US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5922

On November 05 2016 05:37 plasmidghost wrote:
Is it safe to assume that whoever wins Florida will likely win the election?

On November 05 2016 05:30 xDaunt wrote:
The mere fact that there's a poll out there showing Trump tied with Hillary in Michigan should give democrats pause.

On November 05 2016 05:46 Lazare1969 wrote:

The Clintons made most of their money from donors to the Clinton Foundation, not through taxpayer money.

On November 05 2016 06:04 Nebuchad wrote:


It does give me pause. The election is much closer than it should be considering what Trump stands for. However, I am also able to see that Trump loses Michigan most of the time. Aren't you?

Leading up to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign announcement, his inner circle was arguing about whether it needed balloons, models and even a live elephant.

Some members of Trump’s team wanted the event to be an over-the-top spectacle that would say in the loudest way possible: This is a different kind of candidate. Trump’s then-campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, fought them and pushed to make the launch more traditional.

In the end, there were no circus animals — but the June 2015 campaign kickoff at Trump Tower was hardly a typical political affair. The real estate mogul and reality television star made a grand entrance on his gilded escalator, a ride that became an iconic image of his White House bid. But perhaps the most memorable and controversial part of the launch was Trump’s fiery announcement speech, in which he accused the Mexican government of sending criminals and “rapists” over the border. Yet according to every source Yahoo News spoke with — in an extensive series of interviews with top staffers from the early days of the campaign — Trump’s comments about Mexican immigrants weren’t part of his prepared speech. They were, rather, an early sign of his proclivity for provocative ad-libs that would become one of the hallmarks of his presidential bid.

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The disputes over the announcement event were small skirmishes among many battles fought by the early members of Trump’s team. Some of the most bitter feuding involved [Sam] Nunberg, [Roger] Stone and [Corey] Lewandowski. All three men are no longer with the campaign and have engaged in vicious rounds of finger-pointing since their departures.

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The brash Nunberg, who speaks with a New York accent in streams of juicy gossip and maxims gleaned from the memoirs of political strategists, made an odd couple with the meticulous Stone. But they developed a strong rapport with Trump. Nunberg likened the arrangement to a law firm where Trump was the client, Stone was a named partner and he was an associate handling the day-to-day business for Trump’s account and trying to shoehorn actual proposals into the candidate’s infamously freewheeling speeches.

“He has the Donald Trump ‘variety show,’ and we fit in the policy,” Nunberg said.

According to Stone, Nunberg wrote strategy memos, speeches, press releases and even some of Trump’s tweets.

“There was nobody else. I mean, for almost two years [before Trump's campaign announcement] he carried the torch of Trump for president. He was the guy out there arguing with everybody in the party that Trump could win,” Stone said of Nunberg. “Sam alone was out there as a true believer, and he got Donald to be more conversant with issues.”

Nunberg even claims credit for Trump’s signature policy proposal — the wall on America’s southern border with Mexico.

“I created the wall with Roger,” Nunberg recounted. “The reason, and I’ll tell you this, the reason we did the wall — Roger and I discussed it in 2014 — was it was hard to get Donald to talk about policy.”

Stone isn’t so sure about this.

“Sometimes Sam will tell you that he thought of the wall,” Stone said. “Other times he’ll tell you Trump thought of the wall. I don’t really know who thought of the wall.”

Nunberg said Trump was mostly interested in doing his “variety show,” which included tales from his career as a real estate magnate and commentary on current events. He believed the wall was one of the only policy plans Trump was eager to discuss because it allowed him to tout his experience as a developer, and it lent itself to a favorite slogan.

“He would always talk about the wall because, guess what? As he made up, ‘Nobody builds like Trump,’” said Nunberg.

On November 05 2016 05:30 xDaunt wrote:
The mere fact that there's a poll out there showing Trump tied with Hillary in Michigan should give democrats pause.

On November 05 2016 05:53 plasmidghost wrote:
I wish I knew enough to determine which polls are good and which ones aren't so I could actually have a way to see odds

On November 05 2016 06:17 Plansix wrote:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/michigan/

Review this and the ratings of the polls for accuracy in previous elections. It is better than just looking at the raw data. Also remember that only one of those polls can be right(assuming they say different things)

On November 05 2016 06:15 Danglars wrote:

Maybe the Democrats will reflect when they consider their legislative agenda in view of 2018 or if Trump wins/barely loses Michigan (or Wisconsin/Pennsylvania).

I think now they're too busy with Hillary and congressional races.

On November 05 2016 06:07 Thieving Magpie wrote:


Even if Clinton wins 100% of the electoral votes, the fact that Trump's message is getting the kind response it has been getting makes me think so little of America as a whole.

On November 05 2016 06:25 xDaunt wrote:
And now there's a poll from Pennsylvania showing that state is tied.

On November 05 2016 06:25 xDaunt wrote:
And now there's a poll from Pennsylvania showing that state is tied.

On November 05 2016 06:53 Slaughter wrote:
I don't see trump.winning Mi....people here aren't to keen on Republicans at the moment with how shit our governor has been. It is a state that goes back and forth a fair bit but right now I would say people aren't fans of the elephant or their new orange mascot.

On November 05 2016 06:58 Mohdoo wrote:


The proper term is: Bigoted cheeto

On November 05 2016 06:59 Plansix wrote:

This is good. I support this name.

On November 05 2016 06:25 xDaunt wrote:
And now there's a poll from Pennsylvania showing that state is tied.

On November 05 2016 05:30 xDaunt wrote:
The mere fact that there's a poll out there showing Trump tied with Hillary in Michigan should give democrats pause.

On November 05 2016 06:42 ChristianS wrote:

You get that this is the exact thing pretty much everyone will tell you not to do with polls, right? Look at a bunch of them, find an outlier, pick it up and wave it around for everyone to see? It's the literal definition of cherry-picking.

If your point is that liberals should stop thinking they have this election in the bag, you're right, they should, but even if that's what you're arguing this is an extremely ineffective way to do it