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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:31 LegalLord wrote: Trump isn't exactly the president I want, but he absolutely is the president. People would do well to acknowledge that and figure out how to work with it rather than just rag on him with reckless abandon. I mean, he is making it exceptionally easy. Like the Yankees playing a Tee Ball team easy to make fun of him. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:31 LegalLord wrote: Trump isn't exactly the president I want, but he absolutely is the president. People would do well to acknowledge that and figure out how to work with it rather than just rag on him with reckless abandon. when havent people done that to an incoming president? the only difference us that don seems to put his foot in his mouth or comes off sounding ignorant/aggressive/flat out unintelligent when he takes to twitter. he needs to calm the fuck down with that nonsense, and people may actually warm up to him. its like he does whatever he can to remain as divisive as possible at every turn. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:29 OtherWorld wrote: Thank you. I can't believe so many people are acting like the world is going to end. People are screaming before they get hurt. Well it's the same with other issues, in the time of social media anyone can get his opinion out there and it snowballs quite fast. It doesn't help that people with a big following also tend to make a lot of these hysterical posts which stimulates the masses even more. Why not stay calm and collected? I might be completely wrong but i very much doubt that Trump will be considerably worse as a president than many other before him. That doesn't mean that you cannot criticize him, but why with such a hysterical tone all the time :/ | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:25 xDaunt wrote: I haven't whited out anything. My biggest concerns about Trump were whether he'd follow through on his campaign promises. Now that it's clear that he will, I'm 100% on board. meaning no disrespect here(i chose to quote this for your response, not the original post,) but how did him doing more of the same make anything clearer to you? politicians have made great speeches all their lives. this is no different? though frankly i thought it was a terrible speech. there was no coherence through the first part and instead they were just one liners all in succession. he pieced together some full thoughts at the end though. if that was a speech writer i'd start looking for new ones. a nice ceremony in all though. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well it's the same with other issues, in the time of social media anyone can get his opinion out there and it snowballs quite fast. It doesn't help that people with a big following also tend to make a lot of these hysterical posts which stimulates the masses even more. Why not stay calm and collected? I might be completely wrong but i very much doubt that Trump will be considerably worse as a president than many other before him. That doesn't mean that you cannot criticize him, but why with such a hysterical tone all the time :/ The why is uncertainty. He hasn't done what the majority of elects have done for the last fifty years in the last couple months, which has been magnified in the media more than ever before. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:25 BigO wrote: Ok I might get banned for this but his speech kind of feels like something Hitler could have said when he first got into power in Germany. http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitlers-first-address-as-chancellor/ Here's what he apparently actually said. Be a judge yourself, I didn't get a chance to hear all of it. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:29 OtherWorld wrote: Thank you. I can't believe so many people are acting like the world is going to end. People are screaming before they get hurt. Too me it's very scary that the most powerful man in the world just delivered such an ultra nationalistic speech, blaming other countries for the problems, talking about making America win and unstoppable. He also basically alienated himself from all the other politicians on the balcony which makes me think he really wants to work towards absolute power for himself. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12612 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well it's the same with other issues, in the time of social media anyone can get his opinion out there and it snowballs quite fast. It doesn't help that people with a big following also tend to make a lot of these hysterical posts which stimulates the masses even more. Why not stay calm and collected? I might be completely wrong but i very much doubt that Trump will be considerably worse as a president than many other before him. That doesn't mean that you cannot criticize him, but why with such a hysterical tone all the time :/ If he's slightly worse than Bush, it's a huge deal for me, and it should be for everyone. I don't really understand why you think everything will be fine, cause it's certainly not based on the facts presented to you. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:37 brian wrote: meaning no disrespect here, but how did him doing more of the same make anything clearer to you? politicians have made great speeches all their lives. this is no different? though frankly i thought it was a terrible speech. there was no coherence through the first part and instead they were just one liners all in succession. he pieced together some full thoughts at the end though. if that was a speech writer i'd start looking for new ones. a nice ceremony in all though. It's not just the repeated speeches. Looking at everything that he has done since the election, it is very clear that he fully intends to follow through on his election promises. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:39 Nebuchad wrote: If he's slightly worse than Bush, it's a huge deal for me, and it should be for everyone. I don't really understand why you think everything will be fine, cause it's certainly not based on the facts presented to you. I am not saying everything will be fine for sure, but that's the thing. We simply do not know yet. As i said before, i do not think he is a good candidate (clinton wasn't either) but hysterical doomsday saying doesn't get us anywhere. It makes the whole situation worse | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:38 ThomasjServo wrote: The why is uncertainty. He hasn't done what the majority of elects have done for the last fifty years in the last couple months, which has been magnified in the media more than ever before. That's not uncertainty, that's un-normality. Potential uncertainty is only about whether or not he'll really do what he has said he'll do. And, based on previous experiences, it is highly likely that'll be like for every President before : he'll try, then see that he doesn't have full power, and that he's content enough with being President without wanting to make the effort of getting full power, and thus he'll compromise. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Too me it's very scary that the most powerful man in the world just delivered such an ultra nationalistic speech, blaming other countries for the problems, talking about making America win and unstoppable. He also basically alienated himself from all the other politicians on the balcony which makes me think he really wants to work towards absolute power for himself. He won only because of his anti-establishment and pro-America narrative. Do you expect him to betray his campaign narrative on the first day of his mandate ? I mean I know we live in the Farage era, but still. As for nationalism, it sounds more like isolationism to me. And, as a non-American, I'm fine with this. Maybe we'll stop creating chaos in various parts of the world for the sole sake of spreading the Glorious American Ideals of Democracy and Freedom. It might also force Europeans to unite faster to put up with the lack of US help, which I'm also fine with. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:47 OtherWorld wrote: He won only because of his anti-establishment and pro-America narrative. Do you expect him to betray his campaign narrative on the first day of his mandate ? I mean I know we live in the Farage era, but still. As for nationalism, it sounds more like isolationism to me. And, as a non-American, I'm fine with this. Maybe we'll stop creating chaos in various parts of the world for the sole sake of spreading the Glorious American Ideals of Democracy and Freedom. It might also force Europeans to unite faster to put up with the lack of US help, which I'm also fine with. That could be the reality if Merkel had been ousted from power say 5+ years ago, not anymore. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
Even Obama couldn't close Guantanamo. And he actually honestly wanted to do that. And it was actually feasible to do so. Biggest impact of Donald Trump will be that he puts his lackeys in charge of all departments and institutions. Lackeys whose vision and goals are completely opposed to those institutions in the first place. Top management of all these institutions and departments will be completely frustrated, and their functionally will slowly grind to a halt. Perry on energy, Carson on housing, DeVos on education, Session on justice, that will all be a complete disaster. Did he pick the biggest experts he could find for all his cabinet positions? No. He just picked spineless people that he expects to be loyal to him, that are republicans, and to which he thinks he has to return the favour. Do I expect him to betray his campaign promises? Didn't he already do that? He was supposed to be an anti-establishment, anti donor candidate. And he flipped flopped in an extreme manner on various issues, like Obamacare, Israel, and many others. He won because people wanted to throw a brick through the window. And different people wanted to do so for different reasons. All his scandals, his 'temperament', those all were non-issues. It's like the Pirate Bay owner expressing his hope for Trump to win. Yes, some people are delusional. But most just wanted the most terrible president possible, to fuck up the establishment. That's why many people who voted Trump actually think he is unfit for president. Yet still they voted for him. Trump's opinion is basically the opinion of the last advisor he spoke with. | ||
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Thomasmarkle
United States85 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:39 xDaunt wrote: It's not just the repeated speeches. Looking at everything that he has done since the election, it is very clear that he fully intends to follow through on his election promises. "It is very clear"?!? He has repeated the same speeches and got people really excited for the things he wants to do, but he hasn't actually done anything yet. None of his Cabinet picks have made me feel any different on that. Maybe they aren't all "Washington" or "Politician," but they certainly aren't anti-establishment at all.In fact, some of the big campaign promises he stood for he has already stepped back on. "Lock her up", "Build the Wall", "Drain the Swamp"... All of these things he has already changed his positions on through both his words and actions. I absolutely can't stand the guy, but I do think that there does need to be a shake up in the way our political system works. Is he the right person for? Hell no. But do I think that he might open some eyes and shake things up? Yes. All I can hope for right now is that he doesn't do too much damage before other, less extreme (in my opinion) people can actually help and move us forward. I'm definitely not excited for anything he has to offer, but I also don't believe its all doom and gloom. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12612 Posts
On January 21 2017 02:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: I am not saying everything will be fine for sure, but that's the thing. We simply do not know yet. As i said before, i do not think he is a good candidate (clinton wasn't either) but hysterical doomsday saying doesn't get us anywhere. It makes the whole situation worse Will you be hugely surprised if everything doesn't turn out to be fine? Or do you think it's a likely outcome based on what we know today? I'm not saying the apocalypse, I'm saying the world in general and America in particular being in a worse spot than it is today. | ||
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