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{CC}StealthBlue
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GreenHorizons
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On October 04 2016 08:33 WolfintheSheep wrote: Oh, lol...so really it should say "Fox News pundit acting like Fox News pundit". But I guess that doesn't get as many clickbait retweets. He was their token liberal to beat up on. But he's from the generation the Clinton's came up in, before the modern left movement, so he's about as centrist as Hillary is, though much less "PC". On October 04 2016 08:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yeah, remember when people post videos of Black people doing mean things to say racism doesn't exist? Try harder not to be those guys GH. That makes 0 sense. | ||
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Plansix
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kwizach
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On October 04 2016 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote: The idea of assassinating Assange has been floating around neo-liberal circles for quite a while, that is true. It's not like Hillary came up with it herself. Feel free to share any evidence you may have of Clinton wanting to assassinate Assange. Note that conspiracy theory websites making claims do not qualify as "evidence". | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23671 Posts
On October 04 2016 08:47 Plansix wrote: Makes perfect sense to me. Guessing that's a "No" I didn't miss it? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23671 Posts
On October 04 2016 08:49 kwizach wrote: Feel free to share any evidence you may have of Clinton wanting to assassinate Assange. Note that conspiracy theory websites making claims do not qualify as "evidence". Would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? Has she denied saying it? Seems like each one of these leaks has gone through the same "deny it was real, suggest we don't know it's real, minimize it's significance, point at how Trump and Russia are worse/in cahoots, act like it was nothing all along". Whether it's her repeated lying about her emails, the DNC leaks, or the cables, it's been the same song every time. (Given the Trump/Russia thing is a new refrain. | ||
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kwizach
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On October 04 2016 08:55 GreenHorizons wrote: Would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? Has she denied saying it? Seems like each one of these leaks has gone through the same "deny it was real, suggest we don't know it's real, minimize it's significance, point at how Trump and Russia are worse/in cahoots, act like it was nothing all along". Whether it's her repeated lying about her emails, the DNC leaks, or the cables, it's been the same song every time. Translation: there is zero evidence to support the idea that Clinton wants Assange assassinated. Got it! | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-organization-ordered-to-halt-fundraising-by-new-york-attorney-general-1475517138 | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23671 Posts
On October 04 2016 08:57 kwizach wrote: Translation: there is zero evidence to support the idea that Clinton wants Assange assassinated. Got it! Beyond the document we're looking at, not yet. But again, this isn't the first dance. On October 04 2016 08:58 Nyxisto wrote: Apparently the NY attorney general's office has shut the Trump foundation down. Well that's awkward http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-organization-ordered-to-halt-fundraising-by-new-york-attorney-general-1475517138 Means he has to come into compliance or move to a different state. Still not a good look though. | ||
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pmh
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Plansix
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On October 04 2016 09:03 pmh wrote: The usa,they are currently at the peak of their power. This is the all time high for the economic and political power of the usa. The coming president will mark the start of the decline. And it wont even be his or her fault. The bait is strong with this one. | ||
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oBlade
United States5909 Posts
On October 04 2016 09:03 pmh wrote: The usa,they are currently at the peak of their power. This is the all time high for the economic and political power of the usa. The coming president will mark the start of the decline. And it wont even be his or her fault. It's the last 20 years of insiders, it should be possible to reverse. | ||
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kwizach
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On October 04 2016 08:59 GreenHorizons wrote: Beyond the document we're looking at, not yet. But again, this isn't the first dance. We're not "looking at" any document supporting that idea. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23671 Posts
On October 04 2016 09:11 kwizach wrote: We're not "looking at" any document supporting that idea. No we're looking at a document that shows the meeting the quote is allegedly pulled from isn't fictitious. Since we won't know whether it's a true quote for an undetermined amount of time I'll ask again, would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? What difference would it make? | ||
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LegalLord
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
The Assange thing has to hit really hard to give him a break if you're rooting for Trump + Show Spoiler [for shits and giggles] + Utah / SEP. 19-OCT. 2 / CVOTER International / C+ / Trump +38 District of Columbia / SEP. 19-OCT. 2 / CVOTER International / C+ / Clinton +65 | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 04 2016 08:57 kwizach wrote: Translation: there is zero evidence to support the idea that Clinton wants Assange assassinated. Got it! if it was true would it change anything for you? | ||
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kwizach
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On October 04 2016 09:16 GreenHorizons wrote: No we're looking at a document that shows the meeting the quote is allegedly pulled from isn't fictitious. Since we won't know whether it's a true quote for an undetermined amount of time I'll ask again, would it matter if it was 100% confirmed? What difference would it make? We're looking at a document that shows State dept officials discussed Wikileaks in 2010 (duh?). Nothing in that document indicates that assassinating Assange is an idea that was given any consideration, or even brought up at all. I could make up an account of that meeting with Clinton suggesting that the U.S. use the secret Death Star it has been building on the dark side of the moon to blow up every city where a staff member of Wikileaks lives, and it would be as substantiated as your claim. It's not a matter of this not being "100% confirmed", it's a matter of this not being confirmed at all, and even of this being a random claim made by a writer on a conspiracy theory website. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23671 Posts
On October 04 2016 09:40 biology]major wrote: if it was true would it change anything for you? On October 04 2016 09:43 kwizach wrote: We're looking at a document that shows State dept officials discussed Wikileaks in 2010 (duh?). Nothing in that document indicates that assassinating Assange is an idea that was given any consideration, or even brought up at all. I could make up an account of that meeting with Clinton suggesting that the U.S. use the secret Death Star it has been building on the dark side of the moon to blow up every city where a staff member of Wikileaks lives, and it would be as substantiated as your claim. It's not a matter of this not being "100% confirmed", it's a matter of this not being confirmed at all, and even of this being a random claim made by an admin on a conspiracy theory website. I suspect they are dodging on purpose. | ||
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kwizach
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On October 04 2016 09:40 biology]major wrote: if it was true would it change anything for you? I find the idea of assassinating Assange despicable, if that's what you're asking. | ||
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