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Shingi11
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Poland9331 Posts
My point is that populists had a bad time in the last 15-25 years because establishment politicians "stole" and upgraded their methods. Now things are going back to normal where radical voters support real radicals instead of the mainstream left or right. | ||
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farvacola
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46386 Posts
On August 10 2016 21:18 Shingi11 wrote: So trump is only up by 5 points in kansas, god let that sink in. Clinton could turn turn red as red can be kansas into a battleground lol. Is there going to be any safe red states in nov after trump get done with them. As interesting as that would be, I have a feeling that pretty much all of the red states will go back to being truly red if the Republicans have a real (traditional) Republican presidential nominee in four years. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I'll give you an exemple ; in France the bourgeoisie is proud to respond that mostly uneducated people vote FN - as in people with no degree. This is / was true when the FN was at 10 %, and it is still somewhat true now that the FN is at 30 %, but in this huge increase a lot of well educated people also changed their vote. This change cannot be explained by simply presenting the opposing party as a bunch of idiots and bigots, like the hillary crowd do with both Trump, Sanders, and everybody else. On August 10 2016 21:27 farvacola wrote: There is literally nothing to support the notion that Obama supporters are fueling the rise of Trump...the minority voter differential between the two alone calls that line of reasoning into question. If anything, Obama, with his management of the crisis, is responsible for the fact that populism in the US is still a minority. People want change for obvious reasons, they're not ready to tear down everything appart. The only thing he was unable to do, it seems, is lower racial tension and gun violence. | ||
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farvacola
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On August 07 2016 11:33 Nevuk wrote: Were you originally going to vote for Trump? If so, what was the breaking point to decide to vote for a different candidate? Yeah I was for trump. I liked his stance on trade and the economy. Somewhat on immigration and I liked how he was willing to call out Islam. However, I consider myself socially liberal and convinced myself that trump was a moderate in disguise and would take a more moderate stance as the election progressed. With the selection of Mike Pence as VP, I cannot in good conscience vote for trump. Whether the selection was his choice or not. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 10 2016 22:49 farvacola wrote: Your desire to draw comparisons is not particularly availing here; not only does the US political dynamic hinge on a significantly more dramatic inter-differentiation in geo-political landscape, it is uncontested that Trump's largest voting bloc is white, uneducated males. This is not to say that calling them idiots is helpful, rather that comparisons with France in the interest of glossing over prominent characteristics of voting demographics is not altogether very useful. Maybe, but there are a lot of similarities between a Trump and a Le Pen ; critic of the free market, gross desire for sovereignty that, sometime, flirt with nationalism, tendancy to describe every possible problem as a problem that come from outside, etc. Same with Ukip, same with AfD. It's true that the racial question is very specific to the US. | ||
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farvacola
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
And, in all its flaws, the US' political system has always made it possible for charismatic and rather intelligent leaders to appear. People seems to believe Hillary is, somehow, a weak choice, but she has a lot more qualities than most politician in France. It's not Hollande. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
There was a report on NPR some years back about Demark and their views on taxes in the abstract. That the people in Demark had a generally positive view of taxes because they received direct benefits from those taxes. And because the citizens had to interact with the government often, the views of the government and its workers were generally more positive than the US. Of course this is a generalization and was around 5-10 years ago, but it raised the question of how our parties “sell” government to voters. The vast majority of Americans have supported immigration and campaign finance reform for the almost 20 years I have been able to vote. Those issues have only gotten worse. And even if Clinton is elected, I doubt the we have political will to address those problems with the way the parties are functioning. | ||
KwarK
United States44283 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 10 2016 23:45 KwarK wrote: The only possible explanation for this whole "what recovery?" mentality when the market tripled under Obama is people who somehow don't have a cut of the action. It's been a great 8 years. The ones who pulled their money out at the bottom in 2008...because that's smart and all. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24335 Posts
Of course the people who go too far will be lumped with those who don't, both will continue to get told how they need to act better if they want it to stop, it will be by racists/faux constitutionalists/"reasonable people" who think protesters not protesting right is the big problem slowing progress. Not the systemic and consistent racism, and contempt for constitutional rights from police departments (and other institutions) across the country. Seriously, stop complaining about the protests and complain about the police, politicians, and people who just still don't get how stupid and f'd up they're being | ||
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LegalLord
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 10 2016 23:45 KwarK wrote: The only possible explanation for this whole "what recovery?" mentality when the market tripled under Obama is people who somehow don't have a cut of the action. It's been a great 8 years. On one side, you have the middle class shrinking - though apparently 2/3 of that is due to people moving upwards due to getting part of that growth. But on the other hand, you have a pretty big working class which didn't reap the benefits b/c they don't really participate in the market or had to pull out their LT investments because they got laid off and needed money immediately. Social mobility is good for the middle class, but not for working class/ poor. | ||
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Velr
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