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On November 22 2016 00:49 Doodsmack wrote:What disingenuous bullshit it was for Trump supporters to criticize Hillary's conflicts of interest. The lack of critical thinking that got Trump into power is a dangerous thing for the country. Show nested quote +American real estate mogul Donald Trump is planning "substantial investments" in the Indian property and hotel sectors, betting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led new government's efforts to revive the economic growth and boost infrastructure.
"I do see India as a great place to invest, and I think the election made that even better," said Trump, who was in India to launch Trump Tower in Mumbai, his first project in the country's financial capital, in collaboration with India's Lodha Group. Times of India (2014)Show nested quote +It is a daunting proposition to put $2 million apartments on the market in Pune — a quiet industrial city in the west of India, where even the fanciest neighborhoods are lined with squat housing blocks.
But the developers of Trump Towers Pune, an elegant pair of 23-story black-glass pillars, have an extraordinary new marketing tool they are moving quickly to exploit: the president-elect of the United States.
Since Donald J. Trump won the presidency, they have celebrated the growth that Mr. Trump’s win could bring to their brand, even flying to New York last week to meet with the president-elect and his family as he was assembling his cabinet.
“We will see a tremendous jump in valuation in terms of the second tower,” said Pranav R. Bhakta, a consultant who helped Mr. Trump’s organization make inroads into the Indian market five years ago. “To say, ‘I have a Trump flat or residence’ — it’s president-elect branded. It’s that recall value. If they didn’t know Trump before, they definitely know him now.” The New York Times
Do we really care that the Trump brand gains value when he becomes president? Did we care when the Bush brand or the Clinton brand gained value when they became president? This brand value appreciation is quite natural part of ascending to the presidency. Trump is uniquely positioned to take advantage of it. But the Clinton Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Clinton didn't become president. The Bush Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Bush didn't become president.
The conflict of interest focus has to be on current policy. Existing economic competition being tilted by economic policies, decisions that stink of quid pro quo in government, and influence peddling. That's the focus. The questionable stuff that Clintons did already happened. It already stinks and has been stinking for 40 years.
Trump discussion is talking about how to structure the business to eliminate as many possibilities of conflicts of interest as possible. There is plenty of critique on putting the Trump business into a blind trust. What further needs to happen is examining all of the policies over the course of the presidency.
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Norway28759 Posts
I personally think there's a difference between charitable organizations and personal wealth. I also think this is not a big deal compared to the other issues I have with president Trump. 
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On November 22 2016 01:11 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 00:49 Doodsmack wrote:What disingenuous bullshit it was for Trump supporters to criticize Hillary's conflicts of interest. The lack of critical thinking that got Trump into power is a dangerous thing for the country. American real estate mogul Donald Trump is planning "substantial investments" in the Indian property and hotel sectors, betting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led new government's efforts to revive the economic growth and boost infrastructure.
"I do see India as a great place to invest, and I think the election made that even better," said Trump, who was in India to launch Trump Tower in Mumbai, his first project in the country's financial capital, in collaboration with India's Lodha Group. Times of India (2014)It is a daunting proposition to put $2 million apartments on the market in Pune — a quiet industrial city in the west of India, where even the fanciest neighborhoods are lined with squat housing blocks.
But the developers of Trump Towers Pune, an elegant pair of 23-story black-glass pillars, have an extraordinary new marketing tool they are moving quickly to exploit: the president-elect of the United States.
Since Donald J. Trump won the presidency, they have celebrated the growth that Mr. Trump’s win could bring to their brand, even flying to New York last week to meet with the president-elect and his family as he was assembling his cabinet.
“We will see a tremendous jump in valuation in terms of the second tower,” said Pranav R. Bhakta, a consultant who helped Mr. Trump’s organization make inroads into the Indian market five years ago. “To say, ‘I have a Trump flat or residence’ — it’s president-elect branded. It’s that recall value. If they didn’t know Trump before, they definitely know him now.” The New York Times Do we really care that the Trump brand gains value when he becomes president? Did we care when the Bush brand or the Clinton brand gained value when they became president? This brand value appreciation is quite natural part of ascending to the presidency. Trump is uniquely positioned to take advantage of it. But the Clinton Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Clinton didn't become president. The Bush Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Bush didn't become president. The conflict of interest focus has to be on current policy. Existing economic competition being tilted by economic policies, decisions that stink of quid pro quo in government, and influence peddling. That's the focus. The questionable stuff that Clintons did already happened. It already stinks and has been stinking for 40 years. Trump discussion is talking about how to structure the business to eliminate as many possibilities of conflicts of interest as possible. There is plenty of critique on putting the Trump business into a blind trust. What further needs to happen is examining all of the policies over the course of the presidency.
There's also his long history of donating to politicians and bribing and being part of the donor class status quo (and NOT just "oh I'm doing this to benefit my business innocently" - that's a lack of critical thinking). He's hasn't had a chance to be on the corrupt government side, but has given every indication he will be now.
We even knew before the election there wasn't going to be separation between Trump and his businesses.
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By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.
In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”
As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.
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At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea.
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Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.
The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”
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“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”
“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.
More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.”
The New York Times
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Sanya12364 Posts
On November 22 2016 01:26 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 01:11 TanGeng wrote:On November 22 2016 00:49 Doodsmack wrote:What disingenuous bullshit it was for Trump supporters to criticize Hillary's conflicts of interest. The lack of critical thinking that got Trump into power is a dangerous thing for the country. American real estate mogul Donald Trump is planning "substantial investments" in the Indian property and hotel sectors, betting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led new government's efforts to revive the economic growth and boost infrastructure.
"I do see India as a great place to invest, and I think the election made that even better," said Trump, who was in India to launch Trump Tower in Mumbai, his first project in the country's financial capital, in collaboration with India's Lodha Group. Times of India (2014)It is a daunting proposition to put $2 million apartments on the market in Pune — a quiet industrial city in the west of India, where even the fanciest neighborhoods are lined with squat housing blocks.
But the developers of Trump Towers Pune, an elegant pair of 23-story black-glass pillars, have an extraordinary new marketing tool they are moving quickly to exploit: the president-elect of the United States.
Since Donald J. Trump won the presidency, they have celebrated the growth that Mr. Trump’s win could bring to their brand, even flying to New York last week to meet with the president-elect and his family as he was assembling his cabinet.
“We will see a tremendous jump in valuation in terms of the second tower,” said Pranav R. Bhakta, a consultant who helped Mr. Trump’s organization make inroads into the Indian market five years ago. “To say, ‘I have a Trump flat or residence’ — it’s president-elect branded. It’s that recall value. If they didn’t know Trump before, they definitely know him now.” The New York Times Do we really care that the Trump brand gains value when he becomes president? Did we care when the Bush brand or the Clinton brand gained value when they became president? This brand value appreciation is quite natural part of ascending to the presidency. Trump is uniquely positioned to take advantage of it. But the Clinton Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Clinton didn't become president. The Bush Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Bush didn't become president. The conflict of interest focus has to be on current policy. Existing economic competition being tilted by economic policies, decisions that stink of quid pro quo in government, and influence peddling. That's the focus. The questionable stuff that Clintons did already happened. It already stinks and has been stinking for 40 years. Trump discussion is talking about how to structure the business to eliminate as many possibilities of conflicts of interest as possible. There is plenty of critique on putting the Trump business into a blind trust. What further needs to happen is examining all of the policies over the course of the presidency. There's also his long history of donating to politicians and bribing and being part of the donor class status quo (and NOT just "oh I'm doing this to benefit my business innocently" - that's a lack of critical thinking). He's hasn't had a chance to be on the corrupt government side, but has given every indication he will be now. We even knew before the election there wasn't going to be separation between Trump and his businesses.
Trump was a member of the donor class. He is still a billionaire. I think the practical obstacles to a blind trust is that he's in real estate and it's hard to liquidate that real estate and be truly blind without losing substantial value . So instead we will have a president that has a lot of possibilities for conflicts of interest. It remains to be seen what actually happens with the conflicts of interest. He is under constant scrutiny and nothing has happened, yet.
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On November 22 2016 01:35 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 01:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 22 2016 01:11 TanGeng wrote:On November 22 2016 00:49 Doodsmack wrote:What disingenuous bullshit it was for Trump supporters to criticize Hillary's conflicts of interest. The lack of critical thinking that got Trump into power is a dangerous thing for the country. American real estate mogul Donald Trump is planning "substantial investments" in the Indian property and hotel sectors, betting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led new government's efforts to revive the economic growth and boost infrastructure.
"I do see India as a great place to invest, and I think the election made that even better," said Trump, who was in India to launch Trump Tower in Mumbai, his first project in the country's financial capital, in collaboration with India's Lodha Group. Times of India (2014)It is a daunting proposition to put $2 million apartments on the market in Pune — a quiet industrial city in the west of India, where even the fanciest neighborhoods are lined with squat housing blocks.
But the developers of Trump Towers Pune, an elegant pair of 23-story black-glass pillars, have an extraordinary new marketing tool they are moving quickly to exploit: the president-elect of the United States.
Since Donald J. Trump won the presidency, they have celebrated the growth that Mr. Trump’s win could bring to their brand, even flying to New York last week to meet with the president-elect and his family as he was assembling his cabinet.
“We will see a tremendous jump in valuation in terms of the second tower,” said Pranav R. Bhakta, a consultant who helped Mr. Trump’s organization make inroads into the Indian market five years ago. “To say, ‘I have a Trump flat or residence’ — it’s president-elect branded. It’s that recall value. If they didn’t know Trump before, they definitely know him now.” The New York Times Do we really care that the Trump brand gains value when he becomes president? Did we care when the Bush brand or the Clinton brand gained value when they became president? This brand value appreciation is quite natural part of ascending to the presidency. Trump is uniquely positioned to take advantage of it. But the Clinton Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Clinton didn't become president. The Bush Foundation wouldn't be a thing if Bush didn't become president. The conflict of interest focus has to be on current policy. Existing economic competition being tilted by economic policies, decisions that stink of quid pro quo in government, and influence peddling. That's the focus. The questionable stuff that Clintons did already happened. It already stinks and has been stinking for 40 years. Trump discussion is talking about how to structure the business to eliminate as many possibilities of conflicts of interest as possible. There is plenty of critique on putting the Trump business into a blind trust. What further needs to happen is examining all of the policies over the course of the presidency. There's also his long history of donating to politicians and bribing and being part of the donor class status quo (and NOT just "oh I'm doing this to benefit my business innocently" - that's a lack of critical thinking). He's hasn't had a chance to be on the corrupt government side, but has given every indication he will be now. We even knew before the election there wasn't going to be separation between Trump and his businesses. Trump was a member of the donor class. He is still a billionaire. I think the practical obstacles to a blind trust is that he's in real estate and it's hard to liquidate that real estate and be truly blind without losing substantial value . So instead we will have a president that has a lot of possibilities for conflicts of interest. It remains to be seen what actually happens with the conflicts of interest. He is under constant scrutiny and nothing has happened, yet.
Well, he doesn't have any (real/official) political power yet. It's more just "he is under constant scrutiny."
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On November 22 2016 01:32 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.
In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”
As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.
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At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea.
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Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.
The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”
...
“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”
“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.
More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.” The New York Times
Good to have that cleared up. So the alt-right is just a rebranding of neo-nazis. Good, I can safely ignore them back to the shithole they came from. That said, the article is quite interesting, because it also reflects on the relation between these neonazis and the Trump campaign.
While they seem to respect Bannon and voted for Trump, the two groups don't seem to be very close:
As for Mr. Trump, Mr. Brimelow said he had met him about 30 years ago at a “conservative affinity meeting” in Manhattan. But that was it.
“Trump and Steve Bannon are not alt-right people,” Mr. Brimelow said, adding that they had opportunistically seized on two issues that the alt-right cares most about — stopping immigration and fighting political correctness — and used them to mobilize white voters.
Mr. Spencer said that while he did not think the president-elect should be considered alt-right, “I do think we have a psychic connection, or you can say a deeper connection, with Donald Trump in a way that we simply do not have with most Republicans.”
White identity, he said, is at the core of both the alt-right movement and the Trump movement, even if most voters for Mr. Trump “aren’t willing to articulate it as such.”
At various points, he and other speakers outlined where they differed from Mr. Trump. They see him as too beholden to Israel. They do not see any reason to start a trade war with China, and they are not necessarily opposed to the Iran nuclear deal.
These neo-nazis seem to think Trump is the second coming of Hitler, and that he will listen to them. I am cautiously more optimistic, in that I don't think even Bannon is that into neo-nazism and he is the closest to this group that is in Trump's close circle.
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That "aren't willing to articulate it" line is telling.
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On November 22 2016 01:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 01:32 Doodsmack wrote:By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.
In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”
As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.
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At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea.
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Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.
The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”
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“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”
“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.
More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.” The New York Times Good to have that cleared up. So the alt-right is just a rebranding of neo-nazis. Good, I can safely ignore them back to the shithole they came from. That said, the article is quite interesting, because it also reflects on the relation between these neonazis and the Trump campaign. While they seem to respect Bannon and voted for Trump, the two groups don't seem to be very close: Show nested quote +
As for Mr. Trump, Mr. Brimelow said he had met him about 30 years ago at a “conservative affinity meeting” in Manhattan. But that was it.
“Trump and Steve Bannon are not alt-right people,” Mr. Brimelow said, adding that they had opportunistically seized on two issues that the alt-right cares most about — stopping immigration and fighting political correctness — and used them to mobilize white voters.
Mr. Spencer said that while he did not think the president-elect should be considered alt-right, “I do think we have a psychic connection, or you can say a deeper connection, with Donald Trump in a way that we simply do not have with most Republicans.”
White identity, he said, is at the core of both the alt-right movement and the Trump movement, even if most voters for Mr. Trump “aren’t willing to articulate it as such.”
At various points, he and other speakers outlined where they differed from Mr. Trump. They see him as too beholden to Israel. They do not see any reason to start a trade war with China, and they are not necessarily opposed to the Iran nuclear deal.
These neo-nazis seem to think Trump is the second coming of Hitler, and that he will listen to them. I am cautiously more optimistic, in that I don't think even Bannon is that into neo-nazism and he is the closest to this group that is in Trump's close circle.
It was so much easier back in the day when you just had your good old fashioned racists and neo nazis with one dimensional attitudes. It seems that time has shifted even their thinking such that they could be totally main stream and even liberal on everything else, but race/integration. truly a strange world we are living in.
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On November 21 2016 08:05 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +China's one child policy is already showing its effects which are about to get worse over the next couple of decades with an increasingly aging population that directly affects its economy and productivity. The one child policy, again, is a political stunt. In 35 years, according to the government (and that's a highly contested number), 400mio births were prevented. That number isn't confirmed. The one child policy for example allows you by default to have a second child if the first one is a girl (not that rare of an occasion), amongst other numerous exceptions. Show nested quote +Also China/India supplies most of the cheap labor of the world currently. Once we have successfully decimated their working population, where will we get the cheap labor needed to sustain our consumption habits?
Back to step one. Maybe start (not you personally) with not driving a 6.7l V8 hemi pickup truck for grocery shopping, "because you need a car that big". Or eat some chicken instead of beef. edit: Sidenote, "per capita" is actually the fairest measurement, because it takes personal behavior into account, like consumption and "wastefulness".
you have the wrong idea of china's baseline pop growth rate. in rural areas and early urbanization going from 5-6 children median to 1.5 with the one child policy was very impactful.
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On November 22 2016 01:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 01:32 Doodsmack wrote:By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.
In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”
As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.
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At the conference on Saturday, Mr. Spencer, who said he had coined the term, defined the alt-right as a movement with white identity as its core idea.
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Mr. Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said.
The audience immediately screamed back, “Lügenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.”
...
“America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Mr. Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”
But the white race, he added, is “a race that travels forever on an upward path.”
“To be white is to be a creator, an explorer, a conqueror,” he said.
More members of the audience were on their feet as Mr. Spencer described the choice facing white people as to “conquer or die.” The New York Times Good to have that cleared up. So the alt-right is just a rebranding of neo-nazis. Good, I can safely ignore them back to the shithole they came from. That said, the article is quite interesting, because it also reflects on the relation between these neonazis and the Trump campaign. While they seem to respect Bannon and voted for Trump, the two groups don't seem to be very close: Show nested quote +
As for Mr. Trump, Mr. Brimelow said he had met him about 30 years ago at a “conservative affinity meeting” in Manhattan. But that was it.
“Trump and Steve Bannon are not alt-right people,” Mr. Brimelow said, adding that they had opportunistically seized on two issues that the alt-right cares most about — stopping immigration and fighting political correctness — and used them to mobilize white voters.
Mr. Spencer said that while he did not think the president-elect should be considered alt-right, “I do think we have a psychic connection, or you can say a deeper connection, with Donald Trump in a way that we simply do not have with most Republicans.”
White identity, he said, is at the core of both the alt-right movement and the Trump movement, even if most voters for Mr. Trump “aren’t willing to articulate it as such.”
At various points, he and other speakers outlined where they differed from Mr. Trump. They see him as too beholden to Israel. They do not see any reason to start a trade war with China, and they are not necessarily opposed to the Iran nuclear deal.
These neo-nazis seem to think Trump is the second coming of Hitler, and that he will listen to them. I am cautiously more optimistic, in that I don't think even Bannon is that into neo-nazism and he is the closest to this group that is in Trump's close circle.
Yeah. So these guys are pretty crazy.
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I'll believe this Argentina story when more stories especially foreign press started confirming it. Could easily be a ruse that our reality TV media loves to fall for.
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On November 22 2016 03:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'll believe this Argentina story when more stories especially foreign press started confirming it. Could easily be a ruse that our reality TV media loves to fall for.
Which argentina story?
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Remember when Hillary got criticized for getting charity donations from Saudi Arabia? Like in the presidential debates? How far does the dishonesty go here?
President-elect Donald Trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign that appear to be tied to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia, according to a report in The Washington Post.
Trump registered the companies in August 2015, shortly after launching his presidential bid, according to The Post.
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During a rally on August 21, the day Trump created four of those companies, he said he gets along well with Saudi Arabia.
"They buy apartments from me," Trump said during the Alabama rally. "They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”
The Hill
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If true that's super fucking problematic
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There are a lot of things that Trump has allegedly done that are problematic if true. I'm sure some of them are. I'm waiting for evidence since this entire game of being outraged at how bad our president elect is won't change the result of the election.
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Oh found the Argentina story.
That is an excellent example of using the office and its contacts to influence policy.
Would be very ugly. Strangely it would not be illegal. WTF
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president is exempt from a lot of conflict of interest rules for public servants, though i would say a president should typically try and avoid impropriety/ the appearance thereof
i'm thinking the trump administration will be more scandal-ridden than a clinton one, lol.
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On November 22 2016 04:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
president is exempt from a lot of conflict of interest rules for public servants, though i would say a president should typically try and avoid impropriety/ the appearance thereof
i'm thinking the trump administration will be more scandal-ridden than a clinton one, lol.
I expect a lot of "Well that's blatantly fucked up. Yet not illegal. -_-"
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