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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 19 2016 17:42 GMT
#100741
On September 20 2016 02:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
what if there's already present a number of people who might statistically be more likely to become autocombusters if they are discriminated against by the reasoning that they are more likely to autocombust than other people? Like, say there are 1000000 people living somewhere, and they have an autocombustability rate of 1/100000, so 10 of those are gonna autocombust the next year. Then, from the outside, there's a group of 100000 people, who are exactly the same as that first group, except their autocombustability rate is 20/100000- so by admitting that group, you'd have a tripling of the autocombusting. However, the first group of 1000000 which has a current autocombustability rate of 1/100000 is going to somehow start combusting more frequently if the first group is not admitted (because the restriction of access to that group is bound to be coupled with distrust and mistreatment towards people who seem to belong to that group and people experiencing distrust and mistreatment are more likely to autocombust), perhaps reaching an autocombustability rate of 5/100000, which would be more total than what we'd experience allowing the initial group of high-risk autocombusters to enter.


yeah possibly. but this seems to be regarding the "decidably combustible" scenario. then we are simply engaged in empirical discussions about how likely muslims are to combust and have already accepted the legitimacy of restricting or not restricting based on that population characteristic.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 19 2016 17:45 GMT
#100742
On September 20 2016 02:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
what if there's already present a number of people who might statistically be more likely to become autocombusters if they are discriminated against by the reasoning that they are more likely to autocombust than other people? Like, say there are 1000000 people living somewhere, and they have an autocombustability rate of 1/100000, so 10 of those are gonna autocombust the next year. Then, from the outside, there's a group of 100000 people, who are exactly the same as that first group, except their autocombustability rate is 20/100000- so by admitting that group, you'd have a tripling of the autocombusting. However, the first group of 1000000 which has a current autocombustability rate of 1/100000 is going to somehow start combusting more frequently if the first group is not admitted (because the restriction of access to that group is bound to be coupled with distrust and mistreatment towards people who seem to belong to that group and people experiencing distrust and mistreatment are more likely to autocombust), perhaps reaching an autocombustability rate of 5/100000, which would be more total than what we'd experience allowing the initial group of high-risk autocombusters to enter.


Then they are mentally unstable.

Verdict: No.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-19 17:46:16
September 19 2016 17:45 GMT
#100743
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 19 2016 17:48 GMT
#100744
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

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"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 19 2016 17:48 GMT
#100745
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12359 Posts
September 19 2016 17:49 GMT
#100746
On September 20 2016 02:37 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:31 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:21 IgnE wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:17 CobaltBlu wrote:
I'm not keen on this auto combusting thought experiment since it seems to imply that people from certain places are defunct humans and are bound to randomly cause harm. Syrians should be subject to more stringent screening because their country of origin is engaged in a civil war and is home to an active terrorist group not because there is something inherently wrong with Syrians.


im confused. you are against thought experiments because you think people might become confused? you can raise that objection as the analysis progresses. we are plumbing into the depths here to get our foundations in order and ultimately clear up confusions.


I'm not sure how you expect to clear confusions by basically presenting a specific immigration as a breach of quarantine.


in a sense isn't that what opposition to syrian refugees is about? or even the idea of quarantining muslims until they civilize themselves? i dont think your objection makes sense


Well in that case the way to clear confusion about this is the Rubio way, in which you dispell the notion that immigration is or should be viewed as a breach of quarantine.
No will to live, no wish to die
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 19 2016 17:51 GMT
#100747
On September 20 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.


Like this catchphrase.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 19 2016 17:51 GMT
#100748
On September 20 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.


Appealing to the average voter with left wing rethoric.

Trump tries to inspire his voting base, unlike Hillary. There is a massive gap between voting intent and actually getting up and going to vote that favors Trump.

"Make America Great Again" v/s "I suck but he sucks more".
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 19 2016 17:56 GMT
#100749
"In Israel...[t]hey see somebody that’s suspicious they will profile. They will take that person and they’ll check them."

"[Attacks are] something that will happen perhaps, more and more all over the country.”

On his solution to the problem:

“We’re going to have to do something extremely tough over there...Like knock the hell out of them. And we have to get everybody together and we have to lead for a change...We’re going to have to be very tough and you have other countries over there that we are getting devastated far more than we are. And you have to get them together. It’s called leadership. And they have to fight. You know, they have to fight the battle. The battle is over there. And we have to fight the battle and we can’t let any more people come into this country and when we have bad ones — you know, we have people going over fighting for ISIS and coming back and we know they are fighting for ISIS and we take them. Once you leave this country, you fight for ISIS, you never come back.”


- D. Trump, 9/19/16




For now I'm going to keep the faith that most Americans recognize this rhetoric for the non-solution that it is.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43257 Posts
September 19 2016 17:56 GMT
#100750
On September 20 2016 02:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.


Appealing to the average voter with left wing rethoric.

Trump tries to inspire his voting base, unlike Hillary. There is a massive gap between voting intent and actually getting up and going to vote that favors Trump.

"Make America Great Again" v/s "I suck but he sucks more".

How is the implication that America is no longer great and needs a clown like Trump to fix it inspirational? I feel Trump's message has been overwhelmingly negative. That America is broken, that it is being overrun with terrorists, Mexican rapists and people who hate Christmas, guns and Jesus. That's why the Democrats have stolen so much patriotic "USA USA USA" ground.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 19 2016 18:01 GMT
#100751
On September 20 2016 02:56 Doodsmack wrote:
"In Israel...[t]hey see somebody that’s suspicious they will profile. They will take that person and they’ll check them."

"[Attacks are] something that will happen perhaps, more and more all over the country.”

On his solution to the problem:

“We’re going to have to do something extremely tough over there...Like knock the hell out of them. And we have to get everybody together and we have to lead for a change...We’re going to have to be very tough and you have other countries over there that we are getting devastated far more than we are. And you have to get them together. It’s called leadership. And they have to fight. You know, they have to fight the battle. The battle is over there. And we have to fight the battle and we can’t let any more people come into this country and when we have bad ones — you know, we have people going over fighting for ISIS and coming back and we know they are fighting for ISIS and we take them. Once you leave this country, you fight for ISIS, you never come back.”


- D. Trump, 9/19/16




For now I'm going to keep the faith that most Americans recognize this rhetoric for the non-solution that it is.

I like how he completely misunderstands what profiling is. Like fails to understand what it is at a basic level.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
September 19 2016 18:05 GMT
#100752
On September 20 2016 02:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.


Appealing to the average voter with left wing rethoric.

Trump tries to inspire his voting base, unlike Hillary. There is a massive gap between voting intent and actually getting up and going to vote that favors Trump.

"Make America Great Again" v/s "I suck but he sucks more".

How is the implication that America is no longer great and needs a clown like Trump to fix it inspirational? I feel Trump's message has been overwhelmingly negative. That America is broken, that it is being overrun with terrorists, Mexican rapists and people who hate Christmas, guns and Jesus. That's why the Democrats have stolen so much patriotic "USA USA USA" ground.


The "Make America Great Again" slogan appeals to the idea that the country has a great history and invites you to take initiave to be part of it; it also appeals to fear as you correctly pointed out, which is another great motivator.
The democrats are full on "white guilt mode" (US history is "shameful") and all the other negative things you pointed out are encouraged by them directly or by omission.

Does Hillary even have a Slogan?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5769 Posts
September 19 2016 18:09 GMT
#100753
Hillary's slogan is I'm With Her.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 19 2016 18:10 GMT
#100754
On September 20 2016 02:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
On September 20 2016 02:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Just heard a HRC ad and did some googling to see Trump's language. "Good-paying jobs" instead of "well-paying jobs" from both parties makes my blood boil.

/end grammar Nazi

(yeah, yeah, colloquial adverb, but if I hear both of them at the debates say "we're doing good" or any version of that my faith is going to totally go)

We're gonna win and we're gonna win bigly.


Appealing to the average voter with left wing rethoric.

Trump tries to inspire his voting base, unlike Hillary. There is a massive gap between voting intent and actually getting up and going to vote that favors Trump.

"Make America Great Again" v/s "I suck but he sucks more".

The elites & political establishment governing haven't worked, it just hasn't worked because they haven't had the best plans, I have the best plans, I will make America great again. It's not aimed at my faction, but it is inspirational. Meanwhile you can turn up at a given Hillary speech. About two weeks ago, Hillary was making the election all about Trump: Trump's not fit to be president, look at all these slimy alt-right people that support him, look at all their conspiracy theories about my health I couldn't be better. It looks like Hillary's got an edge but it's real small with fifty days remaining and her current rhetoric won't turn out the vote.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 19 2016 18:11 GMT
#100755
On September 20 2016 03:09 oBlade wrote:
Hillary's slogan is I'm With Her.

Kind of a really, really lame slogan.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 19 2016 18:11 GMT
#100756
On September 20 2016 03:09 oBlade wrote:
Hillary's slogan is I'm With Her.

Its "Stronger Together".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5769 Posts
September 19 2016 18:12 GMT
#100757
Yes, stronger to get her to the presidency.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 19 2016 18:12 GMT
#100758
yeah but its a pretty lame one.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 19 2016 18:15 GMT
#100759
On September 20 2016 03:12 oBlade wrote:
Yes, stronger to get her to the presidency.

Make America Great Again, elect a Poorly Informed Trust Fund Baby.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 19 2016 18:15 GMT
#100760
"Stronger together" sounds like a ripoff of the not so great "Stronger in Europe" slogan of the Brexit Remain campaign.

I found these while Googling for her slogan and I thought them worth a laugh:
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