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So in the bdsm world the cuckold fetish usually involves a degree of humiliation and inversion of typical cultural norms. That's what distinguishes it from hotwifing which is a subset of swinging in which just the wife plays. Cuckolding isn't just about the wife getting her rocks off, it's about the man being an inferior man, if that makes sense. In the US this often includes race play because of the black dick stereotype, the perceived animalistic nature of blacks, because interracial sex is still taboo and because it inverts the normal white supremacy cultural norm. If it's humiliating for a wife to choose another man over her husband then it's double humiliating for her to choose a black guy or whatever.
However this is somewhat unique to the US and the cultural context of race in the US whereas cuckolding is worldwide so they're wrong there.
Also it ignores how d/s dynamics typically work, it's generally about the husband getting what he needs out of it, he's topping from the bottom if that makes sense. This idea of the woman + black lover walking all over the submissive white husband is silly, they're generally going to be putting on a scene for his pleasure.
The way Trump people use it also generally ignores that humiliation/submission fetishes typically go hand in hand with extreme dominance and success in the vanilla world. The idea is that all the white male SJWs are "betas" who cannot get what they want through attracting women and power by their sheer natural manliness and as such will inevitably be exploited by the media while their women, who cannot help their base animal instincts, leave them for superior specimens. The reality in the kink world is that it would be Ivana Trump who would be fucking Barack while calling Donald inadequate so that he could explore his own feelings of inadequacy in the safe space of the bedroom while the white SJW dudes are at home and generally well adjusted.
That article also ignores the fact that the Trumpers typically see themselves as alphas, although to paraphrase Tywin Lannister, any man who must call himself alpha is no alpha. While there typically is a race element to the bull culture, particularly in the United States, the bull and the alpha are pretty entwined and the Trumpers certainly don't see themselves as Mexicans coming here to rape the women. They instead see themselves as the natural strong men who the unsatisfied wives of all those SJWs are picturing when they cuckold their husbands.
So basically the Trumpers and the Southern Poverty Law Center are both wrong. There is a race element but there isn't in the way Trumpers use it. Trumpers see themselves as the alphas, not Mexican rapists. However the Trumpers are actually the betas who are massively overcompensating and really drinking /r/theredpill Kool Aid. None of them are really cuckolds though because it takes a certain amount of success to become a cuckold and Trumpers typically don't fit the bill. Donald does though.
It's hard to be wrong on an issue of interpretation. Does anyone here know what cuckold meant in 1900? Maybe cuckservative is an amalgam of the meaning from 1800 and a certain meaning of conservative from 2016.
Maybe not everyone using the term is as well-versed in BDSM culture as you Kwark.
The SPLC explanation just doesn't work. It doesn't make sense for the cucks to be cuckolded by the rapist blacks and Mexicans because the point of it is that the wife willingly cucks the husband so if the blacks and Mexicans are rapists then the entire thing falls apart. Obviously you can have different interpretations but the SPLC race one isn't internally consistent.
Cuckolding didn't originally have a point, man. Cuckold wasn't always a developed fetish like it is now. The Miller in Chaucer's Tales was a cuckold. The original, dictionary definition of a cuckold was a man who (probably unknowingly) was being cheated on by his wife. I imagine it also works for scenarios in which the wife is a less-willing participant, like a slave wife being raped by the master.
edit: So obviously the fear of actually being cuckolded against your will is a powerful psychological force here. There's a difference between a guy who jacks off to cuckold porn and would never want his wife to actually be fucked by another guy and a real cuckold fetishist. SPLC is talking about those afraid people.
That has nothing to do with the appearance of it as a meme among Trumpers though. There is no nuance there. It's just "you're weak and your wife fantasies about being with me and you probably fantasize about her being with me too". That's the entire of it.
I don't know. I think it's used a lot of different ways, depending who is hurling the insults.
The things Ben Shapiro gets called:
I spent the bulk of my speech talking about how racial diversity was irrelevant -- diversity of viewpoint mattered. This was enough to drive chaos and insanity at the school for months. Apparently, quoting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. -- which I did during the speech -- makes me a "neo-KKK member."
Meanwhile, David Duke, former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard, has labeled me an enemy of the KKK. I've been hit daily on Twitter by certain alt-right white supremacist Donald Trump supporters labeling me a "cuck" -- a weak-kneed leftist who wants to watch his wife copulate with a black man. Prominent Breitbart News columnist Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted a picture of a black child at me upon my announcement of the birth of my second child. The neo-Nazi Daily Stormer routinely attacks me. Some of Trump's alt-right fans tweeted that I, along with my wife and two children, should be sent to the gas chambers.
edit Other white supremacists talk about how white evangelicals cuck their own families by adopting black babies- very clearly using the term racially. It might not be inherently racial, but it can and is wielded racially. I suspect it's a rather versatile insult in the double meaning department.
It comes from a nasty attitude whatever the meaning.
Most of the use of cuck that I've seen comes from Dindu levels of racists rather than actual genocide advocates so I drew my conclusions from a limited sample I guess. The reddit cuck shouting crowd are probably a very different demographic to the actual KKK membership crowd.
It can involve race and it can not. Some people's definition of cuck is having a black man power fuck your wife. Some peoples involves the weird/laughable Trump alpha thing. Some involves the fact that you're letting another man have what is "rightfully yours". Really depends on the context and who is throwing it around. Regardless, if you're not using the term in a 100% ironic fashion there is no help for you.
The cyberattack targeting Democratic politicians was more widespread than originally believed, The New York Times reported Wednesday.
The likely Russian cyberattack breached the private email accounts of more than 100 party officials and groups, sources told the Times.
Email accounts of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign officials, party operatives and Democratic Party organizations seem to have been the focus of the attack.
The FBI is now widening its investigation, and officials have started to tell Democrats that Russians may have gained access to their email accounts.
It had been previously reported that Russian hackers accessed the networks of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and the Clinton campaign's network was also believed to have been breached.
But the hack may also have extended to other organizations such as the Democratic Governors' Association, according to the Times.
Ahead of the Democratic National Convention last month, a trove of emails was released by WikiLeaks that appeared to show officials at the DNC planning how to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign.
The emails resulted in the resignation of former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz and other top officials.
Last week, FBI officials briefed staff members of House and Senate Intelligence Committees on its investigation into the issue and are expected to brief other congressional committees in the coming days.
During the briefing, officials reportedly talked about the high probability that Russian government was behind the cyberattack.
Officials are still trying to figure out a motive.
The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has previously pushed back against accusations that he published the emails of the Democratic Party leaders to hurt Clinton.
"We are very interested in power and publishing the truth about power so people can work out however they choose so they can reform power," he said.
On August 11 2016 10:24 OuchyDathurts wrote: ROFL its official. He's trying to lose the election. There is no other explanation.
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
On August 11 2016 11:11 Hexe wrote: Trump is trying to push aside his earlier clinton judge remark, but he is right in a sense.
isis spread like wildfire after the arab spring. They had no better conditioned ground to grow than the one our president oversaw. Obama pulled out of Iraq, in what many consider a political move during his second presidential campaign. And when they first sprouted, he did nothing. His entire foreign policy in the middle east is to have as little involvement as possible. . . he thought that they would find their niche alongside of the taliban and nothing more. Just last week they captured three thousand fleeing civilians.+ Show Spoiler +
that many consider it a political move doesn't mean they're right. It was the logical outcome of the deal Bush made about when we'd leave. and for the most part; staying out of it has much merit as a policy, most of the groups in syria aren't a problem for us, only this one is. It's also not like there were clearly better options. It's more often a refusal to accept that bad things happen, and sometimes there are no good choices; at least that's my perception of some of the criticisms.
Being right in some sense also doesn't excuse very poor, offensive, and slanderous choice of words.
obama pulled out of iraq, because he claimed it was secure. now half of iraq and the edges of bordering countries are under the power of a terrorist organization. that can only be described as a failure. and on top of that terrorist attacks have increased tenfold across the globe in western countries.
iirc it was bush who had negotiated an exit of troops with the iraqi gov and obama had no choice but to follow through more or less
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Understatement of the century contender.
Its a joke that disqualifies him from holding any office.
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Wait it was a joke? I thought he was just referring to getting 2nd amendment people to vote? Or that it merely was him saying what could hapoen, rather than what should happen?
On August 11 2016 11:11 Hexe wrote: Trump is trying to push aside his earlier clinton judge remark, but he is right in a sense.
isis spread like wildfire after the arab spring. They had no better conditioned ground to grow than the one our president oversaw. Obama pulled out of Iraq, in what many consider a political move during his second presidential campaign. And when they first sprouted, he did nothing. His entire foreign policy in the middle east is to have as little involvement as possible. . . he thought that they would find their niche alongside of the taliban and nothing more. Just last week they captured three thousand fleeing civilians.+ Show Spoiler +
that many consider it a political move doesn't mean they're right. It was the logical outcome of the deal Bush made about when we'd leave. and for the most part; staying out of it has much merit as a policy, most of the groups in syria aren't a problem for us, only this one is. It's also not like there were clearly better options. It's more often a refusal to accept that bad things happen, and sometimes there are no good choices; at least that's my perception of some of the criticisms.
Being right in some sense also doesn't excuse very poor, offensive, and slanderous choice of words.
obama pulled out of iraq, because he claimed it was secure. now half of iraq and the edges of bordering countries are under the power of a terrorist organization. that can only be described as a failure. and on top of that terrorist attacks have increased tenfold across the globe in western countries.
iirc it was bush who had negotiated an exit of troops with the iraqi gov and obama had no choice but to follow through more or less
He failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement. If this was possible or a smart move depends on what side of the aisle you're on.
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Wait it was a joke? I thought he was just referring to getting 2nd amendment people to vote? Or that it merely was him saying what could hapoen, rather than what should happen?
No, he was referring to what 2nd Amendment advocates should do after Hillary gets elected and after her judges are appointed. There's no way to weasel in the idea of voting against Hillary because in his hypothetical situation, she had already become president. It was clear as day that it was about assassination (what gun owners can do after she becomes president); clear to the Republicans, clear to the Democrats, and clear to the Secret Service.
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Understatement of the century contender.
Its a joke that disqualifies him from holding any office.
talking about clintons appointed judges, second amendment people "learn to hear" theyre rapists! no that is not the full quote. you ppl are the ones who cry wolf
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Wait it was a joke? I thought he was just referring to getting 2nd amendment people to vote? Or that it merely was him saying what could hapoen, rather than what should happen?
No, he was referring to what 2nd Amendment advocates should do after Hillary gets elected and after her judges are appointed. There's no way to weasel in the idea of voting against Hillary because in his hypothetical situation, she had already become president. It was clear as day that it was about assassination (what gun owners can do after she becomes president); clear to the Republicans, clear to the Democrats, and clear to the Secret Service.
Well, I guess he can grab up the Alex Jones followers, NWO conspiracy theorists, and Obama is the Anti-Christ crowd with that sort of rhetoric... although given the fact that Trump is part of the moneyed elite, I'm not sure why Trump isn't considered part of the NWO. Maybe not enough Jewish connections.
Obama and Hillary Clinton are the founders of ISIS? I guess that justifies Trump's earlier remark about shooting Hillary...
It was an inappropriate joke
Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
Understatement of the century contender.
Its a joke that disqualifies him from holding any office.
talking about clintons appointed judges, second amendment people "learn to hear" theyre rapists! no that is not the full quote. you ppl are the ones who cry wolf
On August 11 2016 13:50 On_Slaught wrote: Wait it was a joke? I thought he was just referring to getting 2nd amendment people to vote? Or that it merely was him saying what could hapoen, rather than what should happen?
He was very clearly not referring to this because the entire context of his statement was that 2nd amendment people can do something *after Clinton wins*.
I don't think he was really being serious, but *what* he was saying was pretty damn clear.
On August 11 2016 13:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Any attempt to argue "Trump is calling for his supporters to assassinate Clinton" is just incompetent
I think it's ridiculous to say that he's intentionally calling for violence. But I also think it's extremely irresponsible for him to say something like that because he of all people should know that his base includes people that are stupid and angry enough to take him seriously.
This is generalizable to many other Trumpisms. In and of itself, a lot of the things he says aren't as dangerous as they're made out to be, because we obviously can't take him seriously. The problem is that when he's intentionally courting people who ARE stupid enough to take him seriously as part of his base, saying these things *becomes* dangerous. Intelligent voters know that a Trumpism like "the Democrats are going to try to rig the election" is patently ridiculous, but it only takes a small number of people who are dumb enough to believe him for bad things to happen when he loses.
Generally people who are in a position of influence, such as the nominee of a major party, should be careful about what they say because their words will have a strong influence on other people.
I guess being the head of a multi-billion dollar company didn't teach Trump that lesson. That or he doesn't care.
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