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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 12 2016 15:36 GMT
#110461
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush once described Asian Americans as the "canary in the coal mine" of the Republican Party, saying that if Republicans didn't make more of an effort to court the fastest-growing racial group in the United States, the party would pay a price at the polls.

Now a new report from the National Asian American Survey finds not only that Asian-Americans continue a steady drift away from the GOP, but that the party may be losing one of its most reliable ethnic groups.

Among registered Asian-American voters, the survey found Democrat Hillary Clinton had a four-to-one lead over Republican Donald Trump.

Alton Wang, a communications associate with the nonpartisan group APIAVote, said many Asian-Americans are increasingly turned off by anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric. More than one in five respondents were undecided. This is especially key, because swing states, including Nevada, Virginia and North Carolina, have sizable Asian-American populations with undecided voters.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 12 2016 15:37 GMT
#110462
On October 13 2016 00:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.


Wow, crazy. My friend recently got promoted to master. Had no idea it was such a distinguished title.

Well he must be pretty fucking good. Master is an unbelievably high level. It's like being code S in SC2, except there are so many of them and so much better ahead of your head that nobody really cares. Many people have talent, a devouring passion for chess, spends years and years studying and never get there.

Chess is a sad world.

I also have a friend who recently got promoted to NM. That is pretty consistent with what you describe here. I could definitely believe that there are less than 1000 people as good as he is at chess (perhaps corroborated by his actual chess results, lol).

Honestly chess loses a lot of its appeal when you realize that no matter how well you learn, someone could load up an easily available piece of software on a low-end mobile phone and have it kick your sorry ass to the curb. It gives the entire game a sort of "humans are obsolete at this task" that makes it interesting from a personal enjoyment perspective, but not from a "learn to be the very best" perspective.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44017 Posts
October 12 2016 15:37 GMT
#110463
On October 13 2016 00:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:30 PassiveAce wrote:
im trying to get into a masters program in paris and im worried about living there if trump wins... :/

gonna have to get a hillary/kaine tattoo on my forehead or soemthing

You better fucking do hinhinhin.

Nobody in Europe except for the usual suspects from the Front National and UKIP understands what's going on. People look at this elections and are totally, utterly baffled.

I live in Norway, and if Trump was to be rated on a scale from 0 to 100, I don't know anyone who would not simply give him 0.

Brevik. Your move.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 12 2016 15:40 GMT
#110464
Biff knows Brevik?
tell him hes a tool and that he shouldnt have a tv in his room
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44017 Posts
October 12 2016 15:40 GMT
#110465
My bad. I took it as he didn't know of anyone in Norway who would support Trump.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 12 2016 15:42 GMT
#110466
On any given day in the United States, at least 137,000 men and women sit behind bars on simple drug possession charges, according to a report released Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch.

Nearly two-thirds of them are in local jails. According to the report, most of these jailed inmates have not been convicted of any crime: They're sitting in a cell, awaiting a day in court which may be months or even years off, because they can't afford to post bail.

"It's been 45 years since the war on drugs was declared and it hasn't been a success," lead author Tess Borden of the Human Rights Watch said in an interview. "Rates of drug use are not down. Drug dependency has not stopped. Every 25 seconds we're arresting someone for drug use."

Federal figures on drug arrests and drug use over the past three decades tell the story. Drug possession arrests skyrocketed, from fewer than 200 arrests for every 100,000 people in 1979 to more than 500 in the mid-2000s. The drug possession rate has since fallen slightly, according to the FBI, hovering now around 400 arrests per 100,000 people.

Defenders of harsh penalties for drug possession say they're necessary to deter people from using drugs and protect the public health. But despite the tough-on-crime push that led to the surge in arrests in recent decades, illicit drug use today is more common among Americans age 12 and older than it was in the early 1980s. Federal figures show no correlation between drug possession arrests and rates of drug use during that time.

But the ACLU/Human Rights Watch report shows that arrests for drug possession continue to make up a significant chunk of modern-day police work.

"Around the country, police make more arrests for drug possession than for any other crime," the report finds, citing FBI data. "More than one of every nine arrests by state law enforcement is for drug possession, amounting to more than 1.25 million arrests each year."

In fact, police make more arrests for marijuana possession alone than for all violent crimes combined.


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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 12 2016 15:43 GMT
#110467
On October 13 2016 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.


Wow, crazy. My friend recently got promoted to master. Had no idea it was such a distinguished title.

Well he must be pretty fucking good. Master is an unbelievably high level. It's like being code S in SC2, except there are so many of them and so much better ahead of your head that nobody really cares. Many people have talent, a devouring passion for chess, spends years and years studying and never get there.

Chess is a sad world.

I also have a friend who recently got promoted to NM. That is pretty consistent with what you describe here. I could definitely believe that there are less than 1000 people as good as he is at chess (perhaps corroborated by his actual chess results, lol).

Honestly chess loses a lot of its appeal when you realize that no matter how well you learn, someone could load up an easily available piece of software on a low-end mobile phone and have it kick your sorry ass to the curb. It gives the entire game a sort of "humans are obsolete at this task" that makes it interesting from a personal enjoyment perspective, but not from a "learn to be the very best" perspective.


Imagine playing Go and finding out that a computer can kick the ass of the best* player in the world.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8086 Posts
October 12 2016 15:44 GMT
#110468
On October 13 2016 00:40 KwarK wrote:
My bad. I took it as he didn't know of anyone in Norway who would support Trump.

Well to be honest, though, I live in a very left wing professional environment. But in general the view of Trump in Europe are beyond abysmal. You need to go to the hardcore far right supporters to find people sympathetic to him.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8086 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-12 15:51:44
October 12 2016 15:47 GMT
#110469
On October 13 2016 00:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:16 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:15 bardtown wrote:
He actually said 'grand chessmaster', so he's technically correct :D


I noticed, the same thing. Evil media always misconstruing his words.

Actually there are over 850 chess masters in the US, I'm pretty certain that a lot of them are grand.

Checkmate.


Wow, crazy. My friend recently got promoted to master. Had no idea it was such a distinguished title.

Well he must be pretty fucking good. Master is an unbelievably high level. It's like being code S in SC2, except there are so many of them and so much better ahead of your head that nobody really cares. Many people have talent, a devouring passion for chess, spends years and years studying and never get there.

Chess is a sad world.

I also have a friend who recently got promoted to NM. That is pretty consistent with what you describe here. I could definitely believe that there are less than 1000 people as good as he is at chess (perhaps corroborated by his actual chess results, lol).

Honestly chess loses a lot of its appeal when you realize that no matter how well you learn, someone could load up an easily available piece of software on a low-end mobile phone and have it kick your sorry ass to the curb. It gives the entire game a sort of "humans are obsolete at this task" that makes it interesting from a personal enjoyment perspective, but not from a "learn to be the very best" perspective.

Well, the day someone makes an androide that plays better tennis than Federer won't make competitive tennis uninteresting. A computer really doesn't play and "think" chess like a human, and the feel is very different.

The problem for me is more that a computer can now assess a position with an incredible precision. It really destroys the beauty and the mystery of the game. Nigel Short compared computer analysis with chainsaws cutting through the amazon, and I completely agree. Every position was infinitely rich in possibilities and secrets, but now, any noob can click a button and say "that work, that doesn't and the evaluation is +0,17".

And that sucks. Computer destroyed chess, not because they are too tough opponents, but because they are too good assistants.

(Sorry for the offtopic. That belongs to the chess thread.)

On October 13 2016 00:37 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 13 2016 00:30 PassiveAce wrote:
im trying to get into a masters program in paris and im worried about living there if trump wins... :/

gonna have to get a hillary/kaine tattoo on my forehead or soemthing

You better fucking do hinhinhin.

Nobody in Europe except for the usual suspects from the Front National and UKIP understands what's going on. People look at this elections and are totally, utterly baffled.

I live in Norway, and if Trump was to be rated on a scale from 0 to 100, I don't know anyone who would not simply give him 0.

Brevik. Your move.

That looked like a good one but you blundered a piece
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9213 Posts
October 12 2016 15:57 GMT
#110470


New ad
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44017 Posts
October 12 2016 15:59 GMT
#110471
That was off key. Couldn't they find someone to sing it in tune?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 12 2016 16:00 GMT
#110472
On October 13 2016 00:14 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2016 21:27 Nevuk wrote:
On October 12 2016 15:50 Danglars wrote:
On October 12 2016 13:38 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:26 ZeaL. wrote:
On October 12 2016 11:15 Probe1 wrote:
On October 12 2016 09:54 ZeaL. wrote:
Yeah... Unfortunately there is probably going to be violence on election night. Honestly, I'm not too sure what there is to be done about people who distrust everything and everyone except for those in their echo chambers.

We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.


Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.

I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.

I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.

You for real?
what US presidential candidate from a major party has called for the jailing of their opponent besides Trump?

I think you need to review the quote. Let me rephrase this in a way you might understand: Are you mad at Obama that his FBI and Justice department let a criminal go free? When you allege a miscarriage of justice, the plain meaning is under a different administration, the internal corruption wouldn't have held sway over the investigation. For the rest of it, people should open their ears to the part when Trump called for an independent investigator/special prosecutor. That point was the very one I wanted my elected representatives to push for when the story broke.

I even heard from people in this thread justifying giving Hillary preferential treatment before the law given its impact on the election process who admit a low-ranking official would be put on trial and deserve it.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if Democrats showed the same concern to abusing the legal process against people like David Daleiden, Scott Walker, and the broad threats of jail made against climate change deniers. If one shocks and offends and the other gets zero media attention and zero outrage, I'd say the real problem is partisanship.


Can you quote Donald saying the word "independent"? His ad emphasizes the "jail" part. Aren't you being partisan in your interpretation?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 12 2016 16:03 GMT
#110473
Compare his IQ to anybody? lmao wtf
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8086 Posts
October 12 2016 16:03 GMT
#110474
Croocked Hillary is cooked !!

The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22406 Posts
October 12 2016 16:04 GMT
#110475
On October 13 2016 00:57 Dan HH wrote:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/786213593750474752

New ad

Holy crap that sounded terrible...

Surely they can do better then that Oo
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 12 2016 16:04 GMT
#110476
Something about "Re: Risotto" just cracks me up.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8086 Posts
October 12 2016 16:05 GMT
#110477
On October 13 2016 01:04 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 00:57 Dan HH wrote:
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/786213593750474752

New ad

Holy crap that sounded terrible...

Surely they can do better then that Oo

That sucked, but the IQ quote is just beautiful.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8086 Posts
October 12 2016 16:08 GMT
#110478
So wikileaks now publishes indiscriminately private emails that contain no special scandal or revelation and that are given to them by a foreign power trying to temper with the election.

I mean, in what universe is that ok?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 12 2016 16:09 GMT
#110479
On October 13 2016 01:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:
So wikileaks now publishes indiscriminately private emails that contain no special scandal or revelation and that are given to them by a foreign power trying to temper with the election.

I mean, in what universe is that ok?

It makes their numbers bigger.

"20 FUCKING THOUSAND EMAILS WITH SHIT LOADS OF WORDS ON THEM RELEASED!!!!!!!"

ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 12 2016 16:09 GMT
#110480
On October 13 2016 01:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Something about "Re: Risotto" just cracks me up.


is it the incorrect use of it's
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