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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 03:49 GMT
#9741
I can't believe the extent to which this is actually happening. Not trying to blame a particular side, but it certainly gets hard to argue that the american system isn't broken.
dreaming of a sunny day
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 03:52 GMT
#9742
On October 01 2013 12:48 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 12:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Apparently not, since they didn't budget for their borrowing needs.

Regardless, budgets can be changed at will. Same as any law.

Edit 3: I don't think the new budget has been passed anyways. Isn't that what we're dealing with here?

You do know how the debt ceiling works, right?

Congress has already spent the money being argued about. The whole debate is whether or not Congress will pay its creditors for the money it spent.

You don't need to raise the debt ceiling to pay your creditors.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 03:53 GMT
#9743
On October 01 2013 12:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 12:48 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 12:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Apparently not, since they didn't budget for their borrowing needs.

Regardless, budgets can be changed at will. Same as any law.

Edit 3: I don't think the new budget has been passed anyways. Isn't that what we're dealing with here?

You do know how the debt ceiling works, right?

Congress has already spent the money being argued about. The whole debate is whether or not Congress will pay its creditors for the money it spent.

You don't need to raise the debt ceiling to pay your creditors.

If I'm not mistaken you do need to raise the debt ceiling to pay your creditors without just printing the necessary money. Our govt never *technically* has to default on debt because it can print dollars. That however would be a bad idea.
dreaming of a sunny day
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 03:53 GMT
#9744
Budget Director: Execute shut down plans.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 03:54 GMT
#9745
Man, Jared Polis is an ass. As if this is the time for overblown rhetoric.
dreaming of a sunny day
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 03:55 GMT
#9746
On October 01 2013 12:53 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 12:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On October 01 2013 12:48 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 12:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Apparently not, since they didn't budget for their borrowing needs.

Regardless, budgets can be changed at will. Same as any law.

Edit 3: I don't think the new budget has been passed anyways. Isn't that what we're dealing with here?

You do know how the debt ceiling works, right?

Congress has already spent the money being argued about. The whole debate is whether or not Congress will pay its creditors for the money it spent.

You don't need to raise the debt ceiling to pay your creditors.

If I'm not mistaken you do need to raise the debt ceiling to pay your creditors without just printing the necessary money. Our govt never *technically* has to default on debt because it can print dollars. That however would be a bad idea.

You can pay your creditors with your revenue and by rolling over existing debt.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 03:56 GMT
#9747
Shut down is now in effect according to the White House and Budget Office.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 03:59:07
October 01 2013 03:58 GMT
#9748
On October 01 2013 12:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
You can pay your creditors with your revenue and by rolling over existing debt.

You could also shoot your creditors or default. But I was under the impression we were talking about realistic solutions.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 03:58 GMT
#9749
On October 01 2013 12:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Shut down is now in effect according to the White House and Budget Office.

Well whoop-de-doo -_-
dreaming of a sunny day
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 04:00 GMT
#9750
Happy New Years Shut Down
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 01 2013 04:00 GMT
#9751
Better they get their tantrum out of the way on the government shutdown rather than the debt ceiling. Hopefully it won't last too long.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 04:02 GMT
#9752
On October 01 2013 13:00 DoubleReed wrote:
Better they get their tantrum out of the way on the government shutdown rather than the debt ceiling. Hopefully it won't last too long.

Yeah. I would be surprised if this didn't reflect on the reliability of US credit though.
dreaming of a sunny day
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15677 Posts
October 01 2013 04:02 GMT
#9753
Looks like the GOP is going all in with this one. 2014 can't come soon enough.

Thank you, tea party!!
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 01 2013 04:03 GMT
#9754
On October 01 2013 12:58 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 12:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
You can pay your creditors with your revenue and by rolling over existing debt.

You could also shoot your creditors or default. But I was under the impression we were talking about realistic solutions.

It's realistic to prioritize creditors over other spending.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 04:04 GMT
#9755
On October 01 2013 13:00 DoubleReed wrote:
Better they get their tantrum out of the way on the government shutdown rather than the debt ceiling. Hopefully it won't last too long.


Except Boehner no longer controls the Republican Party, the lunatics who hate big government do.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 04:05 GMT
#9756
Can someone tell me exactly what the terms of the CR were with regards to Obamacare?
dreaming of a sunny day
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2013 04:05 GMT
#9757
Also if you have money invested, pull it before the NYSE opens. Or better yet, pull it now. If you can.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4747 Posts
October 01 2013 04:07 GMT
#9758
HAPPY EXTENDED GOVERNMENT WEEKEND!!!

They've happened before, and they will again. Not too worried.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 04:07 GMT
#9759
On one hand, the republican argument against different restrictions for congress seems reasonable, on the other hand, why the fuck do we have to argue about it right now -_-
dreaming of a sunny day
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 01 2013 04:08 GMT
#9760
So lbnl has enough money to pay its employees for 3 months, after that I wont be able to eat -.-. So much for America being a good place to do research because of all the resources lol. But seriously this is just a for show thing right? They aren't actually going to keep this craziness up?
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
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