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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 17 2016 18:43 GMT
#112481
On October 18 2016 02:28 Dan HH wrote:
I don't see why he wouldn't be able to have a TV network with Russian investment if RT America has been going for 6 years

e: forgot a word



exactly, i was gonna talk about RT America, whats the big deal?
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
October 17 2016 18:44 GMT
#112482
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14898 Posts
October 17 2016 18:45 GMT
#112483
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.


he got off with a fine and probation
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 18:48 GMT
#112484
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

That has nothing to do with wire tapping.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 18:57:19
October 17 2016 18:56 GMT
#112485
He also once tried to lure a female CNN reporter onto a yacht he filled with dildos in some sort of bizarre attempt to embarrass her.

Dude is clowny af
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
October 17 2016 18:56 GMT
#112486
On October 18 2016 03:39 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:30 Doodsmack wrote:
Surprised that's not all over Fox News if it's legit. That's the same guy who did secret video of ACORN right?


Im assuming after that video was found to be a massively edited piece of footage to make them look worse than they actually were and then his next set of videos turned out to be massively edited pieces of footage that did the same its possible that even Fox News is smart enough to not jump on any more of this guys fake journalism.


FOVAL: So one of the things we do is we stage very authentic grassroots protests right in their faces at their own events. Like, we infiltrate. And then we get it on tape. And then, when our guys get beat up —

Project Veritas: You mean authentic-seeming grassroots?

FOVAL: No, authentic.

PV: You mean —

FOVAL: Protesters.

PV: So like — progressive, what we saw in Madison.

FOVAL: We train up our people, wherever they are, to — and I work with a network of groups, we train them up on how to get themselves into a situation on tape, on camera, that we can use later.

PV: So some of this, so I probably know your work.

FOVAL: I know you do. Everybody does. But —

PV: You mean like a situation where it’s sort of like a —

FOVAL: You remember the Iowa State Fair thing where Scott Walker grabbed the sign out of the dude’s hand and then the dude gets kind of roughed up right in front of the stage right there on camera?

PV: Yeah.

FOVAL: That was all us. The guy that got roughed up is my counterpart, who works for Bob [Creamer].

PV: And that was like, storyboarded? Him getting roughed up like that?

FOVAL: We scenarioed it.

PV: And so you, like leant yourselves to that situation and it happened. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

FOVAL: We not only leant ourselves, we planted multiple people in that front area around him and in the back to make sure there wasn’t just a action that happened up front, there was also a reaction that happened out back. So the cameras, when they saw it, saw double angles of stuff like, they saw what happened up front, and they saw the reaction of people out back.

PV: That’s fucking brilliant. That’s brilliant.

FOVAL: And then the reporters had people to talk to.


Must have been some hella good editing.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 19:06 GMT
#112487
On October 18 2016 03:56 PassiveAce wrote:
He also once tried to lure a female CNN reporter onto a yacht he filled with dildos in some sort of bizarre attempt to embarrass her.

Dude is clowny af

I had completely forgotten about that amazing plan. Do you remember his reasoning why he wanted to humiliate that reporter?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 17 2016 19:20 GMT
#112488
I'm confused by that transcript/quote and really really don't want to watch some tin foil hat video.

Inciting violence at a rally implies getting the people you are pretending to rally with to become violent. Such as advocating to people that they should become violent or starting the trouble yourself (like throwing a rock so others start throwing rocks).

If you are just putting yourself in a situation where people will punch you that's not inciting violence. That's just being in the presence of someone violent. Like the conclusion of that entire conspiracy end up that the people in the Scott Walker example are violent.

So the summation of that video is what? That the DNC sent people to protest at events hosted by people where they fundamentally oppose their opinions and views?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42971 Posts
October 17 2016 19:26 GMT
#112489
Oddly enough the Montgomery Bus Boycott was a strategic effort and Rosa Parks was a trained operative who was picked for the job of being the person who refused to give up her seat.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 17 2016 19:31 GMT
#112490


To me it looks like even the third party candidates are worst than the first party ones, lul
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 17 2016 19:34 GMT
#112491
On October 18 2016 04:31 Incognoto wrote:
To me it looks like even the third party candidates are worst than the first party ones, lul


That's confusing Trump's unwillingness to explain any policy position in detail for competency and understanding when it's really just hiding his ignorance.
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
October 17 2016 19:34 GMT
#112492
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 19:36:04
October 17 2016 19:35 GMT
#112493
You're a couple hours late on that one. We had a nice discussion about how some of us don't find John Oliver particularly funny.

He's much better when he's helping to elucidate topics that don't have a ton of visibility, but in this case anyone with some remote interest in the 3rd party candidates is well aware of those flaws and don't need John Oliver to explain them to them. If they're still voting 3rd party anyway, it's because they don't care, think they're still less problematic than Trump/Clinton's flaws, or are trying to make a statement.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 17 2016 19:36 GMT
#112494
On Friday in Maricopa County, Ariz., the U.S. government will hit a clean energy milestone: What officials are calling the largest procurement ever of renewable energy by the federal government, in this case from a desert solar array.

The new 150-megawatt, or million-watt, Mesquite 3 solar array is located in Arizona, but the electricity it generates will be sent to California’s electric grid and will power roughly one-third of the electricity needs of 14 naval installations in the state, including San Diego’s naval base and the Marines’ Twentynine Palms and Camp Pendleton.

“Today we’re going to throw a switch and start getting those electrons flowing to our 14 bases,” said Dennis McGinn, the assistant secretary of the Navy for energy, installations and environment, who spoke from Arizona where he was on site for the opening ceremony for the plant.

“It’s going to be reliable, it’s going to be cheaper than what we’re paying for brown power, and it just diversifies our energy sources for these bases,” McGinn continued.

The deal will let the Navy buy solar power at a fixed price for 25 years from the array, which is owned by Sempra Energy. “To me, the essence of solar power is, you know what the price of the fuel is going to be for the next 25 years, or more,” McGinn said. “It’s predictable, it provides financial planning and energy planning stability to our calculation, and it’s part of our diversified energy portfolio.”

The Navy has distinguished itself as a leader in the clean energy space of late, also experimenting with biofuels for planes, ships and vehicles and even trying to subtly change officers’ behavior to make them more energy conscious, based on the idea that using less energy provides a tactical advantage — in some cases, it literally means the ability to fight for longer if you have to.

The move is being celebrated not only by the Navy, but also the Energy Department, which contends that the dramatic growth of large-scale solar plants in the Southwest is a direct result of major investments made by its Loan Programs Office as part of the stimulus legislation passed in the wake of the financial collapse in 2008-2009.

In 2010, the United States didn’t have a single utility scale solar photovoltaic farm, a new analysis from the Loan Programs Office notes. But $4.6 billion in loans from the Energy Department led to the installation of five such plants, capable of generating 1.5 gigawatts, or billion watts, of electricity capacity. One of them was the 170-megawatt Mesquite 1 solar plant, the predecessor to Mesquite 3.

“Before 2009, utilities had a total of just about 20 megawatts of PV, total,” Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said in an interview Friday. “So then came this couple of years when the loan program kick-started, as you can see, with 1.5 gigawatts.”

That was the end of the federal program — but today, there are 45 more such large-scale projects, adding another roughly eight gigawatts of capacity, mostly in the Southwest still but also in states ranging from Minnesota to Georgia.

When the private sector took over. Moniz contends that was in part possible because the Energy Department program had been able to drive down prices. “That’s kind of a virtuous cycle of deployment plus innovation keep combining to drive cost down,” Moniz said. “So obviously, when there was no deployment, there was no benefit of going down the curve.”

The over 10 gigawatts of installed utility scale solar photovoltaic capacity in the United States today is just one part of the tremendous solar boom the country has seen. None of this takes into account more medium-sized arrays or individual rooftop solar installations. The Energy Department has also given loans for a different type of large-scale solar array, called concentrated solar power, many of which also have been built.


Source
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 17 2016 19:37 GMT
#112495
On October 18 2016 04:34 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.

Hell, Congress could appoint a special prosecutor by its own initiative if it disagrees with the FBI recommendation and the DoJ decision not to prosecute.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 17 2016 19:40 GMT
#112496
The fact that they haven't means that they think the EV on continuing to fling shit at the wall is higher than actually getting a special prosecutor.

If you think she's guilty, then get a special prosecutor. If you don't, then don't. But this bullshit where they keep raising a stir about it despite having the power to actually do something about it is just stupid, IMO.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5672 Posts
October 17 2016 19:40 GMT
#112497
On October 18 2016 04:34 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.

If Amy Goodman wasn't doing anything illegal she wouldn't be facing riot charges, no?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2016 19:42 GMT
#112498
On October 18 2016 04:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 04:34 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.

Hell, Congress could appoint a special prosecutor by its own initiative if it disagrees with the FBI recommendation and the DoJ decision not to prosecute.

That would involve them appointing a prosecutor that could appear neutral, give the person a shit case and send them out there to likely fail. And all of that wouldn’t get the headlines that endless hearings gets you. By keeping the investigation in congress, they have complete control and can blame the lack of charges on the Obama administration.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 17 2016 19:42 GMT
#112499
On October 18 2016 04:40 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 04:34 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.

If Amy Goodman wasn't doing anything illegal she wouldn't be facing riot charges, no?


Been awhile since I've seen logical gymnastics that convoluted.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 19:44:35
October 17 2016 19:44 GMT
#112500
On October 18 2016 04:40 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 04:34 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:44 zeo wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On October 18 2016 03:32 PassiveAce wrote:
Yeah. Also the same guy that tried to wire tap a senators phone.

Did he get charged for that? Because I’m pretty sure that is illegal.

I'm pretty sure deleting 30,000 emails you were subpoenaed to hand over is also illegal.

FBI disagreed. Because if it was illegal Clinton woulda been charged.

If Amy Goodman wasn't doing anything illegal she wouldn't be facing riot charges, no?

Charges were dismissed

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/17/breaking_riot_charges_against_amy_goodman

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