EPTClinton is simply doing what I think is reasonable - if there's a legal process to recount, she will corporate with that in the interest of ensuring confidence in the election process.
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
Clinton is simply doing what I think is reasonable - if there's a legal process to recount, she will corporate with that in the interest of ensuring confidence in the election process. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
On November 28 2016 02:58 levelping wrote: Isn't Clinton simply saying that she will cooperate with the recount. I think the lawyer even said that it is unlikely the recount would affect the outcome of the election. Clinton is simply doing what I think is reasonable - if there's a legal process to recount, she will corporate with that in the interest of ensuring confidence in the election process. Yup, you're right. But that won't stop Trump supporters around here from seeing this as confirmation that Trump is really no worse than anyone else and he's just more honest about it. At a certain point if you assume everyone is awful nothing can prove you wrong - if they do bad things it proves you right, and if they do good things they're just trying to hide it. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:21 xDaunt wrote: I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion over WashPo's slandering of basically everyone in alternative media as being tools of the Russians. They're completely unhinged. Here is a good overview of WashPo's lunacy. I've basically taken "blame the Russians" to be a meme that someone didn't inform the Clinton loyalists doesn't really work for deflecting your own faults. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9111 Posts
On November 28 2016 02:58 levelping wrote: Isn't Clinton simply saying that she will cooperate with the recount. I think the lawyer even said that it is unlikely the recount would affect the outcome of the election. Clinton is simply doing what I think is reasonable - if there's a legal process to recount, she will corporate with that in the interest of ensuring confidence in the election process. Yes, and it's unlikely that GOP/Trump's camp won't have similar representation at the recounts. It's the only sensible thing to do since Stein is going ahead with it. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:21 xDaunt wrote: I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion over WashPo's slandering of basically everyone in alternative media as being tools of the Russians. They're completely unhinged. Here is a good overview of WashPo's lunacy. haven't heard much about it. digging into it some; the intercept article is bad, the washpo article itself is passable, one of the sources seems ok, but the propornot source looks terrible. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:29 LegalLord wrote: I've basically taken "blame the Russians" to be a meme that someone didn't inform the Clinton loyalists doesn't really work for deflecting your own faults. Someone needs to tell mainstream media that continuing to push bullshit narratives is not going to help them repair their credibility. They really need to get themselves under control, because they can't get away with the same things that they used to. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21600 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:48 xDaunt wrote: Someone needs to tell mainstream media that continuing to push bullshit narratives is not going to help them repair their credibility. They really need to get themselves under control, because they can't get away with the same things that they used to. US media (mainstream or not) stopped caring about credibility a while ago. So long as they get the clicks no one is going to change. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:48 xDaunt wrote: Someone needs to tell mainstream media that continuing to push bullshit narratives is not going to help them repair their credibility. They really need to get themselves under control, because they can't get away with the same things that they used to. given how some other sites do get away with having lots of bs and low credibility, I don't see why a formerly respectable place couldn't transition into being not-respectable because they earn more money that way. We've seen several channels like Discovery channel change in that very way. People don't want to pay for credibility. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2016 04:51 Gorsameth wrote: US media (mainstream or not) stopped caring about credibility a while ago. So long as they get the clicks no one is going to change. Fair enough, but the problem with the mainstream media is that they are still clinging to the pretense that they are the arbiters of truth and fairness in journalism. They then use that mantle to bludgeon their competitors and persons with whom they politically disagree. This attitude then trickles down to the consumer level where we get "lol Breitbart -- go read real news like WashPo" and "republicans/conservatives don't deal in facts or reality." Thus from my perspective, there is no level of contempt that these mainstream media outlets do not deserve. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On November 28 2016 05:18 xDaunt wrote: Fair enough, but the problem with the mainstream media is that they are still clinging to the pretense that they are the arbiters of truth and fairness in journalism. They then use that mantle to bludgeon their competitors and persons with whom they politically disagree. This attitude then trickles down to the consumer level where we get "lol Breitbart -- go read real news like WashPo" and "republicans/conservatives don't deal in facts or reality." Thus from my perspective, there is no level of contempt that these mainstream media outlets do not deserve. The NYT campaigned for the Castro's to get into power back in the 60's. They have been working to advance leftism since forever. NYT, 1957: "Fidel Castro is a humanist, a man of many ideals, including those liberty, democracy an social justice. ... The need to restore Cuba's constitution and hold elections" | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28628 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 28 2016 05:46 Danglars wrote: Does someone at WaPo stand to lose a bet if real journalism resumes before the new year? At this point it's starting to get embarrassing. I'm out of explanations. McCarthy was routinely drilled for sensationalizing the Red scare, but WaPo wants a piece of that action. Trump deserved scorn for rigged election, but WaPo wants some for Russian-rigged media. Seriously, WaPo, if you want your coverage confined to the coasts and metros, you're doing a helluva job. I have made no effort to hide my disdain for a lot of right-wing propagandizing news sources this election, or at any point in the past. However, on the eve of this election, with all the shit that went down, including Eichenwald's delusional rants and their unconditional acceptance by most on the left, the Trump=Hitler arguments, the Comey situation, Russophobic rhetoric as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for Clinton's genuine faults, and much more, I have come to the conclusion that the mainstream left really isn't much better, if at all. I know it's easy to say "both sides suck" and be holier-than-thou by doing so, but I see this more as a way of saying "you conservatives were right about left-wing MSM bias." | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I don't recognize the name. So I don't know whether I disagree or not; as I have no sense whether most accepted them or not. I do not recall Comey coverage being too partisan by the media. Trump/Hitler was said by a fair number of people, but not so much by the MSM themselves, they merely report on people saying it, and failed to adequately point out how it's not a good comparison. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7881 Posts
I mean, to my dear conservative fellows here, don't you find it a bit worrying that your president elect seems to have such a tenuous relationship with reality? Because personally, the more it goes and the more I would qualify his erratic bullshit as terrifying. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 28 2016 06:11 zlefin wrote: what eichenwald delusional rants being unconditionally accepted by most of the left? I don't recognize the name. So I don't know whether I disagree or not; as I have no sense whether most accepted them or not. I do not recall Comey coverage being too partisan by the media. Trump/Hitler was said by a fair number of people, but not so much by the MSM themselves, they merely report on people saying it, and failed to adequately point out how it's not a good comparison. Eichenwald went on some crazy like 40 tweet long rant about how Trump was linked to Russia (it was all circumstantial evidence, at best). The Trump/Hitler thing was done in the NYT in a review of a biography of Hitler that was written in a way that clearly implied they had a lot in common (when asked the NYT said it spoke for itself). That's just off the top of my head, I know there were more. The Comey thing didn't seem too partisan because pretty much everyone agreed he handled it poorly, just for wildly different reasons. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2016 05:57 Liquid`Drone wrote: How do you conservatives feel about NPR? NPR is no better than the mainstream media outlets. NPR pushes the same narratives with the same bullshit tactics. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 28 2016 06:14 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, is this guy completely insane? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664 I mean, to my dear conservative fellows here, don't you find it a bit worrying that your president elect seems to have such a tenuous relationship with reality? Because personally, the more it goes and the more I would qualify his erratic bullshit as terrifying. it's who he is, and the people who elected him know that. No one expects him to become some sort of presidential politically correct politician with nuanced/hedged positions that don't really say anything. You better get used to this for the next 4 years, and instead of being terrified, grab some popcorn. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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