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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 24 2016 17:05 GMT
#96201
On August 25 2016 01:51 ticklishmusic wrote:
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On August 25 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie Sanders’s New Political Group Is Met by Staff Revolt


Several people familiar with the organization said eight core staff members have stepped down. The group’s entire organizing department quit this week, along with people working in digital and data positions.

After the resignations, Mr. Sanders spoke to some who had quit and asked them to reconsider, but the staff members refused.

At the heart of the issue, according to several people who left, was deep distrust of and frustration with Mr. Weaver, whom they accused of wasting money on television advertising during Mr. Sanders’s campaign; mismanaging campaign funds by failing to hire staff or effectively target voters; and creating a hostile work environment by threatening to criticize staff members if they quit.

Source: NYT

I don't have a clue why Bernie is clinging so hard to Weaver. I imagine it is largely a trust thing.


This is kind of illustrating how hard it is to throw people under the bus if you, personally, have a good relationship with them. DWS is a monumental shithead as DNC chair (though she's vastly more qualified than Canova to be rep) but it's hard for Clinton to ditch her for more or less the same reason Bernie can't dump Weaver.


But this isn't a campaign. It's an organization. I don't see why it needs to be as simple as "second in command" always goes to whoever has recently been that. I can understand for Bernie campaigns, but this isn't a campaign.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 24 2016 17:05 GMT
#96202
Sounds like that attempt to profit off of the book was... a mess.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9217 Posts
August 24 2016 17:11 GMT
#96203
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 24 2016 17:12 GMT
#96204
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams

The secret is that he is neither of those things and is, in fact, a con-artist.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46125 Posts
August 24 2016 17:15 GMT
#96205
On August 25 2016 02:05 LegalLord wrote:
Sounds like that attempt to profit off of the book was... a mess.


Only books about females can be called a mess!
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 24 2016 17:16 GMT
#96206
On August 25 2016 02:05 LegalLord wrote:
Sounds like that attempt to profit off of the book was... a mess.


triggered.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-24 17:20:48
August 24 2016 17:19 GMT
#96207
What's hilarious about this election is to attack Hillary, the republicans have to make up conspiracy theories like her covering up horrible health issues, her having people killed for finding out about her problems or looking at her funny, her emails that have been now proven by the FBI to be a non issue, benghazi,benghazighazi, benghazighazighazi, etc... And all the democrats have to do is give trumps exact words.

I guess you could say that republicans are just a mess right now
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 24 2016 17:20 GMT
#96208
Iowa Rep. Steve King on Wednesday sought to downplay Donald Trump's recent "softening" on immigration, emphasizing that he did not interpret the Republican nominee's latest comments to be a significant change in his stance toward the millions of undocumented people in the country.

King, introduced on CNN by John Berman as a supporter of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz during the primaries, remarked that Trump's comment to Sean Hannity that he would consider "softening" his stance should be taken "with the balance" of his other comments. Trump remarked Tuesday night that "we're going to follow the laws of this country," while adding, "what people don't realize, what people don't realize, we have very, very strong laws.”

"When you balance that together, I think what it says is that if people are anticipating that there would be a deportation corps that would be deployed across this country, that softening means that's less likely," King acknowledged. "And he said, too, we have the police force out there. They know who people are. And let's work with local law enforcement. And they didn't say it in this interview. But in these sanctuary cities and enforcing the law, that will keep us busy for a long time."

When pressed on the context of Trump's remarks, in which the Manhattan businessman responded to a question about those here illegally who contribute to society, King suggested that Trump might have more to say about the legal status of such individuals.

"His answer then was there could be some softening, which I didn't quite hear as he'd be willing to change the law," said King, who said he would "push back on that," noting his position on the House Immigration Subcommittee and House Judiciary Committee. "And I think Donald Trump understands this. If asked further on this, I think he would come back to this point: we have to restore the respect for the rule of law in America. And part of that is to enforce the laws that we have. If we fail to do that, then the result of that will be, reward people for breaking the law which means that it would erode the very position that's taken him to the nomination."

King was then pressed on whether allowing people to stay, even if they contribute to society and have been law abiding, would be "tantamount to amnesty."

"I would say yes. And the reason is they're not law abiding in the first place. By crossing the border illegally, they're by definition criminals. And he has said he wants to remove the criminals in this country," King explained.


Source
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 24 2016 17:22 GMT
#96209
On August 25 2016 02:19 hunts wrote:
What's hilarious about this election is to attack Hillary, the republicans have to make up conspiracy theories like her covering up horrible health issues, her having people killed for finding out about her problems or looking at her funny, her emails that have been now proven by the FBI to be a non issue, benghazi,benghazighazi, benghazighazighazi, etc... And all the democrats have to do is give trumps exact words.

I'm very skeptical of calling ultra-right wing conspiracy theorists "Republicans" when they're just as willing to burn actual Republicans as they are Hillary.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 24 2016 17:40 GMT
#96210
King was then pressed on whether allowing people to stay, even if they contribute to society and have been law abiding, would be "tantamount to amnesty."

"I would say yes. And the reason is they're not law abiding in the first place. By crossing the border illegally, they're by definition criminals. And he has said he wants to remove the criminals in this country," King explained.


Source

Good close. At least he's trying to not appear wobbly on immigration.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 24 2016 17:41 GMT
#96211
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams


Because he's an altogether unimpressive businessman with little management acumen, who may not even be a billionaire. He probably needs whatever small time revenue streams he can get to maintain cash flow.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 24 2016 17:42 GMT
#96212
Yeah, good luck getting elected to the oval office with that plan. The deport all illegal immigrants plan might as well be called the "burn a big pile of money and accomplish nothing plan."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-24 17:50:38
August 24 2016 17:47 GMT
#96213
On August 25 2016 02:42 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, good luck getting elected to the oval office with that plan. The deport all illegal immigrants plan might as well be called the "burn a big pile of money and accomplish nothing plan."


It's the "win the tea party wing in the primaries" plan, and nothing more. The tea party was always going to get an immigration-centric presidential candidate...so why not just utter the simplest blanket statement you can to grab the tea partiers up.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 24 2016 17:48 GMT
#96214
On August 25 2016 02:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams


Because he's an altogether unimpressive businessman with little management acumen, who may not even be a billionaire. He probably needs whatever small time revenue streams he can get to maintain cash flow.

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those steaks look really weird. idk, the outside looks kinda like chicken and it's oddly disturbing.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-24 17:49:44
August 24 2016 17:49 GMT
#96215
On August 25 2016 02:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 02:42 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, good luck getting elected to the oval office with that plan. The deport all illegal immigrants plan might as well be called the "burn a big pile of money and accomplish nothing plan."


It's the "win the tea party wing in the primaries" plan, and nothing more. The tea party was always going to get an immigration-centric presidential candidate...so why not just utter the simplest blanket statement you can.


The ongoing practice of promising people things you can't delver to get elected and then demonizing the other side when you can't accomplish the thing you knew you couldn't do. I am sure they repeal/overturn Roe v Wade and Obama care too.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6253 Posts
August 24 2016 18:07 GMT
#96216
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams

The books were a campaign thing, a giveaway at the RNC.

But I see this thought come up a lot, like why does a billionaire have to license his brand to sell steaks and clothes, it's like asking why an airport has to nickel and dime you for parking.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 24 2016 18:12 GMT
#96217
On August 25 2016 03:07 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams

The books were a campaign thing, a giveaway at the RNC.

But I see this thought come up a lot, like why does a billionaire have to license his brand to sell steaks and clothes, it's like asking why an airport has to nickel and dime you for parking.


Why not? His brand is by far his bigger asset. The nature of the businesses he invested in may have been suspect (the clothing line did quite will though) but using your brand for whatever makes money is just good business sense.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-24 18:31:30
August 24 2016 18:14 GMT
#96218
On August 25 2016 03:07 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 02:11 Dan HH wrote:
Don't get why a supposed billionaire and brilliant bussinessman would involve himself in so many small time scams

The books were a campaign thing, a giveaway at the RNC.

But I see this thought come up a lot, like why does a billionaire have to license his brand to sell steaks and clothes, it's like asking why an airport has to nickel and dime you for parking.

I was referring more to literal scams rather than steaks/clothes, like the books, which if they were a campaign thing he would have given away at only publishing cost instead of paying himself royalties, Trump university, The Trump Network, etc
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 24 2016 18:15 GMT
#96219
I think Trump doing all these small time deals has less to do with him needing the money and more to do with his raging narcissism which requires his name being everywhere.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 24 2016 18:18 GMT
#96220
On August 25 2016 03:15 On_Slaught wrote:
I think Trump doing all these small time deals has less to do with him needing the money and more to do with his raging narcissism which requires his name being everywhere.


My understanding was that it is a liquidity crunch. He may actually own billions of dollars in properties, but they might have billions in leverage on them and he pays off the leverage with the running proceeds of the properties (golf courses cost a lot to buy and run). This leaves him in a position where coming up with a few million dollars requires another loan or selling a property, even though he technically owns billions in property. The small time scams and licensing deals (Trump steaks, University, courses, clothing, and the ABC show) provide him the actual cash he uses in his lifestyle.
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