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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
October 18 2016 10:14 GMT
#112621
On October 18 2016 17:13 Dismay wrote:
I see claims that Scott Foval (one of the guys in the video about inciting violence at Trump rallies) got fired today but no sources or anything.

Wouldn't surprise me.
Everyone knew it was going on, thankfully in this age of mobile cameras you can't get away with as much anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 18 2016 10:31 GMT
#112622
On October 18 2016 16:08 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 11:50 CatharsisUT wrote:
Good news people of the politics megathread! The 538 predictor graph has been updated with:

[image loading]

More x-axis labels!

Good. Well, in that case, I agree with the original statement that pussygate had a tiny impact, if any, on Trump's chances to become president. Clearly the first debate was the real dealbreaker for him, and the second debate was, at best, insufficient to turn it around (preaching to the choir, as many here have noted). Can't really distinguish between pussygate and the 2nd debate, but there's not a large jump.

again, the original statement that he argued against was this:
Donald Trump has lost little support since the first presidential debate, despite days of damaging news stories about his treatment of women, according to a new poll.

hence his screenshot with the timing of the first debate, to show that the FIRST debate hurt him (even if he technically speaking might not have lost people already voting for him)...
you're not even disagreeing with what he's saying. The only time I see him mentioning the 2nd debate is when he acknowledged that the "I'll put her in jail" line probably sells well with his base.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17978 Posts
October 18 2016 10:42 GMT
#112623
On October 18 2016 19:31 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 16:08 Acrofales wrote:
On October 18 2016 11:50 CatharsisUT wrote:
Good news people of the politics megathread! The 538 predictor graph has been updated with:

[image loading]

More x-axis labels!

Good. Well, in that case, I agree with the original statement that pussygate had a tiny impact, if any, on Trump's chances to become president. Clearly the first debate was the real dealbreaker for him, and the second debate was, at best, insufficient to turn it around (preaching to the choir, as many here have noted). Can't really distinguish between pussygate and the 2nd debate, but there's not a large jump.

again, the original statement that he argued against was this:
Show nested quote +
Donald Trump has lost little support since the first presidential debate, despite days of damaging news stories about his treatment of women, according to a new poll.

hence his screenshot with the timing of the first debate, to show that the FIRST debate hurt him (even if he technically speaking might not have lost people already voting for him)...
you're not even disagreeing with what he's saying. The only time I see him mentioning the 2nd debate is when he acknowledged that the "I'll put her in jail" line probably sells well with his base.

Ok. I remember agreeing with him, just thinking the graph was quite useless with a lack of data on the x-axis. I just misremembered the news post he was replying to, thinking it was talking about pussygate/2nd debate rather than the first debate. Clearly, most polls (and thus an aggregator like 538) register a significant change since the first debate.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
October 18 2016 11:29 GMT
#112624
Bill O'Reilly on Colbert. Was actually pretty good to be honest. I wasnt expecting O'Reilly to be so honest and open about supporting hillary.
+ Show Spoiler +



+ Show Spoiler +


farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
October 18 2016 11:31 GMT
#112625
Seeing O'Reilly talk like that is some serious twilight zone shit, thanks Trump!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44257 Posts
October 18 2016 12:23 GMT
#112626
As O'Reilly has gotten older- especially during this election cycle- I've seen him become more and more disillusioned with his Republican-no-matter-what bullshit.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17978 Posts
October 18 2016 12:37 GMT
#112627
On October 18 2016 20:29 RoomOfMush wrote:
Bill O'Reilly on Colbert. Was actually pretty good to be honest. I wasnt expecting O'Reilly to be so honest and open about supporting hillary.
+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW-seXnhBc

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXnKxVXEIw

Where do you get that he is supporting Hillary? I definitely get the "Trump is a fucking idiot" vibe, but no pro-Hillary vibe at all. He respects her, but I don't get the feeling he'd vote for her.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21655 Posts
October 18 2016 12:41 GMT
#112628
On October 18 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
As O'Reilly has gotten older- especially during this election cycle- I've seen him become more and more disillusioned with his Republican-no-matter-what bullshit.

Which is weird since I believe that O'Reilly played a considerable part in creating the current voter base of the Republican party.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 19:18:08
October 18 2016 12:48 GMT
#112629
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2016 13:09 GMT
#112630
On October 18 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
As O'Reilly has gotten older- especially during this election cycle- I've seen him become more and more disillusioned with his Republican-no-matter-what bullshit.

He was way less pro Republican back when he was on Inside Edition and on his radio show. He doubled down the longer he was on Fox News. My father and I had a theory that it is just a character and he would have been all in Democrat if he was on MSNBC. Not that it makes me like him, but I never really felt he was anything more than a talking head.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 18 2016 13:31 GMT
#112631
Bill knows his brand and his audience and he has spent years telling them exactly what they want to hear. Maybe it's because he is retiring soon or because Trump is that offensive to him but it seems like he doesn't care about that brand at the moment
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:03:19
October 18 2016 13:41 GMT
#112632
Exxon Mobil Corp asked a federal court on Monday to throw out a subpoena from New York state that would force the oil company to hand over decades of documents as part of a wide-ranging inquiry into whether it misled investors about climate change risks.

The filing means Exxon has now requested the US district court in Fort Worth, Texas for injunctions against two major climate subpoenas: one issued by New York and another from Massachusetts that the company challenged in June.

Exxon, which for more than a decade has acknowledged the risks of climate change, has criticised the prosecutors’ inquiries as politically motivated.

A group of state attorneys general, led by New York, said in March they would go after the world’s largest publicly traded oil company for allegedly violating securities laws by soft-pedaling the dangers of climate change and efforts to fight it.

Judge Ed Kinkeade has yet to rule on Exxon’s requests in the high-profile case.

But in a statement to the court last week, Kinkeade said he would be concerned if there was “bias or prejudgement about what the investigation of Exxon would discover” when Massachusetts attorney general Maura Healey issued her subpoena.

Her office was not immediately available for comment on Monday.
Eric Soufer, spokesman for New York State’s attorney general, accused Exxon of forum-shopping.

“Exxon will do everything in its power to distract, delay, and avoid any investigation into its actions, which may have violated state securities and consumer fraud laws. Exxon’s latest claims in its stunt litigation in Texas are meritless,” he said.

On Friday, New York filed in a New York court to derail Exxon’s latest request.
In its filing, Exxon said New York’s inquiry has periodically shifted focus, first by looking for misleading comments about climate change, then moving onto the value of its reserves and how they might be “stranded” in the ground by carbon regulation in the future.

Exxon said in September the US Securities & Exchange Commission is the right agency to vet how it books reserves and that it complies with accounting and securities laws.

Some legal experts have said that, regardless of Exxon’s past comments on climate change, it could not have violated securities laws because investors gather their information from a variety of entities with disparate views.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:04:05
October 18 2016 13:59 GMT
#112633
On October 18 2016 22:31 Adreme wrote:
Bill knows his brand and his audience and he has spent years telling them exactly what they want to hear. Maybe it's because he is retiring soon or because Trump is that offensive to him but it seems like he doesn't care about that brand at the moment

The audience that believes the establishment republican stuff is shrinking pretty fast.
Bill is no fool, he can see that.His show persona is just an act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2016 14:04 GMT
#112634
Establishment is quickly becoming a meaningless word.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
October 18 2016 14:06 GMT
#112635
Journalists shower Hillary Clinton with campaign cash
Far fewer making contributions to Donald Trump, analysis shows


https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash

In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis.

Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton: About 430 people who work in journalism have, through August, combined to give about $382,000 to the Democratic nominee, the Center for Public Integrity’s analysis indicates.


[image loading]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 18 2016 14:07 GMT
#112636
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
October 18 2016 14:08 GMT
#112637
You mean to tell me that journalists aren't supporting the candidate who said
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected,"

wow, how surprising.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21655 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:10:02
October 18 2016 14:09 GMT
#112638
On October 18 2016 23:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Journalists shower Hillary Clinton with campaign cash
Far fewer making contributions to Donald Trump, analysis shows


https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash
Show nested quote +

In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis.

Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton: About 430 people who work in journalism have, through August, combined to give about $382,000 to the Democratic nominee, the Center for Public Integrity’s analysis indicates.


And what is the point of this?

Are you somehow amazing that journalists are not contributing to the campaign of a man who will seek to prosecute them if they are 'mean' to him?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:16:06
October 18 2016 14:14 GMT
#112639
On October 18 2016 23:08 farvacola wrote:
You mean to tell me that journalists aren't supporting the candidate who said
Show nested quote +
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected,"

wow, how surprising.

For the press to be neutral, the politicians must accept the coverage that they create for themselves. If you attack them, or threaten their lively hood, they are no longer neutral. Attacking the press is just dangerous and the GOP has been playing that game for decades.

Also, judges are allows to vote and support political candidates. People don’t give up their rights to be a part of democracy because of their profession. We can separate our professional and personal lives.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 14:22:14
October 18 2016 14:19 GMT
#112640
On October 18 2016 23:08 farvacola wrote:
You mean to tell me that journalists aren't supporting the candidate who said
Show nested quote +
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected,"

wow, how surprising.

By that logic Clinton shouldn't be getting 95%+ of Wall St donations because she said she'd be toughest on Wall St.
She says it on her own site : Hillarys plan to take on Wall St is "The toughest"
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factchecks/2016/03/09/clintons-wall-street-plan-is-the-toughest-just-ask-the-experts-3/

No, likely the journalists were already biased toward dems.Don't go around claiming the media isn't biased, it's pretty laughable at this stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
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