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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5548 Posts
October 31 2016 18:31 GMT
#116641
http://time.com/4551711/hillary-clinton-emailgate/

Robin Lakoff is a professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of Language and Woman's Place

'It's not about emails; it's about public communication by a woman’

I am mad. I am mad because I am scared. And if you are a woman, you should be, too. Emailgate is a bitch hunt, but the target is not Hillary Clinton. It’s us.

The only reason the whole email flap has legs is because the candidate is female. Can you imagine this happening to a man? Clinton is guilty of SWF (Speaking While Female), and emailgate is just a reminder to us all that she has no business doing what she’s doing and must be punished, for the sake of all decent women everywhere. There is so much of that going around.

The people are demanding Clinton act like moral exemplars, thundering from the pulpit like Jonathan Edwards or Cotton Mather. But Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and their many conservative friends are not remotely Clinton’s moral superiors. They are simply bullies, using gender discrimination to give a veneer of plausibility to their accusations.

FBI Chief James Comey has shown himself to be another bully of the same kind. He has repeatedly talked down to Clinton, admonishing her as a bad parent would a 5-year-old. He has accused her of “poor judgment” and called her use of a private email server “extremely careless.” If Comey’s a Boy Scout, here’s one old lady who will never let him help her across the street.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 31 2016 18:33 GMT
#116642
On November 01 2016 03:31 oBlade wrote:
http://time.com/4551711/hillary-clinton-emailgate/

Show nested quote +
Robin Lakoff is a professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of Language and Woman's Place

'It's not about emails; it's about public communication by a woman’

I am mad. I am mad because I am scared. And if you are a woman, you should be, too. Emailgate is a bitch hunt, but the target is not Hillary Clinton. It’s us.

The only reason the whole email flap has legs is because the candidate is female. Can you imagine this happening to a man? Clinton is guilty of SWF (Speaking While Female), and emailgate is just a reminder to us all that she has no business doing what she’s doing and must be punished, for the sake of all decent women everywhere. There is so much of that going around.

The people are demanding Clinton act like moral exemplars, thundering from the pulpit like Jonathan Edwards or Cotton Mather. But Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and their many conservative friends are not remotely Clinton’s moral superiors. They are simply bullies, using gender discrimination to give a veneer of plausibility to their accusations.

FBI Chief James Comey has shown himself to be another bully of the same kind. He has repeatedly talked down to Clinton, admonishing her as a bad parent would a 5-year-old. He has accused her of “poor judgment” and called her use of a private email server “extremely careless.” If Comey’s a Boy Scout, here’s one old lady who will never let him help her across the street.

In other words liberals say stupid stuff too. But it is pretty impressive how quickly they turned on Comey here.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42568 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 18:37:29
October 31 2016 18:36 GMT
#116643
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 31 2016 18:37 GMT
#116644
I've noticed an inverse correlation between how much the "-gate" (and now -ghazi, I suppose) suffix is used and how seriously I have to take something.

Went through the -gate wiki page at some point and found that they were all stupid, or only called -gate by pop media and is better known as something generic.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 31 2016 18:39 GMT
#116645
I don't see "everyone else does it and only I get in trouble" as a real argument that justifies anything, unless you're trying to prove that other people should be punished too. It reminds me of people who were complaining that George Zimmerman's wife was charged with perjury when she actually committed perjury. She did the crime, tough shit if she was the one who got singled out for punishment.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 18:42:16
October 31 2016 18:41 GMT
#116646
On November 01 2016 03:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I've noticed an inverse correlation between how much the "-gate" (and now -ghazi, I suppose) suffix is used and how seriously I have to take something.

Went through the -gate wiki page at some point and found that they were all stupid, or only called -gate by pop media and is better known as something generic.

I dunno, these days -gate is generally used ironically most of the time.

I like the -ghazi take that Kwark (?) came up with though. It does amuse me.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 31 2016 18:45 GMT
#116647
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


But if the jews are working to keep gold down, and according to nettles gold will always go up and its always a good time to buy gold, does that mean the jews are really bad at controlling the world?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 31 2016 18:46 GMT
#116648
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way.


I think there's both at play and quite clearly. Like Clinton went from a 69% approval rating after being Secretary of State to plummeting as she geared up to run and there's evidence of that happening to other women like Warren (disliked during campaign, beloved during the job).

I think there's a lot factors here, but it at least seems like if Clinton was a man her approval rating would probably stick more to her high points as she campaigned rather than being so fleeting when she tries to go from one job to another.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/why-hillary-clinton-would-be-strong-in-2016-its-not-her-favorability-ratings/?hp&_r=0
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 31 2016 18:52 GMT
#116649
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42568 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 18:57:48
October 31 2016 18:55 GMT
#116650
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 19:07:08
October 31 2016 19:05 GMT
#116651
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 31 2016 19:11 GMT
#116652
A former top Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) official has accused Congress of putting pharmaceutical company profits ahead of public health in the battle to combat the US’s prescription opioid epidemic.

Joseph Rannazzisi, head of the DEA office responsible for preventing prescription medicine abuse until last year, said drug companies and their lobbyists have a “stranglehold” on Congress to protect a $9bn a year trade in opioid painkillers claiming the lives of nearly 19,000 people a year.

Rannazzisi, director of the agency’s office of diversion control for a decade, said the drug industry engineered recent legislation limiting the DEA’s powers to act against pharmacies endangering lives by dispensing disproportionately large numbers of opioids. He also accused lobbyists, who have spent hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years to influence opioid legislation and policy, of whipping up opposition to new guidelines for doctors intended to reduce the prescribing of the painkillers with a close resemblance to heroin.

“Congress would rather listen to people who had a profit motive rather than a public health and safety motive,” said Rannazzisi. “As long as the industry has this stranglehold through lobbyists, nothing’s going to change.”

The former DEA official, who is a pharmacist, was particularly scathing about politicians he said claim to be at the forefront of fighting the opioid epidemic while doing the bidding of the pharmaceutical industry in Congress.

“These congressmen and senators who are using this because they are up for re-election, it’s a sham. The congressmen and senators who are championing this fight, the ones who really believe in what they’re doing, their voices are drowned out because the industry has too much influence,” he said.

Charges that Congress is too beholden to pharmaceutical companies have been levelled for years, particularly over controversial legislation such as the law that barred the government from negotiating lower prices for drugs bought for the Medicare and Medicaid systems. But Rannazzisi says the influence on opioid policies is particularly disturbing because so many lives are being lost and he sees members of Congress claiming to take the issue seriously during election campaigns but acting differently in Washington.

That’s a criticism echoed by Democrats in the Senate, who issued a report earlier this month criticising Republicans for passing sweeping legislation in July to combat addiction, the Comprehensive Addiction and Recovery Act (Cara), but refusing to fund it. The report, Dying Waiting for Treatment, likened the Republican response to the opioid crisis to “using a piece of chewing gum to patch a cracked dam”. “The bill was ‘comprehensive’ in name only; without funding, its policies are little more than empty promises,” the report said.

Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, who released the report, acknowledged the influence of drug companies and their lobbyists on Congress but he has also been critical of their sway over federal institutions. “There is no question that the powerful opioid manufacturers have a disproportionate voice, a disproportionate amount of influence, in these debates,” he said.

Rannazzisi clashed with Congress over a law passed in April reducing the DEA’s power to suspend the licenses of distributors and pharmacists accused of dispensing excessive amounts of opioids without abiding by regulations.


Source
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 19:21:45
October 31 2016 19:20 GMT
#116653
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.


As someone who has actually lived in a FEMA camp - for close to a year - I have to say they're not nearly as bad as people make out. It was a tad cramped, but the worst problem I remember was a water heater that only provided hot water for about 7 minutes.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 19:25:14
October 31 2016 19:23 GMT
#116654
Of course they're not but that's the point, the entire narrative is that the Government is bad and that privatization is the saving grace. Nothing should ever be able to change that narrative.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 19:31:47
October 31 2016 19:28 GMT
#116655
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.

The difference is in the extent to which people believe it. I could easily be convinced that Hillary is a crook - Obama just doesn't really fit his accusations.

On November 01 2016 04:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.


As someone who has actually lived in a FEMA camp - for close to a year - I have to say they're not nearly as bad as people make out. It was a tad cramped, but the worst problem I remember was a water heater that only provided hot water for about 7 minutes.

Was it one of those death camps or the regular FEMA camps?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-31 19:46:39
October 31 2016 19:42 GMT
#116656
On November 01 2016 04:28 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.

The difference is in the extent to which people believe it. I could easily be convinced that Hillary is a crook - Obama just doesn't really fit his accusations.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 04:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.


As someone who has actually lived in a FEMA camp - for close to a year - I have to say they're not nearly as bad as people make out. It was a tad cramped, but the worst problem I remember was a water heater that only provided hot water for about 7 minutes.

Was it one of those death camps or the regular FEMA camps?


Hard to tell. I did get low grade formaldehyde poisoning while I was there, so it may have been either a really bad death camp or a mediocre regular one.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 31 2016 19:43 GMT
#116657
On November 01 2016 04:28 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.

The difference is in the extent to which people believe it. I could easily be convinced that Hillary is a crook - Obama just doesn't really fit his accusations.

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On November 01 2016 04:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.


As someone who has actually lived in a FEMA camp - for close to a year - I have to say they're not nearly as bad as people make out. It was a tad cramped, but the worst problem I remember was a water heater that only provided hot water for about 7 minutes.

Was it one of those death camps or the regular FEMA camps?


That IS the difference. Obama has conspiratorial allegations against him, but other than blowback against his choices that he makes as President (PPACA, certain regulations being struck down by SCOTUS, Iran deal) he doesn't actually give fuel to the fire.

The closest thing Obama has had to a scandal that is Clintonian is Benghazi. Its true that even he probably regrets his choices in that situation, but the reason there is a scandal is because he and his deputies initially misled the public about what actually happened for political gain. That is a monthly occurrence for Clinton, whereas with Obama it sticks out because of its rarity.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42568 Posts
October 31 2016 19:46 GMT
#116658
On November 01 2016 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
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On November 01 2016 04:28 LegalLord wrote:
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.

The difference is in the extent to which people believe it. I could easily be convinced that Hillary is a crook - Obama just doesn't really fit his accusations.

On November 01 2016 04:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 01 2016 04:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:55 KwarK wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:52 cLutZ wrote:
On November 01 2016 03:36 KwarK wrote:
heh, that's a reach

Clinton is the victim of doing what everyone else does while having the last name Clinton. It's not because she's a woman, it's because she's running against a witch hunting paranoid bunch of anti-establishment lunatics who really do believe that the Jews control everything and that behind every meeting are the forces repressing the gold standard. While it's fun to blame sexism, and there certainly isn't any shortage of that among the alt-right and the Republican party in general, this would be happening either way. People want to believe that there is more to this than just an email server and so they'll make the pattern fit.


Amazing how the Obama's have escaped the wrath of this right wing conspiracy of lunatics with virtually no scandals.

Yeah. Nobody ever came up with any paranoid conspiracy theories related to Obama, his religion, place of birth or his plans to create a federal police force, attack Texas with ISIS partisans, and join forces with his old college roommate, Marshall Law, to take over the government. There is no precedent for crazy theories within the current opposition and certainly not at its head. The Republican leadership have wholeheartedly rejected the kind of lunatic who embraces all those theories and adds a few of his own relating to climate change and China, not to mention who is really behind ISIS (the answer will shock you).


Don't forget he's an atheist Muslim but is secretly planning to enact the radical agenda of his pastor. Or the FEMA camps.


As someone who has actually lived in a FEMA camp - for close to a year - I have to say they're not nearly as bad as people make out. It was a tad cramped, but the worst problem I remember was a water heater that only provided hot water for about 7 minutes.

Was it one of those death camps or the regular FEMA camps?


That IS the difference. Obama has conspiratorial allegations against him, but other than blowback against his choices that he makes as President (PPACA, certain regulations being struck down by SCOTUS, Iran deal) he doesn't actually give fuel to the fire.

The closest thing Obama has had to a scandal that is Clintonian is Benghazi. Its true that even he probably regrets his choices in that situation, but the reason there is a scandal is because he and his deputies initially misled the public about what actually happened for political gain. That is a monthly occurrence for Clinton, whereas with Obama it sticks out because of its rarity.

Ah, you must be here on a cultural exchange from the universe in which he wasn't hounded for 8 years about his national origins.
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
October 31 2016 19:47 GMT
#116659
On November 01 2016 01:36 farvacola wrote:
And LegalLord waves the white flag, as expected. Way to wuss out, though I'm sure someone can join you in short order as they too tacitly admit that they don't actually read the posts they comment on. Kwizach even provided the counterpoint to every tired forum debate escape hatch you listed.

For more on the phenomena given evidence by LegalLord's exchanges with others here, I highly recommend ChristianS' blog on Scott Adams and "the cult of suavity."

I'm confused what my Scott Adams blog has to do with this, and what "suavity" is, but thanks for the recommendation i guess
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 31 2016 19:59 GMT
#116660
On November 01 2016 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Of course they're not but that's the point, the entire narrative is that the Government is bad and that privatization is the saving grace. Nothing should ever be able to change that narrative.


You believe the government should get bigger and bigger? when does it stop?
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