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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 01 2013 05:00 GMT
#9821
On October 01 2013 13:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or just go to http://www.healthcare.gov and click on the Learn More button...

I couldn't create my security questions.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
October 01 2013 05:01 GMT
#9822
What is it with the Republican obsession with hurting poor people?
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 01 2013 05:02 GMT
#9823
On October 01 2013 13:54 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:32 Introvert wrote:
This isn't the place to ask, between the liberal bent of TL and the Europeans all congratulating us on a bill they don't know anything about, either. I don't know where you are even supposed to start at this point. Just know that wherever you go, it is going to be biased, one way or another. You have a long night ahead of you.

edit: Wikipedia is ok for overview, but this law is VERY far reaching and you won't find all the info (especially info that is more critical of the law) on that page. It has 80+ references to the liberal "The New Republic" on that page, for example.

Jonathan Gruber wrote a pretty good comic book on the law. I suggest looking it up.

If my suspicions are correct, you know even less about the law than even the average liberal TLer.


Because I said TL is not a good source?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 01 2013 05:03 GMT
#9824
Also, funny that all national parks are closed during the shutdown, and Google's search page feature is on Yosemite.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 01 2013 05:08 GMT
#9825
On October 01 2013 14:02 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:54 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:32 Introvert wrote:
This isn't the place to ask, between the liberal bent of TL and the Europeans all congratulating us on a bill they don't know anything about, either. I don't know where you are even supposed to start at this point. Just know that wherever you go, it is going to be biased, one way or another. You have a long night ahead of you.

edit: Wikipedia is ok for overview, but this law is VERY far reaching and you won't find all the info (especially info that is more critical of the law) on that page. It has 80+ references to the liberal "The New Republic" on that page, for example.

Jonathan Gruber wrote a pretty good comic book on the law. I suggest looking it up.

If my suspicions are correct, you know even less about the law than even the average liberal TLer.


Because I said TL is not a good source?


Nah, that's just evidence of the conservative spin zone you live in.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 01 2013 05:14 GMT
#9826
On October 01 2013 14:01 tree.hugger wrote:
What is it with the Republican obsession with hurting poor people?

If you presume Obamacare to be helping poor people, you are very wrong. It's hurting their ability to get a job, it's hurting their abilty to advance within their current job, and it's a very bad means of welfare for the rest.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
October 01 2013 05:15 GMT
#9827
On October 01 2013 13:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or just go to http://www.healthcare.gov and click on the Learn More button...

I don't see any such button.

On October 01 2013 13:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:30 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Sorry, Can someone enlighten me on what exactly the Affordable Care Act is, and what it's supposed to do (and/or what it is actually doing?)

I actually got a phone survey call a few months back asking me tons of questions about it and I basically just answered I don't know/I don't care to most of the stuff. It seems pretty convoluted at the least.

3 basic parts:
-No one can be denied healthcare or charged more due to preexisting conditions, lifetime caps, etc, and all healthcare plans have at least a minimum standard of benefits
-Everyone must get healthcare or be fined. Nothing changes if you already have healthcare.
-There are subsidies to buy healthcare on exchanges here for low income families that can't afford it. Some plans are as cheap as $100 a month.


Currently I have no job and am broke, and don't have any conditions or care about insurance. What do/should I do?


PS- I see a bunch of people on fb complaining right now they aren't going to be paid for the next 2 weeks or something. I think they all work for the TSA or airport or something? They aren't being very receptive to my questions, what are they bitching about?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
October 01 2013 05:15 GMT
#9828
On October 01 2013 14:14 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:01 tree.hugger wrote:
What is it with the Republican obsession with hurting poor people?

If you presume Obamacare to be helping poor people, you are very wrong. It's hurting their ability to get a job, it's hurting their abilty to advance within their current job, and it's a very bad means of welfare for the rest.


Those are some mighty fine talking points you have there. Mind if I ask where you got them?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 05:18:21
October 01 2013 05:16 GMT
#9829
On October 01 2013 14:08 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:02 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:54 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:32 Introvert wrote:
This isn't the place to ask, between the liberal bent of TL and the Europeans all congratulating us on a bill they don't know anything about, either. I don't know where you are even supposed to start at this point. Just know that wherever you go, it is going to be biased, one way or another. You have a long night ahead of you.

edit: Wikipedia is ok for overview, but this law is VERY far reaching and you won't find all the info (especially info that is more critical of the law) on that page. It has 80+ references to the liberal "The New Republic" on that page, for example.

Jonathan Gruber wrote a pretty good comic book on the law. I suggest looking it up.

If my suspicions are correct, you know even less about the law than even the average liberal TLer.


Because I said TL is not a good source?


Nah, that's just evidence of the conservative spin zone you live in.


becuase I told him it's incredible poiltical and he isn't going to find unbiased info (especially on TL?). You most likey still think that counting years worth of taxes before the implementation (making the law "debt positive" for the first 10 yrs) is a legtimate way to calculate and sell it.

not going to get into it, but if you thought that comment alone was enough you are the one in your own mediamatters world. idk man.

edit: Neverminmd the fact that these things always cost more than projected.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 01 2013 05:16 GMT
#9830
On October 01 2013 14:15 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or just go to http://www.healthcare.gov and click on the Learn More button...

I don't see any such button.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:30 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Sorry, Can someone enlighten me on what exactly the Affordable Care Act is, and what it's supposed to do (and/or what it is actually doing?)

I actually got a phone survey call a few months back asking me tons of questions about it and I basically just answered I don't know/I don't care to most of the stuff. It seems pretty convoluted at the least.

3 basic parts:
-No one can be denied healthcare or charged more due to preexisting conditions, lifetime caps, etc, and all healthcare plans have at least a minimum standard of benefits
-Everyone must get healthcare or be fined. Nothing changes if you already have healthcare.
-There are subsidies to buy healthcare on exchanges here for low income families that can't afford it. Some plans are as cheap as $100 a month.


Currently I have no job and am broke, and don't have any conditions or care about insurance. What do/should I do?


PS- I see a bunch of people on fb complaining right now they aren't going to be paid for the next 2 weeks or something. I think they all work for the TSA or airport or something? They aren't being very receptive to my questions, what are they bitching about?


They won't be paid until it ends.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
October 01 2013 05:18 GMT
#9831
Until what ends?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 05:18 GMT
#9832
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?

Government shutdown.
dreaming of a sunny day
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 01 2013 05:18 GMT
#9833
On October 01 2013 14:16 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:08 IgnE wrote:
On October 01 2013 14:02 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:54 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:32 Introvert wrote:
This isn't the place to ask, between the liberal bent of TL and the Europeans all congratulating us on a bill they don't know anything about, either. I don't know where you are even supposed to start at this point. Just know that wherever you go, it is going to be biased, one way or another. You have a long night ahead of you.

edit: Wikipedia is ok for overview, but this law is VERY far reaching and you won't find all the info (especially info that is more critical of the law) on that page. It has 80+ references to the liberal "The New Republic" on that page, for example.

Jonathan Gruber wrote a pretty good comic book on the law. I suggest looking it up.

If my suspicions are correct, you know even less about the law than even the average liberal TLer.


Because I said TL is not a good source?


Nah, that's just evidence of the conservative spin zone you live in.


becuase I told him it's incredible poiltical and he isn't going to find unbiased info (especially on TL?). You most likey still think that counting years worth of taxes before the implementation (making the law "debt positive" for the first 10 yrs) is a legtimate way to calculate and sell it.

not going to get into it, but if you thought that comment alone was enough you are the one in your own mediamatters world. idk man.


It's because you told him that Wikipedia is basically liberal-infested waters and not a good source of information.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 01 2013 05:19 GMT
#9834
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?


The shutdown. like I said, if you don't know this, I don't know where start. How much do you know about the way our government operates?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
October 01 2013 05:19 GMT
#9835
On October 01 2013 14:18 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?

Government shutdown.

What?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
October 01 2013 05:19 GMT
#9836
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?


Government shutdown. All non-essential personnel (congresspeople are essential, of course) are expected to work for free until the government is revived.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 01 2013 05:20 GMT
#9837
On October 01 2013 14:19 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:18 packrat386 wrote:
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?

Government shutdown.

What?

dude, just go to google news and read the US news articles.
dreaming of a sunny day
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 01 2013 05:20 GMT
#9838
On October 01 2013 14:18 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:16 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 14:08 IgnE wrote:
On October 01 2013 14:02 Introvert wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:54 acker wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:32 Introvert wrote:
This isn't the place to ask, between the liberal bent of TL and the Europeans all congratulating us on a bill they don't know anything about, either. I don't know where you are even supposed to start at this point. Just know that wherever you go, it is going to be biased, one way or another. You have a long night ahead of you.

edit: Wikipedia is ok for overview, but this law is VERY far reaching and you won't find all the info (especially info that is more critical of the law) on that page. It has 80+ references to the liberal "The New Republic" on that page, for example.

Jonathan Gruber wrote a pretty good comic book on the law. I suggest looking it up.

If my suspicions are correct, you know even less about the law than even the average liberal TLer.


Because I said TL is not a good source?


Nah, that's just evidence of the conservative spin zone you live in.


becuase I told him it's incredible poiltical and he isn't going to find unbiased info (especially on TL?). You most likey still think that counting years worth of taxes before the implementation (making the law "debt positive" for the first 10 yrs) is a legtimate way to calculate and sell it.

not going to get into it, but if you thought that comment alone was enough you are the one in your own mediamatters world. idk man.


It's because you told him that Wikipedia is basically liberal-infested waters and not a good source of information.


Wikipedia is good for random crap, not highly politcal current events. I sadi it was a good overview, anyway. Just that all the fatcs aren't there.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
October 01 2013 05:20 GMT
#9839
On October 01 2013 14:19 SnipedSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:18 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Until what ends?


Government shutdown. All non-essential personnel (congresspeople are essential, of course) are expected to work for free until the government is revived.

Why is that happening? And why wouldn't they all just strike?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 05:21:23
October 01 2013 05:20 GMT
#9840
On October 01 2013 14:15 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or just go to http://www.healthcare.gov and click on the Learn More button...

I don't see any such button.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 13:36 paralleluniverse wrote:
On October 01 2013 13:30 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Sorry, Can someone enlighten me on what exactly the Affordable Care Act is, and what it's supposed to do (and/or what it is actually doing?)

I actually got a phone survey call a few months back asking me tons of questions about it and I basically just answered I don't know/I don't care to most of the stuff. It seems pretty convoluted at the least.

3 basic parts:
-No one can be denied healthcare or charged more due to preexisting conditions, lifetime caps, etc, and all healthcare plans have at least a minimum standard of benefits
-Everyone must get healthcare or be fined. Nothing changes if you already have healthcare.
-There are subsidies to buy healthcare on exchanges here for low income families that can't afford it. Some plans are as cheap as $100 a month.


Currently I have no job and am broke, and don't have any conditions or care about insurance. What do/should I do?


PS- I see a bunch of people on fb complaining right now they aren't going to be paid for the next 2 weeks or something. I think they all work for the TSA or airport or something? They aren't being very receptive to my questions, what are they bitching about?

What you should do is go to https://www.healthcare.gov/ and after answering a few questions, it will tell you the price of health insurance and whether you are eligible for subsidies. And then decide for yourself whether you want to buy it. Shit happens, you might be in a car crash, randomly becomes sick etc, and then you'll need healthcare.
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