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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 12 2016 15:12 GMT
#110441
Saw that comming. The GOP really needs to ditch the tactic of trying to prevent people from voting. It's a bad look
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 12 2016 15:13 GMT
#110442
lolololololol

"We don't have any chess grandmaster"

Right.

The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 12 2016 15:14 GMT
#110443
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
On October 12 2016 13:38 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:26 ZeaL. wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:15 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 09:54 ZeaL. wrote:
Yeah... Unfortunately there is probably going to be violence on election night. Honestly, I'm not too sure what there is to be done about people who distrust everything and everyone except for those in their echo chambers.

We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.


Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.

I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.

I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.

You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

I think you need to review the quote. Let me rephrase this in a way you might understand: Are you mad at Obama that his FBI and Justice department let a criminal go free? When you allege a miscarriage of justice, the plain meaning is under a different administration, the internal corruption wouldn't have held sway over the investigation. For the rest of it, people should open their ears to the part when Trump called for an independent investigator/special prosecutor. That point was the very one I wanted my elected representatives to push for when the story broke.

I even heard from people in this thread justifying giving Hillary preferential treatment before the law given its impact on the election process who admit a low-ranking official would be put on trial and deserve it.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if Democrats showed the same concern to abusing the legal process against people like David Daleiden, Scott Walker, and the broad threats of jail made against climate change deniers. If one shocks and offends and the other gets zero media attention and zero outrage, I'd say the real problem is partisanship.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 12 2016 15:14 GMT
#110444
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 12 2016 15:15 GMT
#110445
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 12 2016 15:16 GMT
#110446
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 12 2016 15:16 GMT
#110447
On October 12 2016 23:38 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 23:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 12 2016 23:22 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2016 23:05 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:45 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:42 Trainrunnef wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:05 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:04 biology]major wrote:
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
[quote]
You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

what US presidential candidate from a major party was under investigation for mishandling of classified information? She needs to be investigated by an independent source. There is no trust in the FBI or DOJ at the moment. What trump said was how millions of Americans feel. Cover up worse than crime situation.

Congress has the power to prosecute Clinton regardless of the FBI's opinion.
Why have they not done so?


@biology]major Still waiting for an answer on this question.


it does?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor


Oh didn't know this was determined by congress. Guess they can't get a vote to pass? Not sure. Seems like a good idea to me.

It's not. The FBI didn't carry on because they didn't have a case because there is no indication or way to prove she had criminal intents or was anything more than not careful enough.

You know we've been talking about those fucking emails for 1000 pages or so, and nobody except for you gives a fuck anymore. We are not electing an email server, and you are the only one here to think that this is the worst thing anybody has ever done.

Just drop it, it's annoying, and we are all repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.


I don't give a shit about her server with 3 classified emails out of 30, 000. I care about the possibility of collusion and her attempts to repeatedly lie to cover it up. There is a huge conflict of interest. The DOJ is run by a president who endorsed HRC. DOJ AG was seen with Bill Clinton before hand discussing kids and golf. HRC is a democratic nominee with the backing of the entire establishment and lobbying power. You have to be naive as hell to think this was even remotely impartial.

Comey added in an intent element, but as Gowdy said numerous times, intent can be shown indirectly through her repeated lying, for which the FBI says it did not look over the benghazi hearing(??). The whole investigation is suspect, and I will keep bringing it up. I hope trump brings it up a few more times in the next debate as well.


Actually, you can't prove someone is lying without intent either. To prove someone is lying you have to show that at the time they made the factually untrue statement they knew it was factually untrue. So when Clinton says she didn't send classified emails, or Bush says Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you have to prove they knew otherwise when they said those things to prove they were lying. Otherwise they're just wrong.

So it doesn't matter that you think Clinton was lying, it's meaningless unless there's clear evidence she knew what she was saying was untrue. Without proof she knew better her statements can't be used to prove intent.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 12 2016 15:16 GMT
#110448
On October 12 2016 23:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 23:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:58 parkufarku wrote:
On October 12 2016 21:53 Plansix wrote:
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
On October 12 2016 13:38 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:26 ZeaL. wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:15 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 09:54 ZeaL. wrote:
Yeah... Unfortunately there is probably going to be violence on election night. Honestly, I'm not too sure what there is to be done about people who distrust everything and everyone except for those in their echo chambers.

We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.


Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.

I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.

I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.

You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

And is telling his supporters at every rally that if he loses, it is because the system is rigged. We could have the presidential election that ends with the loser claiming the process was broken. It is a threat to the democratic process to have the banner barer of one party claiming our elections are rigged.


If you can't see the system is rigged, I have no words for you. You can obviously see the Establishment is behind Hillary; go look at major media that isn't foxnews and you'll see most of them will always put up "neutral" articles that bash Trump while praising Hillary.

Threat to the democratic process claiming that? LOL. It's a threat to the democratic process to have unfair elections. God you are so biased / blind, can you just stop posting here?


Why exactly do you think the establishment backing someone necessarily means the system is rigged? Couldn't it just mean the other person is just awful?

If one candidate had 95%+ of Wall St donations I wouldn't vote for them, put it that way.


FYI. All Americans that work for a company (any company) and who has money in a bank (any bank) and owns property (any property) is automatically part of Wall Street. This is because "Wall Street" is simply the exchange of goods/stocks with each other for value. This includes money in the banks, goods in the stores, paychecks, payments, property, etc... All of that are part of Wall Street.

When you say companies that are part of Wall Street, that's all of them. Mom and pop shops, the buying and selling of homes, the food you eat, the toilets you shit in, everything. When you say "the Banks" that's also ALL of them. Big banks, little banks, banks that climb on rocks--all of them are part of Wall Street. 99.99% of all donations are linked to Wall Street in one way or another. So when you say "If one candidate had 95%+ of Wall St donations I wouldn't vote for them, put it that way" you need to be much much more specific than that.

But why then do people bring up Wall Street? Because when people say "Wall Street" what they mean is "People Richer than I am" and Wall Street is a great scapegoat since there's only 1-2 people on the entire planet that can honestly say that there isn't someone richer than them with money in Wall Street. Doesn't matter if you're minimum wage or make a billion dollars a year--there will always be someone richer than you in Wall Street and so its always so comfortable to point at Wall Street, say that it's "so evil," and its something both homeless people and billionaires say with equal pride.

As an example, Donald Trump's campaign hinges on the idea that he is a billionaire, and that he is against Wall Street. Think about that for a moment. A literal billionaire, that brags about being one, can comfortably point at Wall Street as a scapegoat that there's too much money. Its because "Wall Street" is not a real thing, its a concept or idea that someone who is abstractly better than you should not get a vote. That's what "wall street money" really means.


Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 12 2016 15:17 GMT
#110449
ROFL

Jesus Christ, I have to quit twitter, I'm gonna have a heart attack.

The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 12 2016 15:20 GMT
#110450
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 12 2016 15:21 GMT
#110451
I relish posts like that where someone is *this* close to realizing something important and then swerves in entirely the opposite direction at the last moment :D.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
October 12 2016 15:22 GMT
#110452
On October 13 2016 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.


Wow, crazy. My friend recently got promoted to master. Had no idea it was such a distinguished title.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-12 15:25:11
October 12 2016 15:24 GMT
#110453
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D

this election is incredibly embarrassing
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 12 2016 15:25 GMT
#110454
On October 13 2016 00:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 23:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 12 2016 23:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 12 2016 22:58 parkufarku wrote:
On October 12 2016 21:53 Plansix wrote:
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
On October 12 2016 13:38 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:26 ZeaL. wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:15 Probe1 wrote:
[quote]
We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.


Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.

I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.

I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.

You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

And is telling his supporters at every rally that if he loses, it is because the system is rigged. We could have the presidential election that ends with the loser claiming the process was broken. It is a threat to the democratic process to have the banner barer of one party claiming our elections are rigged.


If you can't see the system is rigged, I have no words for you. You can obviously see the Establishment is behind Hillary; go look at major media that isn't foxnews and you'll see most of them will always put up "neutral" articles that bash Trump while praising Hillary.

Threat to the democratic process claiming that? LOL. It's a threat to the democratic process to have unfair elections. God you are so biased / blind, can you just stop posting here?


Why exactly do you think the establishment backing someone necessarily means the system is rigged? Couldn't it just mean the other person is just awful?

If one candidate had 95%+ of Wall St donations I wouldn't vote for them, put it that way.


FYI. All Americans that work for a company (any company) and who has money in a bank (any bank) and owns property (any property) is automatically part of Wall Street. This is because "Wall Street" is simply the exchange of goods/stocks with each other for value. This includes money in the banks, goods in the stores, paychecks, payments, property, etc... All of that are part of Wall Street.

When you say companies that are part of Wall Street, that's all of them. Mom and pop shops, the buying and selling of homes, the food you eat, the toilets you shit in, everything. When you say "the Banks" that's also ALL of them. Big banks, little banks, banks that climb on rocks--all of them are part of Wall Street. 99.99% of all donations are linked to Wall Street in one way or another. So when you say "If one candidate had 95%+ of Wall St donations I wouldn't vote for them, put it that way" you need to be much much more specific than that.

But why then do people bring up Wall Street? Because when people say "Wall Street" what they mean is "People Richer than I am" and Wall Street is a great scapegoat since there's only 1-2 people on the entire planet that can honestly say that there isn't someone richer than them with money in Wall Street. Doesn't matter if you're minimum wage or make a billion dollars a year--there will always be someone richer than you in Wall Street and so its always so comfortable to point at Wall Street, say that it's "so evil," and its something both homeless people and billionaires say with equal pride.

As an example, Donald Trump's campaign hinges on the idea that he is a billionaire, and that he is against Wall Street. Think about that for a moment. A literal billionaire, that brags about being one, can comfortably point at Wall Street as a scapegoat that there's too much money. Its because "Wall Street" is not a real thing, its a concept or idea that someone who is abstractly better than you should not get a vote. That's what "wall street money" really means.




Yeah let's just paint over factious rivalries and call the whole thing Wall Street. It's basically just a synonym for capitalist now right???
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
October 12 2016 15:25 GMT
#110455
On October 13 2016 00:14 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
On October 12 2016 13:38 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:26 ZeaL. wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:15 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 09:54 ZeaL. wrote:
Yeah... Unfortunately there is probably going to be violence on election night. Honestly, I'm not too sure what there is to be done about people who distrust everything and everyone except for those in their echo chambers.

We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.


Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.

I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.

I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.

You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

I think you need to review the quote. Let me rephrase this in a way you might understand: Are you mad at Obama that his FBI and Justice department let a criminal go free? When you allege a miscarriage of justice, the plain meaning is under a different administration, the internal corruption wouldn't have held sway over the investigation. For the rest of it, people should open their ears to the part when Trump called for an independent investigator/special prosecutor. That point was the very one I wanted my elected representatives to push for when the story broke.

I even heard from people in this thread justifying giving Hillary preferential treatment before the law given its impact on the election process who admit a low-ranking official would be put on trial and deserve it.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if Democrats showed the same concern to abusing the legal process against people like David Daleiden, Scott Walker, and the broad threats of jail made against climate change deniers. If one shocks and offends and the other gets zero media attention and zero outrage, I'd say the real problem is partisanship.

See my post to Biologymajor.

Where is the Congressional appointed special prosecutor?
100+ ACA votes, 7 Benghazi investigations.
Why is it that the Republicans have only tried to do Emailghazi through the FBI?

If it is so obvious that the FBI and Obama are protecting Hillary why has Congress not acted with the power they hold?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 12 2016 15:27 GMT
#110456
On October 13 2016 00:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.


Wow, crazy. My friend recently got promoted to master. Had no idea it was such a distinguished title.

Well he must be pretty fucking good. Master is an unbelievably high level. It's like being code S in SC2, except there are so many of them and so much better ahead of your head that nobody really cares. Many people have talent, a devouring passion for chess, spends years and years studying and never get there.

Chess is a sad world.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-12 15:30:56
October 12 2016 15:28 GMT
#110457
On October 13 2016 00:24 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D

this election is incredibly embarrassing

Once you've established that reality was not an obstacle anymore, you open up a world of new possibilities.

And also not giving a fuck about facts makes you invincible in a discussion, because you can just change reality whenever is convenient, as shown with a high degree of virtuosity by some hardcore trumpers in this very thread.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 12 2016 15:30 GMT
#110458
im trying to get into a masters program in paris and im worried about living there if trump wins... :/

gonna have to get a hillary/kaine tattoo on my forehead or soemthing
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-12 15:33:53
October 12 2016 15:33 GMT
#110459
On October 13 2016 00:30 PassiveAce wrote:
im trying to get into a masters program in paris and im worried about living there if trump wins... :/

gonna have to get a hillary/kaine tattoo on my forehead or soemthing

You better fucking do hinhinhin.

Nobody in Europe except for the usual suspects from the Front National and UKIP understands what's going on. People look at this elections and are totally, utterly baffled.

I live in Norway, and if Trump was to be rated on a scale from 0 to 100, I don't know anyone who would not simply give him 0.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-12 15:36:05
October 12 2016 15:34 GMT
#110460
On October 13 2016 00:30 PassiveAce wrote:
im trying to get into a masters program in paris and im worried about living there if trump wins... :/

gonna have to get a hillary/kaine tattoo on my forehead or soemthing


INSEAD ? You will get alot of sympathetic stares
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