. US exports to Mexico totaled $194 billion. The bottom line is that Mexico is fucked if it even considers fighting Trump on paying for the wall or renegotiating NAFTA. Nieto better get his ass on a plane tomorrow and go suck Donald's balls. Source. Interesting situation for Mexico. Supports the idea that having a single major trading partner is a terrible idea. You never know when someone will be elected and totally fucks you over. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 27 2017 06:58 oneofthem wrote: he should rather build trains in u.s. cities. I think he has some of that in his infrastructure plans already. But that's besides the point. Here's why Trump is going to win on this issue: which politician is stupid enough to openly fight for Mexican jobs? Historically, republicans might do it to cater to their corporate interests, but the immigration issue is taking an overriding precedence. Democrats can't afford to alienate their union base any further with Trump brazenly stealing it right from under their noses. The writing is on the wall, which is why so many companies are halting plans to expand in Mexico and are trying their damnedest to cozy up to Trump with America-first investment plans. This is all but a done deal as far as I am concerned. | ||
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xDaunt
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On January 27 2017 07:08 Nyxisto wrote: xDaunt you seem to be forgetting that the goods flowing into America from Mexico are also being consumed, you don't dump them into the river, so obviously punishing Mexico on the export side punishes American consumers on the import side. The US is free to start trade-wars left and right of course, but is that going to make Trump's core audience happy who actually relies on the stuff? I'm not forgetting anything. Of course trade wars have bilateral adverse effects, just as real wars do. But it's very clear which country has the superior firepower. Trump is smart to use it to the US's advantage. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 27 2017 07:02 xDaunt wrote: I think he has some of that in his infrastructure plans already. But that's besides the point. Here's why Trump is going to win on this issue: which politician is stupid enough to openly fight for Mexican jobs? Historically, republicans might do it to cater to their corporate interests, but the immigration issue is taking an overriding precedence. Democrats can't afford to alienate their union base any further with Trump brazenly stealing it right from under their noses. The writing is on the wall, which is why so many companies are halting plans to expand in Mexico and are trying their damnedest to cozy up to Trump with America-first investment plans. This is all but a done deal as far as I am concerned. there are some punitive threats trump could make upon mexico that exceeds the cost of the wall, but in practice the sum involved would not work. some of these threats, such as a high tariff, would not be easy to walk back as simply good ideas on their own. if you threaten someone with a bomb, the other guy has to believe that you'll be able and willing to defuse the bomb once he pays the ransom. on this there is a high chance of trump just doing a bunch of anti-mexico policies regardless of whether they pay for anything. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 27 2017 07:10 oneofthem wrote: there are some punitive threats trump could make upon mexico that exceeds the cost of the wall, but in practice the sum involved would not work. some of these threats, such as a high tariff, would not be easy to walk back as simply good ideas on their own. if you threaten someone with a bomb, the other guy has to believe that you'll be able and willing to defuse the bomb once he pays the ransom. on this there is a high chance of trump just doing a bunch of anti-mexico policies regardless of whether they pay for anything. That's baseless speculation. I bet that Trump will leave Mexico alone once he gets his wall and a renegotiation of NAFTA. There's no reason to believe otherwise. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 27 2017 07:08 farvacola wrote: When margarita night at the local tex-mex shit hole goes the way of the dodo, that Trump "stuck it" to Mexico will seem far less important, I assure you. The shock in consumer prices is going to quite a sight to see. well, i suppose we could always import more stuff from china, india and SEA? that seems to be where all the trump hats and ties come from. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 27 2017 07:08 farvacola wrote: When margarita night at the local tex-mex shit hole goes the way of the dodo, that Trump "stuck it" to Mexico will seem far less important, I assure you. The shock in consumer prices is going to quite a sight to see. as bad as anti-trade policy may be for the actual well-being of most americans, there isn't a clear political cost to taking that position on either the left or right. it's also the case that the most inflation-vulnerable segment of the population, particularly fixed income groups in poor and elderly, is more or less separate from the most angry ones. | ||
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