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Titan107
Profile Joined March 2016
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 01:56:47
October 04 2016 01:55 GMT
#106201
On October 04 2016 10:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:26 oBlade wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:45 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:40 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:57 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:49 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:27 kwizach wrote:
Also, that video is from 2010.


The idea of assassinating Assange has been floating around neo-liberal circles for quite a while, that is true. It's not like Hillary came up with it herself.

Feel free to share any evidence you may have of Clinton wanting to assassinate Assange. Note that conspiracy theory websites making claims do not qualify as "evidence".


Would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? Has she denied saying it? Seems like each one of these leaks has gone through the same "deny it was real, suggest we don't know it's real, minimize it's significance, point at how Trump and Russia are worse/in cahoots, act like it was nothing all along".

Whether it's her repeated lying about her emails, the DNC leaks, or the cables, it's been the same song every time.

Translation: there is zero evidence to support the idea that Clinton wants Assange assassinated. Got it!


if it was true would it change anything for you?

I find the idea of assassinating Assange despicable, if that's what you're asking.


But would it change anything for you? If so, what (presuming the quote is accurate)?

Hillary could stand in the middle of the State Department, and say she was going to drone somebody, and she wouldn't lose any voters, folks.

Well, Trump can say in a national broadcast that he would blow up Iranian military vessels because their soldiers said mean things (and it wouldn't start a war), and you're still voting for him.

I'm sure you can excuse the people who still vote for someone in spite of a tweet of an anonymous source's hearsay.


Nice Context. It was more about the rules of engagement for that quote. Full quote + context is better than an interpretation to corrupt the facts.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 01:59:37
October 04 2016 01:58 GMT
#106202
On October 04 2016 10:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:47 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:27 kwizach wrote:
Also, that video is from 2010.

Wikileaks claimed the Assange meetings where assassination was discussed happened in 2010.This guy was a democrat strategist at that time? Interesting...

No, he wasn't. He was a Fox News pundit. Anything else?

Ok well the wikileaks text under the video claimed he was a democrat strategist.Seems like he also founded a lobbying firm, Bob Beckel & Associates.Wonder if there is anything about this group in the leaked wikileaks files?

Anyway this is a sideshow.The main event starts later today!


Easy mistake, CNN is still making it.

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They do mix in "worked on the Mondale campaign" sometimes though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 04 2016 01:58 GMT
#106203
On October 04 2016 10:55 Titan107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 04 2016 10:26 oBlade wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:45 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 09:40 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:57 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:49 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

The idea of assassinating Assange has been floating around neo-liberal circles for quite a while, that is true. It's not like Hillary came up with it herself.

Feel free to share any evidence you may have of Clinton wanting to assassinate Assange. Note that conspiracy theory websites making claims do not qualify as "evidence".


Would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? Has she denied saying it? Seems like each one of these leaks has gone through the same "deny it was real, suggest we don't know it's real, minimize it's significance, point at how Trump and Russia are worse/in cahoots, act like it was nothing all along".

Whether it's her repeated lying about her emails, the DNC leaks, or the cables, it's been the same song every time.

Translation: there is zero evidence to support the idea that Clinton wants Assange assassinated. Got it!


if it was true would it change anything for you?

I find the idea of assassinating Assange despicable, if that's what you're asking.


But would it change anything for you? If so, what (presuming the quote is accurate)?

Hillary could stand in the middle of the State Department, and say she was going to drone somebody, and she wouldn't lose any voters, folks.

Well, Trump can say in a national broadcast that he would blow up Iranian military vessels because their soldiers said mean things (and it wouldn't start a war), and you're still voting for him.

I'm sure you can excuse the people who still vote for someone in spite of a tweet of an anonymous source's hearsay.


Nice Context. It was more about the rules of engagement for that quote. Full quote + context is better than an interpretation to corrupt the facts.

No, he said he would blow up an Iranian ship if the Iranians made mean gestures at the "beautiful US Destroyer". And then he tried to act like doing so wouldn't be an act of war at the debate.

Firing on another nations ships unprovoked is an act of war.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 04 2016 02:03 GMT
#106204
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 04 2016 02:05 GMT
#106205
On October 04 2016 10:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:47 kwizach wrote:
On October 04 2016 10:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 04 2016 08:27 kwizach wrote:
Also, that video is from 2010.

Wikileaks claimed the Assange meetings where assassination was discussed happened in 2010.This guy was a democrat strategist at that time? Interesting...

No, he wasn't. He was a Fox News pundit. Anything else?

Ok well the wikileaks text under the video claimed he was a democrat strategist.Seems like he also founded a lobbying firm, Bob Beckel & Associates.Wonder if there is anything about this group in the leaked wikileaks files?

Anyway this is a sideshow.The main event starts later today!

He was a democrat strategist in 1984 and 2002, for presidential and senatorial campaigns respectively.

Apparently the 2010 video was a mock debate hosted by Fox News. 2011-2015 he was hired as a co-host of Fox News. Currently works for CNN for election coverage.

So yeah, understandable why spin doctors want to call him a democrat strategist, but really he's been a talking head entertainer for the last 7 years.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2016 02:08 GMT
#106206
A federal appeals court panel Monday blocked Indiana Gov. and Republican vice presidential candidate Mike Pence's attempt to keep Syrian refugees out of Indiana.

The court upheld a lower court judge in barring Pence from interfering with the distribution of federal funds to resettle Syrian refugees in his state. The appeals court panel said that federal law bars discrimination based on nationality.

The three-judge panel that issued the ruling is an all-star group of conservative judges, including one of the judges on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees.

In a unanimous opinion, the appeals court said Gov. Pence acted illegally in accepting federal money for refugee resettlement and then refusing to use that money to aid Syrian refugees.

The panel rejected Pence's argument that terrorists are posing as Syrian refugees to gain entry into the U.S., calling it a "nightmare speculation" based on no evidence. Indeed, the court said, the state presented no evidence that any Syrian refugee had been involved in a terrorist act in the U.S.

The court added that resettlement of persecuted refugees is a federal responsibility under the 1980 Refugee Act, which authorizes the president to determine, on the basis of "humanitarian concerns or ... the national interest," how many refugees to admit each year. In 2016, President Obama set the number at 85,000, including 10,000 Syrians. The refugees undergo multiple layers of screening by the federal government before entering the country in a process that can take up to two years.

But with Syrian refugees, the state of Indiana refused to use any of the refugee resettlement money it had received from the federal government. Exodus, a private resettlement group that contracted with the state, went to court, represented by the ACLU. It argued that the state's refusal was illegal discrimination.

Ken Falk, legal director of the ACLU of Indiana, said the court's decision on Monday underscores that "Gov. Pence may not constitutionally or legally discriminate against a particular nationality of refugees that are extensively vetted by the federal government."

Pence argued that the state's position was not based on discrimination but on the threat that Syrian refugees pose to the safety of residents of Indiana.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 04 2016 02:13 GMT
#106207


GOP comes out against the 6th Amendment of the US Constitution. I knew they hated due process.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 02:17:32
October 04 2016 02:13 GMT
#106208
Stupid Pence, why oh why must politicians be politicians, and assholes, and unjust.

why is it so hard to just be reasonable and thoughtful?

they should really try supporting the constitution, instead of just lying about supporting it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 04 2016 02:15 GMT
#106209
I mean it's not surprising Pence doesn't give a shit about the 6th Amendment when he considers all Syrian refugees terrorism risks when none of them have done anything of the sort in the U.S. (as far as I know).
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 04 2016 02:16 GMT
#106210
On October 04 2016 11:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean it's not surprising Pence doesn't give a shit about the 6th Amendment when he considers all Syrian refugees terrorism risks when none of them have done anything of the sort in the U.S. (as far as I know).

You may want to look up the sixth amendment :p
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 04 2016 02:16 GMT
#106211
Another check in the unamerican box.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 04 2016 02:22 GMT
#106212
On October 04 2016 11:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean it's not surprising Pence doesn't give a shit about the 6th Amendment when he considers all Syrian refugees terrorism risks when none of them have done anything of the sort in the U.S. (as far as I know).


Pence seems just all around bad/ineffective. I am not sure why you would pick someone who would likely lose his reelection.
Never Knows Best.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 02:26:32
October 04 2016 02:22 GMT
#106213
On October 04 2016 11:13 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/782981775035240448

GOP comes out against the 6th Amendment of the US Constitution. I knew they hated due process.


Everything after the second amendment isn't that important eh. The GOP should replace the cute elephant with a pitchfork
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
October 04 2016 02:24 GMT
#106214
On October 04 2016 10:48 Mohdoo wrote:
5 hours til assange makes his final stand hype

TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 02:27:22
October 04 2016 02:26 GMT
#106215
On October 04 2016 11:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 11:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean it's not surprising Pence doesn't give a shit about the 6th Amendment when he considers all Syrian refugees terrorism risks when none of them have done anything of the sort in the U.S. (as far as I know).

You may want to look up the sixth amendment :p


It's hard to have a fair and speedy trial for crimes you haven't committed or defend yourself when the governor is accusing you of a crime you haven't even had the chance to commit
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 04 2016 02:26 GMT
#106216
On October 04 2016 11:24 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:48 Mohdoo wrote:
5 hours til assange makes his final stand hype

https://twitter.com/TPM/status/783126750423314432


What a worthless cock tease. They better have video evidence of her murdering a hobo and eating his brain to give herself power at this point.
LiquidDota Staff
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 04 2016 02:27 GMT
#106217
On October 04 2016 11:24 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 10:48 Mohdoo wrote:
5 hours til assange makes his final stand hype

https://twitter.com/TPM/status/783126750423314432


Assange just feels like a drama queen at this point. Likes to get hype going around himself.
Never Knows Best.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 04 2016 02:34 GMT
#106218
On October 04 2016 11:27 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 11:24 Saryph wrote:
On October 04 2016 10:48 Mohdoo wrote:
5 hours til assange makes his final stand hype

https://twitter.com/TPM/status/783126750423314432


Assange just feels like a drama queen at this point. Likes to get hype going around himself.

He has always been in it for the ego. Watch old interviews with him. He is all about making important people care about him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 04 2016 02:37 GMT
#106219
This rando's tweet sums up the Republican strategy against Hillary nicely

LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 04 2016 02:39 GMT
#106220
I guess Trump's Assange life ring didn't materialize and he's probably gonna take a hit in the polls for not having something to bail him out for last week's performance.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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