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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 23:22:29
November 21 2016 23:21 GMT
#125601
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 21 2016 23:51 GMT
#125602
That guy's immigration law was shut down by the Supreme Court with Scalia writing the opinion. That should tell you something.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 22 2016 00:19 GMT
#125603
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 22 2016 00:21 GMT
#125604
On November 22 2016 06:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 06:20 Nevuk wrote:
Howard Dean is calling Steve Bannon a nazi.

Since President-elect Donald Trump announced that his former campaign CEO and Breitbart head Steve Bannon would be his chief strategist in the White House, Democrats, liberals and even some conservatives have expressed outrage over the selection.

Much of the criticism has been due to Bannon’s ties to the alt-right movement and his own comments that have been construed as anti-Semitic. In that vein, former DNC chairman Howard Dean spoke to a Texas news station about Bannon.

While speaking about Trump, Dean — who is running to be named chair of the DNC again — straight up called Bannon a “Nazi.”

“He appoints a reasonable person, who’s much more conservative than I am, but for somebody who can talk to, as chief of staff, and then his senior adviser is a Nazi,” Dean stated, bringing up Reince Priebus’s selection as Trump’s Chief of Staff.

KAUZ-TV: Newschannel 6 Now | Wichita Falls, TX

Calling Breitbart a “far-right, anti-Semitic publication,” Dean justified calling Bannon a Nazi by stating that “he’s anti-Semitic, he’s anti-black and he’s anti-women.”

When pressed by the reporter over using the “big word,” Dean repeated his criticism of Bannon.

“It’s a big word, and I don’t usually use it unless somebody’s really anti-Semitic, really misogynist and really anti-black,” Dean said.

This isn’t the first time Dean has said something controversial as it relates to Trump. During the campaign, he tweeted that Trump showed the signs of being a “coke user” and then defended those remarks during a TV interview. He would later issue a half-hearted apology.



http://www.mediaite.com/online/howard-dean-calls-steve-bannon-a-nazi/

Well, calling people nazis is always a bit dumb but Bannon and the alt-right really earned it. In fact it look like they kind of agree themselves :

Show nested quote +
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.

source

Show nested quote +
Reeling from that, I walked into the area where people were eating dinner just in time to see around 20 men – some wearing Make America Great Again hats – leap from their seats and give the Nazi salute to a speaker.

One of the men wearing a hat, called Mack, walked past and me and I asked what the salute was about.

“The whole thing is we have jokes that offend the outside and we laugh,” he said.

“It’s hilarious.”

While Mack and I were talking, MacDonald, the former professor, was giving his speech on America and Jewish consciousness. He’d started off his speech by saying: “Tonight I want to talk about Jews,” which had got a big laugh from the crowd.

I asked Mack, 30, if he believed in the Holocaust. A couple of people I’d spoken to earlier had expressed doubts.

“I’m not sure, I don’t know what to believe,” he said. “If it did happen, that’s a terrible thing. I don’t agree with genocide.

“But I mean, if it happened it’s a very practical, I mean an uber-practical, kind of thing to say: ‘If it is people among a people who, let’s say, are destroying Germany because of x, y, z, then let’s root them all out and destroy them as people completely.’

“That’s pretty practical. But it doesn’t mean that it’s a moral thing. It’s not admirable. I don’t think it’s a good thing.”

source

Those people seem brighter and brighter every time I read about them. Gonna be loooong four years, and I wish good luck to America and its people. You guys are gonna need it.

I feel like fascist would be a much better word choice than nazi for Bannon. Nazi applies to a very specific ideology that Bannon himself has never endorsed. Fascism is a bit different. Plus calling someone a nazi has never worked out well for the person doing it. It just makes Dean look hysterical. People keep trying to attach the various members of the alt right to Bannon and that doesn't really work
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
November 22 2016 00:47 GMT
#125605
On November 22 2016 09:19 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.

We can play this game you say voter suppression was taking place i say their was an attempt to curb voter fraud. Stop fear mongering, we will just have to wait and see what these policies entail before flying off the rails.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13892 Posts
November 22 2016 00:54 GMT
#125606
On November 22 2016 09:21 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 06:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 22 2016 06:20 Nevuk wrote:
Howard Dean is calling Steve Bannon a nazi.

Since President-elect Donald Trump announced that his former campaign CEO and Breitbart head Steve Bannon would be his chief strategist in the White House, Democrats, liberals and even some conservatives have expressed outrage over the selection.

Much of the criticism has been due to Bannon’s ties to the alt-right movement and his own comments that have been construed as anti-Semitic. In that vein, former DNC chairman Howard Dean spoke to a Texas news station about Bannon.

While speaking about Trump, Dean — who is running to be named chair of the DNC again — straight up called Bannon a “Nazi.”

“He appoints a reasonable person, who’s much more conservative than I am, but for somebody who can talk to, as chief of staff, and then his senior adviser is a Nazi,” Dean stated, bringing up Reince Priebus’s selection as Trump’s Chief of Staff.

KAUZ-TV: Newschannel 6 Now | Wichita Falls, TX

Calling Breitbart a “far-right, anti-Semitic publication,” Dean justified calling Bannon a Nazi by stating that “he’s anti-Semitic, he’s anti-black and he’s anti-women.”

When pressed by the reporter over using the “big word,” Dean repeated his criticism of Bannon.

“It’s a big word, and I don’t usually use it unless somebody’s really anti-Semitic, really misogynist and really anti-black,” Dean said.

This isn’t the first time Dean has said something controversial as it relates to Trump. During the campaign, he tweeted that Trump showed the signs of being a “coke user” and then defended those remarks during a TV interview. He would later issue a half-hearted apology.



http://www.mediaite.com/online/howard-dean-calls-steve-bannon-a-nazi/

Well, calling people nazis is always a bit dumb but Bannon and the alt-right really earned it. In fact it look like they kind of agree themselves :

But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.

source

Reeling from that, I walked into the area where people were eating dinner just in time to see around 20 men – some wearing Make America Great Again hats – leap from their seats and give the Nazi salute to a speaker.

One of the men wearing a hat, called Mack, walked past and me and I asked what the salute was about.

“The whole thing is we have jokes that offend the outside and we laugh,” he said.

“It’s hilarious.”

While Mack and I were talking, MacDonald, the former professor, was giving his speech on America and Jewish consciousness. He’d started off his speech by saying: “Tonight I want to talk about Jews,” which had got a big laugh from the crowd.

I asked Mack, 30, if he believed in the Holocaust. A couple of people I’d spoken to earlier had expressed doubts.

“I’m not sure, I don’t know what to believe,” he said. “If it did happen, that’s a terrible thing. I don’t agree with genocide.

“But I mean, if it happened it’s a very practical, I mean an uber-practical, kind of thing to say: ‘If it is people among a people who, let’s say, are destroying Germany because of x, y, z, then let’s root them all out and destroy them as people completely.’

“That’s pretty practical. But it doesn’t mean that it’s a moral thing. It’s not admirable. I don’t think it’s a good thing.”

source

Those people seem brighter and brighter every time I read about them. Gonna be loooong four years, and I wish good luck to America and its people. You guys are gonna need it.

I feel like fascist would be a much better word choice than nazi for Bannon. Nazi applies to a very specific ideology that Bannon himself has never endorsed. Fascism is a bit different. Plus calling someone a nazi has never worked out well for the person doing it. It just makes Dean look hysterical. People keep trying to attach the various members of the alt right to Bannon and that doesn't really work

Facism is a lot more vague and broad of a label then nazi. It was Idealized as a bastard hybrid of the class warfare tactics of the left with the politics of the right to form a "third way" for politics out of the left right spectrum.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 22 2016 00:56 GMT
#125607
President Barack Obama likes to say he’ll use the power of the pen to do whatever he can for American workers. But now that Donald Trump has won the White House, the real estate mogul can use the same pen to undo one of Obama’s most far-reaching reforms: bringing overtime protections to millions of workers.

Most hourly workers in the U.S. are automatically entitled to time-and-a-half pay when they work more than 40 hours in a week. But because of the way the rules have been written, millions of salaried employees ― like retail store managers and white-collar professionals ― haven’t enjoyed the same rights. That’s given employers an incentive to work those employees longer hours at the same base salary.

Earlier this year, the Obama administration overhauled those rules for the first time in years. Under the changes, far more employees who work on salary will be guaranteed overtime when they work extra hours.

The administration achieved that by raising what’s known as the “salary threshold.” All workers paid salaries below the threshold are entitled to time-and-a-half pay when they top 40 hours. The previous threshold was just $23,660. The new one is $47,476, or roughly double. That means just about any salaried worker earning less than that is ripe for overtime pay, regardless of their job duties, as of Dec. 1.

But all of that is now in limbo after the election. Republicans or the Trump administration could undo the changes ― though it wouldn’t be easy.

Faced with higher labor costs, business groups have fought the overtime reforms ever since the White House first floated them. The changes leave businesses with a difficult choice: Either limit eligible workers’ hours to 40, or be ready to start paying a premium on their labor. The Obama administration hopes that dilemma will leave workers with either bigger paychecks or shorter workweeks and a better work-life balance. Employers simply see higher labor costs.

By the White House’s estimate, the changes are bringing overtime protections to an additional 4.2 million workers, though some economists anticipate the real number will be even greater. Under the new rules, the Labor Department will update the salary threshold every three years to make sure it keeps pace with inflation and that the share of salaried workers getting overtime pay doesn’t fall.


Source
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44214 Posts
November 22 2016 01:10 GMT
#125608
Lower wages is heartbreaking. So many Trump supporters apparently don't mind losing extra pay, losing health insurance, or enabling bigotry and restrictions on rights... I wonder what their most important reason was for voting him into office. Guns? White supremacism? "Because he's not Hillary"?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 19:24:38
November 22 2016 01:12 GMT
#125609
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 22 2016 01:12 GMT
#125610
Has Trump even proposed eliminating that overtime change?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 01:32:41
November 22 2016 01:17 GMT
#125611
I don't think he has, at leats I haven't heard anything about it. while it's plausible he might, I think we should at least wait for statements or indications of serious consideration of the matter before worrying about what he'll do in that regard.
More generally, it's troubling that it's up to the president at all and can be freely changed at the presidential level. It should really be at the law level imho. Just to prevent the general problem of rules being unclear if presidents can reverse things, I'd like them to hvae more inertia. It's a pain for the system in general if rules seesaw back and forth based on which party the president is from.

edit add:
I really wish the gov't would stop being sloppy and include inflation/other adjustments to all relevant laws. There's way too many laws/rules that specify a number, which stops being the right number as time passes and goes faaaar too long without being updated.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 01:30:06
November 22 2016 01:23 GMT
#125612
On November 22 2016 10:12 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 09:47 Noidberg wrote:
On November 22 2016 09:19 Logo wrote:
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.

We can play this game you say voter suppression was taking place i say their was an attempt to curb voter fraud. Stop fear mongering, we will just have to wait and see what these policies entail before flying off the rails.


I'm just going to point out that there's huge amount of irony in you calling someone a "fear mongerer" and then endorsing attempts to curb voter fraud, which objectively is not a major issue or problem at all.

Just saying'


So enforcing the law is equated to fear mongering now. Trump almost lost this election to the swath of illegal voters which will be ousted once his immigration reform is put into place. Something around 2-3m convicted illegals will be deported and non-criminal illegals are still up in the air.

On November 22 2016 10:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
Has Trump even proposed eliminating that overtime change?

In one of his speeches he mentioned american wages were too high i cant find the source.... But since he wants to boost small business i can see how people are putting the dots together to form this opinion. More money for business owners(incentive) and less pay and more overtime for workers means a higher bottom line.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 22 2016 01:29 GMT
#125613
On November 22 2016 10:23 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 10:12 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On November 22 2016 09:47 Noidberg wrote:
On November 22 2016 09:19 Logo wrote:
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.

We can play this game you say voter suppression was taking place i say their was an attempt to curb voter fraud. Stop fear mongering, we will just have to wait and see what these policies entail before flying off the rails.


I'm just going to point out that there's huge amount of irony in you calling someone a "fear mongerer" and then endorsing attempts to curb voter fraud, which objectively is not a major issue or problem at all.

Just saying'


So enforcing the law is equated to fear mongering now. Trump almost lost this election to the swath of illegal voters which will be ousted once his immigration reform is put into place. Something around 2-3m convicted illegals will be deported and non-criminal illegals are still up in the air.

could you clarify/source what you're talking about?
It sounds like you're claiming that illegals were voting in significant numbers or something, contrary to the investigations as have been done.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 01:35:39
November 22 2016 01:33 GMT
#125614
On November 22 2016 09:47 Noidberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 09:19 Logo wrote:
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.

We can play this game you say voter suppression was taking place i say their was an attempt to curb voter fraud. Stop fear mongering, we will just have to wait and see what these policies entail before flying off the rails.


"I bring up voter fraud that has been proven not to exist in a meaningful way but you are the one fear mongering"
Logo
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
November 22 2016 01:35 GMT
#125615
On November 22 2016 10:29 zlefin wrote:
could you clarify/source what you're talking about?
It sounds like you're claiming that illegals were voting in significant numbers or something, contrary to the investigations as have been done.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

It was this video which spurred the controversy.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 22 2016 01:35 GMT
#125616
On November 22 2016 10:33 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 09:47 Noidberg wrote:
On November 22 2016 09:19 Logo wrote:
On November 22 2016 08:21 TanGeng wrote:
On November 22 2016 07:12 Noidberg wrote:
Christmas came early this year, the wall is for sure being built.

https://i.sli.mg/YfplQ8.jpg


It seems like we're going back to the deportation policies of Obama'08. Deportation of any undocumented alien following any arrest. Can Trump become the deporter-in-chief?

Edit: These high resolution photos are pretty good.


Please don't pay attention to the wall portion of that.

You should be terrified about whatever is written on the bottom of that document. It's at least 3 bullet points about Voter Rolls, Amendments to the Nation Voting ? and Directing the Deparment of Justice to do something presumably related to voting (it's between two points on voting).

This election was already influenced pretty heavily by voter suppression, it seems likely that trend is going to continue.

We can play this game you say voter suppression was taking place i say their was an attempt to curb voter fraud. Stop fear mongering, we will just have to wait and see what these policies entail before flying off the rails.


"I bring up voter fraud that has been proven not to exist but you are the one fear mongering"

Pretty sure there have been enough small cases to prove that voter fraud does exist, the question/debate is more around how severe it is, and if it's worth the risk to potentially limit legal citizens from voting to eliminate the fraud.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 22 2016 01:46 GMT
#125617
ok, ty noidberg, on that it seems pretty clear he wasn't encouraging illegals to vote, or planning to protect them, he was encouraging people who can lawfully vote to do so, which is pretty standard. that said he did clearly use some poor word choice which caused people with certain fears to see a problem

chewbacca -> voter fraud in general exists to a mild degree, in person voter fraud does not exist to any significant degree. (i.e. much less than 1 in a million)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 01:51:13
November 22 2016 01:48 GMT
#125618
On November 22 2016 10:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Lower wages is heartbreaking. So many Trump supporters apparently don't mind losing extra pay, losing health insurance, or enabling bigotry and restrictions on rights... I wonder what their most important reason was for voting him into office. Guns? White supremacism? "Because he's not Hillary"?



Its amazing how little democrats have learned from this election.
People voted for trump because they where extremely disappointed with the government from the last 8 years.
Is it that difficult to admit this? The democrats not only lost the presidency but also a ton of state legislatives.
The more trump voters are being painted as Nazis white supremacists bigotists and deplorable in general the worse the outlook for the democratic party becomes. This is even more stupid then the birther movement.
But all this is fine,the longer it takes for the democrats to get their act together the better the position of trump becomes.
What the democrats now offer is not an alternative for many trump voters,it only confirms them that they made the right choice lol.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
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Last Edited: 2016-11-22 01:57:21
November 22 2016 01:56 GMT
#125619
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/cheer-america-1-700-millionaires-100004739.html

25% of the population thrives, 75% struggles. And this balance will slowly get worse,growing the group of voters who could potentially feel "left behind".
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
November 22 2016 02:03 GMT
#125620
On November 22 2016 10:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Lower wages is heartbreaking. So many Drumpf supporters apparently don't mind losing extra pay, losing health insurance, or enabling bigotry and restrictions on rights... I wonder what their most important reason was for voting him into office. Guns? White supremacism? "Because he's not Hillary"?

The media hates him. He is not a politician. That's why he won. A Lot of people feel screwed by the system and hes their version of an outsider coming in.
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