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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24390 Posts
October 17 2016 17:56 GMT
#112461
On October 18 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:


Like already? They are already pledging to oppose unknown nominees? Are we going to have 8 judges on the bench until the GOP goes through whatever crisis it is having?


I guess this answers the question of whether Republicans plan on working with Clinton on anything they wouldn't pass on their own. "4 more years! (of obstruction)".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 18:01 GMT
#112462
On October 18 2016 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lauraolin/status/788074163621822464

Like already? They are already pledging to oppose unknown nominees? Are we going to have 8 judges on the bench until the GOP goes through whatever crisis it is having?


I guess this answers the question of whether Republicans plan on working with Clinton on anything they wouldn't pass on their own. "4 more years! (of obstruction)".

Thank god the polls are showing Democrats might control the senate. If they can work through all the held up appointments, it would be a small victory.
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
October 17 2016 18:04 GMT
#112463
On October 18 2016 00:27 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2016 21:49 farvacola wrote:
On October 17 2016 21:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 17 2016 19:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 17 2016 19:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 17 2016 19:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 17 2016 18:57 Acrofales wrote:
On October 17 2016 18:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 17 2016 18:09 Acrofales wrote:
On October 17 2016 17:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
[quote]
Not surprised.

I'm a big fan. Nit only is he hillarious but his teal does a fantastic investigation job. He is second to no one to expose hypocrisy

John Oliver is hilarious, but he doesn't really do investigative reporting. No more than Colbert or Jon Stewart were journalists. What you could call him, I guess, is a meta-investigator: he has a great team that searches the world for interesting articles, and he aggregates them to create a funny, and poignant item. He is incredibly good at that.

He is also a bit like Michael Moore, in the sense that he will take an issue and shed a very one-sided light on the matter. I don't mind it, because I tend to agree with him. And because his whole show should be seen as an editorial in the opinion section in the newspaper, rather than in the news section (as would be the case if it were actual investigative reporting), it is quite acceptable. However, I can see how a conservative American could find his viewpoint incredibly conceited and thus not funny at all. Just as those conservative voices don't like Krugman's opinion pieces in the NYT.

Well as i said, his team does an investigation job, not himself. He is just delivering, in his really funny way, and he is a comedian, not a journalist.

I disagree with you though, i think he stays always very close to the facts. I get that republucans don't want to hear certain facts (that's also true for democrats), and he really doesn't hide his opinion, but i don't see him as biased in the sense that he never twists anything, and always supports his claims.

I don't say that he twists anything. You can not twist anything and still shed a very one-sided light, simply by omitting the other side's viewpoint. The facts can be explained in different ways, and Oliver chooses a specific way of explaining those facts. Michael Moore is very similar (albeit more to an extreme). I don't think Oliver attempts to be unbiased, and in fact, I think he himself would probably be a bit offended if you told him you thought he brought unbiased reports on the issue, just as he was apparently a bit offended by people calling him (and his team) investigative journalists:



That doesn't mean I don't love his show. I like his humor, I enjoy his point of view, and am often impressed by the depth to which he goes on the topic of the week.

I can agree with all of that.

I think one has to distinguish him from people like Maher (to whom he was compared before) who brings very little facts on the table. What i like about oliver is the depth at which he goes into certain topics while staying very accessible, and that i always end up having learnt a great deal.


I didn't say anything about how they present information. I just compared him to Maher for his smugness.

British humour, not for everyone.

I'm also quite sure you are uncomfortable with the content of what he says, and that probably don't help you to like him.


Nothing he says makes me uncomfortable I just don't find him funny, entertaining, or fair. Some of the content his writers put out is interesting but that's nothing to credit him for.

Given that Oliver writes and produces the show in addition to hosting it, I'm not sure that makes any sense.


That's actually really impressive.

It would be if they had more than like 10 episodes a year...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 18:09:37
October 17 2016 18:09 GMT
#112464
On October 18 2016 02:45 Nevuk wrote:
I think Russia will drop Trump like nuclear waste after he loses.

Or they could drop that nuclear waste on a country that isn't being very friendly.

Honestly I don't think Russia wants Trump or believes he has a good chance of winning. Any involvement is just a low-cost way to pull at tensions within the US political system and bring out the stupid using a "useful idiot" as a tool. Not a great thing to do but all the big countries do that to each other and to little countries. It's a testament to how divided the country is along party lines that people don't really believe or care that someone is apparently meddling in the election.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6598 Posts
October 17 2016 18:09 GMT
#112465
On October 18 2016 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lauraolin/status/788074163621822464

Like already? They are already pledging to oppose unknown nominees? Are we going to have 8 judges on the bench until the GOP goes through whatever crisis it is having?


I guess this answers the question of whether Republicans plan on working with Clinton on anything they wouldn't pass on their own. "4 more years! (of obstruction)".

We need more sane, moderate Republicans like this to distance themselves from the nominee.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 17 2016 18:15 GMT
#112466
On October 18 2016 03:09 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 18 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lauraolin/status/788074163621822464

Like already? They are already pledging to oppose unknown nominees? Are we going to have 8 judges on the bench until the GOP goes through whatever crisis it is having?


I guess this answers the question of whether Republicans plan on working with Clinton on anything they wouldn't pass on their own. "4 more years! (of obstruction)".

We need more sane, moderate Republicans like this to distance themselves from the nominee.


Then the tea party runs against anyone who works with democrats and not working with others is a selling point for the candidacy for some reason that people think is useful.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
October 17 2016 18:16 GMT
#112467
On October 18 2016 03:09 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 02:45 Nevuk wrote:
I think Russia will drop Trump like nuclear waste after he loses.

Or they could drop that nuclear waste on a country that isn't being very friendly.

Honestly I don't think Russia wants Trump or believes he has a good chance of winning. Any involvement is just a low-cost way to pull at tensions within the US political system and bring out the stupid using a "useful idiot" as a tool. Not a great thing to do but all the big countries do that to each other and to little countries. It's a testament to how divided the country is along party lines that people don't really believe or care that someone is apparently meddling in the election.

In an interview with Bloomberg Putin said he doesn't want an unpredictable president (which quite obviously refers to Trump). Of course Putin lies when it suits him but I found the logic behind it solid enough to believe that he really isn't in favour of a Trump presidency although I doubt he likes Clinton either.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
October 17 2016 18:17 GMT
#112468


Scum, just pure scum. Really a testament to how far political parties are willing to fall, no way this is not coming up in the next debate.

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“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44384 Posts
October 17 2016 18:19 GMT
#112469
Wanna tell us what's in the youtube video zeo or should I just put on my tin foil helmet and tune it to Russian frequencies?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 17 2016 18:19 GMT
#112470
North Dakota prosecutors are seeking “riot” charges against Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman for her reporting on the oil pipeline protests, drawing widespread concerns about press intimidation and free speech violations.

After the award-winning broadcast journalist filmed security guards working for the Dakota access pipeline using dogs and pepper spray on protesters, authorities issued a warrant for Goodman’s arrest, accusing her of “criminal trespass”. Now, state prosecutors are alleging that she participated in a “riot”, a serious offense that could result in months in jail.

“I wasn’t trespassing, I wasn’t engaging in a riot, I was doing my job as a journalist by covering a violent attack on Native American protesters,” Goodman said in a statement on Sunday in advance of a Monday court appearance.

The case stems from a 3 September report when Goodman traveled to the Native American-led protest against a controversial $3.8bn oil pipeline that the Standing Rock Sioux tribe says is threatening its water supply and cultural heritage.

Goodman’s dispatch on the use of dogs went viral and has since garnered 14m views on Facebook and also prompted coverage from many news outlets, including CBS, NBC, NPR and CNN.

Last week, the North Dakota state attorney’s office emailed Goodman’s attorney, admitting that there were “legal issues with proving the notice of trespassing requirements in the statute”, according to Democracy Now! Prosecutors subsequently informed the journalist’s lawyers that the state was instead accusing her of being involved in a riot.

“Obviously, the charges are ridiculous and baseless,” Reed Brody, one of Goodman’s lawyers, told the Guardian on Monday. “Amy Goodman is not somebody who is intimidated by being prosecuted for her reporting. I think that the authorities are just shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.”

In one email, state’s attorney Ladd Erickson alleged that Goodman “was not acting as a journalist”, according to Democracy Now! However, the original trespassing complaint noted that she is a reporter, with prosecutors writing that Goodman “can be seen on video identifying herself and interviewing protesters”.

Erickson claimed to the local Bismarck Tribune newspaper that Goodman is a “a protester, basically”, adding, “Everything she reported on was from the position of justifying the protest actions.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18466 Posts
October 17 2016 18:21 GMT
#112471
@zeo: I don't think debate moderators watch Infowars. You should probably email them and tell them about whatever conspiracy-of-the-day your youtube video hypes.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 17 2016 18:21 GMT
#112472
One important thing to know about Amy Goodman is she faces 45 years in prison while Edward Snowden only faces 30 years.
Logo
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 18:27:33
October 17 2016 18:25 GMT
#112473
On October 18 2016 03:19 KwarK wrote:
Wanna tell us what's in the youtube video zeo or should I just put on my tin foil helmet and tune it to Russian frequencies?

DNC, Clinton Campaign and Clinton Super PAC employees on video talking about paying and organizing people to incite violence at Trump events.

edit: stuff like this

+ Show Spoiler +
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“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 18:27 GMT
#112474
I feel qualified in saying the video is fake.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
October 17 2016 18:30 GMT
#112475
On October 18 2016 03:27 Plansix wrote:
I feel qualified in saying the video is fake.

Denile is not just a river in Egypt.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 17 2016 18:30 GMT
#112476
Surprised that's not all over Fox News if it's legit. That's the same guy who did secret video of ACORN right?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#112477
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 17 2016 18:39 GMT
#112478
On October 18 2016 03:30 Doodsmack wrote:
Surprised that's not all over Fox News if it's legit. That's the same guy who did secret video of ACORN right?


Im assuming after that video was found to be a massively edited piece of footage to make them look worse than they actually were and then his next set of videos turned out to be massively edited pieces of footage that did the same its possible that even Fox News is smart enough to not jump on any more of this guys fake journalism.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 17 2016 18:41 GMT
#112479
On October 18 2016 03:16 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:09 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2016 02:45 Nevuk wrote:
I think Russia will drop Trump like nuclear waste after he loses.

Or they could drop that nuclear waste on a country that isn't being very friendly.

Honestly I don't think Russia wants Trump or believes he has a good chance of winning. Any involvement is just a low-cost way to pull at tensions within the US political system and bring out the stupid using a "useful idiot" as a tool. Not a great thing to do but all the big countries do that to each other and to little countries. It's a testament to how divided the country is along party lines that people don't really believe or care that someone is apparently meddling in the election.

In an interview with Bloomberg Putin said he doesn't want an unpredictable president (which quite obviously refers to Trump). Of course Putin lies when it suits him but I found the logic behind it solid enough to believe that he really isn't in favour of a Trump presidency although I doubt he likes Clinton either.

From a purely logical perspective, I can't imagine Putin actually wanting Trump to be president. No one benefits from a president who doesn't understand why we can't use nuclear weapons and who could as easily be triggered by a minor slight as bought over by a compliment. But at the same time I can easily see how the campaign of Trump presents a useful opportunity to influence the state of public discourse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 18:42 GMT
#112480
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.
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