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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 04:21:25
October 01 2013 04:20 GMT
#9781
On October 01 2013 13:16 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:13 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:09 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:07 packrat386 wrote:
On one hand, the republican argument against different restrictions for congress seems reasonable, on the other hand, why the fuck do we have to argue about it right now -_-


Because there is no other time. If they keep passing spending Obama wants, they won't be taken seriously.


Only by beating up public service workers are you taken seriously! 'MURICA


They'll get payed for doing nothing, just late. They have it ok so I'm not concerned.


Wow, yea, I'm sure that's no problem to the men and women living paycheck to paycheck. Nothing bad could ever happen from being paid late.

You know, part of what gets cut is appropriations to Veterans Affairs. I can't imagine that having any negative consequences while we have a suicide epidemic. But yea, I see what you mean. Who cares about veterans, amirite?

"Paid for doing nothing." Screw you, buddy.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 04:20 GMT
#9782
On October 01 2013 13:15 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I mean really, what the hell are you talking about? Some crazy broad definition of creditor?

My definition of creditor is the same as yours. What on earth are you talking about?

Paying creditors is a small portion of Federal spending.

[image loading]


^ I think the treasury can cover that tyvm.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
October 01 2013 04:21 GMT
#9783
RIP usa ;~;


Actually Congress has to authorize their back pay. So they may not actually be paid if Congress does nothing.


In the 17+ (or is it 25+?) times this has happened since the 70s, they have always received back pay.

We haven't seen this in almost 20 years, but this shutdown is not some new, novel occurrence.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 04:25:42
October 01 2013 04:21 GMT
#9784
There's bigger news than the government shutdown.

Obamacare is live!

Welcome to the rest of the advance world and enjoy your universal healthcare.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 04:24:19
October 01 2013 04:22 GMT
#9785
On October 01 2013 13:20 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:16 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:13 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:09 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:07 packrat386 wrote:
On one hand, the republican argument against different restrictions for congress seems reasonable, on the other hand, why the fuck do we have to argue about it right now -_-


Because there is no other time. If they keep passing spending Obama wants, they won't be taken seriously.


Only by beating up public service workers are you taken seriously! 'MURICA


They'll get payed for doing nothing, just late. They have it ok so I'm not concerned.


Wow, yea, I'm sure that's no problem to the men and women living paycheck to paycheck. Nothing bad could ever happen from being paid late.

You know, part of what gets cut is appropriations to Veterans Affairs. I can't imagine that having any negative consequences while we have a suicide epidemic. But yea, I see what you mean. Who cares about veterans, amirite?

"Paid for doing nothing." Screw you, buddy.


it's that or just keep adding to 17 trillion in debt. So I think this matters more. besides, I don't know for sure, but I would imagine the temp bill the house tried to pass the other day included spending for all military needs. The SENATE rejected it.

I mean the president hoisted this massive disaster of a bill on us, but since it's "progress" you are a ok with that screwing we are going to get!
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 01 2013 04:24 GMT
#9786
On October 01 2013 13:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:15 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I mean really, what the hell are you talking about? Some crazy broad definition of creditor?

My definition of creditor is the same as yours. What on earth are you talking about?

Paying creditors is a small portion of Federal spending.

[image loading]


^ I think the treasury can cover that tyvm.


Your definition of realistic isn't the same as mine. Unless you think we can cut government spending by roughly 20% in seventeen days?
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 01 2013 04:25 GMT
#9787
On October 01 2013 13:20 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:16 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:13 DoubleReed wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:09 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:07 packrat386 wrote:
On one hand, the republican argument against different restrictions for congress seems reasonable, on the other hand, why the fuck do we have to argue about it right now -_-


Because there is no other time. If they keep passing spending Obama wants, they won't be taken seriously.


Only by beating up public service workers are you taken seriously! 'MURICA


They'll get payed for doing nothing, just late. They have it ok so I'm not concerned.


Wow, yea, I'm sure that's no problem to the men and women living paycheck to paycheck. Nothing bad could ever happen from being paid late.

You know, part of what gets cut is appropriations to Veterans Affairs. I can't imagine that having any negative consequences while we have a suicide epidemic. But yea, I see what you mean. Who cares about veterans, amirite?

"Paid for doing nothing." Screw you, buddy.

_Thank you_ I would very much like to keep eating please.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
October 01 2013 04:25 GMT
#9788
On October 01 2013 13:24 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:15 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I mean really, what the hell are you talking about? Some crazy broad definition of creditor?

My definition of creditor is the same as yours. What on earth are you talking about?

Paying creditors is a small portion of Federal spending.

[image loading]


^ I think the treasury can cover that tyvm.


Your definition of realistic isn't the same as mine. Unless you think we can cut government spending by roughly 20% in seventeen days?


They can start SOMEWHERE. The White House refuses to start ANYWHERE.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 01 2013 04:25 GMT
#9789
wow america, wow.
starleague forever
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 04:26 GMT
#9790
On October 01 2013 13:19 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:17 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Yes, wikipedia has poor wording sometimes.


I can go directly to the source if you want.

Show nested quote +
The debt limit does not authorize new spending commitments. It simply allows the government to finance existing legal obligations that Congresses and presidents of both parties have made in the past.

Treasury

They're writing broadly for the general public.

Creditor usually means debt holder.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 04:29:46
October 01 2013 04:26 GMT
#9791
On October 01 2013 13:25 Introvert wrote:
They can start SOMEWHERE. The White House refuses to start ANYWHERE.


That's where you're wrong. They're starting with a government shutdown.

I hope you think the Republicans can win this one.

On October 01 2013 13:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
They're writing broadly for the general public.

Creditor usually means debt holder.

Do you have a source that contradicts the Treasury? It seems pretty clear that the ability to spend money is not at all the same thing as the ability to honor repayments.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
October 01 2013 04:27 GMT
#9792
It's really funny to see all the panicked people in here. This isn't new! It's just that Bush never had it happen cause he liked to spend big.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/04/08/6432513-this-would-be-18th-government-shutdown-in-us-history?lite
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
October 01 2013 04:27 GMT
#9793
I work in the mortgage industry.. wonder if rates are going to go up because of this. =(
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 04:27:46
October 01 2013 04:27 GMT
#9794
Say goodbye to the last 3 or 4 independent voters you didn't manage to scare away with the 2012 election, GOP.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 01 2013 04:27 GMT
#9795
On October 01 2013 13:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
There's bigger news than the government shutdown.

Obamacare is live!

Welcome to the rest of the advance world and enjoy your universal healthcare.


It's not universal healthcare. 30 million people still without health insurance. We are far, far from the ideal.
Writer
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
October 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#9796
Wow I didn't know the shut down in 95 was 3 weeks long. Crazy.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#9797
On October 01 2013 13:27 Eben wrote:
I work in the mortgage industry.. wonder if rates are going to go up because of this. =(

probably not for a bit. If there is a prolonged shutdown its gonna have some bad impacts though.
dreaming of a sunny day
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 04:28 GMT
#9798
On October 01 2013 13:24 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:15 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
I mean really, what the hell are you talking about? Some crazy broad definition of creditor?

My definition of creditor is the same as yours. What on earth are you talking about?

Paying creditors is a small portion of Federal spending.

[image loading]


^ I think the treasury can cover that tyvm.


Your definition of realistic isn't the same as mine. Unless you think we can cut government spending by roughly 20% in seventeen days?

We need to cut by 20%? Source?
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
October 01 2013 04:29 GMT
#9799
On October 01 2013 13:27 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
There's bigger news than the government shutdown.

Obamacare is live!

Welcome to the rest of the advance world and enjoy your universal healthcare.


It's not universal healthcare. 30 million people still without health insurance. We are far, far from the ideal.


Closer than we were before at least~
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
October 01 2013 04:29 GMT
#9800
On October 01 2013 13:28 DannyJ wrote:
Wow I didn't know the shut down in 95 was 3 weeks long. Crazy.


And some real deals came from it too.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
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