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TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

August 02 2016 15:51 GMT

#92381

I'm going to do a no-no and post the 538 now-cast to illustrate just how bad the trajectory of the last week (polls published in the last 3 days) has been for Trump. The percentage numbers are pretty meaningless as they admit, but just watch the rise.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

That's why looking at the polls directly before the Democratic convention as an indicator of Clinton's chances was less than wise.

Also, Pennsyvlania is not looking nearly as great for Trump as it once was.

farvacola

United States18869 Posts

August 02 2016 16:02 GMT

#92382

Just don't call it a bump

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

August 02 2016 16:07 GMT

#92383

On August 03 2016 01:02 farvacola wrote:
Just don't call it a bump

This 538 article is a pretty decent overview of that actually. Seems that Clinton's rise in polls plus is due to her getting a bigger than expected bounce/whatever.

Better markets have budged a couple pts in Clinton's favor as well. They barely dipped the last couple of weeks too.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

August 02 2016 16:48 GMT

#92384

Is it weird that I want Trump over Clinton, but if I had to choose between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, I would take Jill Stein?

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

August 02 2016 16:59 GMT

#92385

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

August 02 2016 16:59 GMT

#92386

It is weird that as a thinking person, you would contemplate Donald Trump for US President.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

August 02 2016 17:00 GMT

#92387

Keep shitposting doodsmack you're doing great

Thaniri

1264 Posts

August 02 2016 17:04 GMT

#92388

On August 03 2016 00:24 MCWhiteHaze wrote:
You know what the biggest lie people fall into is? This statement right:

"I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils"

What? No you don't... No one holds a gun to your head and says you must vote for Hillary or Donald. That doesn't happen. You can vote for whoever you want, or not vote at all. I personally don't vote because I don't believe in how politics works and/or voting for anyone to me is a waste of time. I believe reform needs to happen on a personal social level before it will happen at the top.

Just my beliefs and I catch a lot of flack for them, oh well.

I get so sick of the presidential season...Family members arguing and getting mad at each other for the most ridiculous of reasons especially when we get such a jaded view and report. We end up arguing about things that aren't even true lol. Stupid.

God help us all. Amen.

As an outsider this is what I think the problem with American politics is. You don't get to complain about a system if you didn't vote.

There are many third party candidates to go around, find one you like and vote for them, and tell everyone you know about this candidates policies. Then for the next election 10 more people will know that they can vote third party. Then if they each tell 10 friends...

In the Canadian parliamentary system there are 5 parties that regularly win seats each election. That doesn't happen if people only think about tory and liberal perspectives.

I've seen the game theory post on why it is rational to vote for the lesser evil in an election, but one election alone probably won't fix the system. What was that quote about old men planting trees they will never enjoy the shade under? Do that.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

August 02 2016 17:05 GMT

#92389

Haha

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

August 02 2016 17:06 GMT

#92390

On August 03 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Keep shitposting doodsmack you're doing great

You like to use that word don't you. Just keep hoping Trump doesn't mean what he says and other people will guide him.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

August 02 2016 17:07 GMT

#92391

Okay how is anyone going to defend this, holy fuck:

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

August 02 2016 17:08 GMT

#92392

On August 03 2016 02:06 Doodsmack wrote:

Show nested quote +

You like to use that word don't you. Just keep hoping Trump doesn't mean what he says and other people will guide him.

I don't.

I'm pretty sure if I shitposted about Clinton/anyone voting for her like you do with Trump/anyone voting for him, I'd have been banned from the thread like Testie

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

August 02 2016 17:10 GMT

#92393

Yes because it's all liberal trickery and you and Donald "Mexico is gonna pay for a wall and we're gonna ban a religion" Trump are just victims under siege.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

August 02 2016 17:15 GMT

#92394

On August 03 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Yes because it's all liberal trickery and you and Donald "Mexico is gonna pay for a wall and we're gonna ban a religion" Trump are just victims under siege.

This is called 'lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you'

You're becoming that which you hate most about Trump

Hexe

United States332 Posts

August 02 2016 17:17 GMT

#92395

Trump earned that medal more than Obama earned the nobel peace prize

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

August 02 2016 17:19 GMT

#92396

On August 03 2016 02:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:

Show nested quote +

This is called 'lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you'

You're becoming that which you hate most about Trump

It's called addressing Trump supporters because of their dangerous views.

KwarK

United States44355 Posts

August 02 2016 17:19 GMT

#92397

On August 02 2016 23:34 ticklishmusic wrote:

Show nested quote +

On August 02 2016 23:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

On August 02 2016 23:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:

On August 02 2016 17:31 KwarK wrote:

On August 02 2016 17:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:

On August 02 2016 17:22 KwarK wrote:

On August 02 2016 11:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
Free college is the worse idea ever. For starters there is no free anything, someone else is paying for it.
Secondly, it's just another step in the way to socialism.

All it does is create even more useless degrees and keep raising the prices of education because of the endless demand created by the state.

Surely the solution then will become that the mighty state will have to regulate courses available/and or prices. Later, this will not seem enough, and the government will acquire the universities all together.

Edit: This is how they are ruining my country atm, btw.

You didn't make an argument here.
Firstly, nobody thinks that free means literally provided by God free of charge, they mean free at the point of delivery. Obviously it'd be paid for by taxes, people who want free college know that what they want is higher taxes to fund government provided college. Surely you're not stupid enough to think everyone believes that government services and government taxes have no relationship and that you're blowing our minds by pointing out that taxes pay for services.

Secondly, we like socialism, that's not a bad thing, socialism has been working pretty fucking well for us so far. You can't just say "but socialism!" and end the argument there when the majority of the richest and most successful countries in the world, including the United States, have large parts of their economy within the public sector.

Roads are currently underfunded, infrastructure is currently underfunded, we can barely get enough taxes to keep our cities from falling into despair--and somehow an expensive and optional service will be affordable... just because?

No matter what you say actual taxes is, you need to be collecting the taxes for it to matter.

You're assuming for some reason that the publicly funded education won't eat into the money currently being thrown at the private system. It's a bad assumption. Take the British NHS for example. It costs about $2,400 per person in the UK. If you were to propose an increase of taxes of $2,400 per person in the US for government healthcare it'd probably get rejected. And yet the US already spends $10,000 per person on healthcare. What you'd actually be offering would be a $7,600 reduction in expenditure and while taxes may go up there would be an increase in paychecks as private insurance benefits were phased out for their cash equivalents, more than offsetting the taxes. The gross inefficiency of the private system means that the replacement, even if funded through taxes, actually makes people richer.

Also "but my roads" is not a viable counterargument unless you're actually suggesting we do something about the roads. And we should. But there is money for both. The United States is not a poor country. If you're really upset about those roads there are cuts elsewhere that can be made.

Roads are not the only thing underfunded in this country. There's a lot of shit that are currently underfunded. They are underfunded because people actively and successfully fight back against expenditures all the time. The stuff we do spend a lot on (military for example) are things that can be career ending for politicians to suggest we cut. Wherein lies the problem in the US--we do not even pay for the things we have right now, let alone the things people keep asking for to be free.

Roads was just one example--most of america's infrastructure has the same issues. The Flint crisis did not happen in a vacuum. The levees issue during Katrina did not happen in a vacuum, underfunded public schools did not happen in a vacuum, the US has a lot of programs that needs a tonne more money and the more you strain the system with massive free programs the more likely you are to break the rest of the country.

Is it doable? Sure, but sacrifices will have to be made.

So take a couple hundred billion from the Military, tax wall st trades and legalize marijuana allowing the states to collect tax on sales and so forth. The poorest in the country such as Mississippi would find an extra hundred million or so to fix their shit systems perhaps.

Please don't tax stock trades. It's a really bad idea.

The UK has it and London is still a financial capital. It doesn't really impact buy and hold investors.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

August 02 2016 17:22 GMT

#92398

On August 03 2016 02:19 Doodsmack wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's called addressing Trump supporters because of their dangerous views.

What dangerous views of mine are you addressing?

Building a wall is not dangerous
And no one is banning a religion

Not to mention trying to use that logic used to justify shitposting is just straight dumb

KwarK

United States44355 Posts

August 02 2016 17:25 GMT

#92399

On August 03 2016 02:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Okay how is anyone going to defend this, holy fuck:

https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/760515770686275585

Life Pro Tip

If someone tries to give you a medal that they earned and you didn't you turn it down. If you cannot turn it down respectfully then you have it framed and tastefully displayed somewhere next to a photo of the guy who gave it to you, ideally in uniform.

KwarK

United States44355 Posts

August 02 2016 17:29 GMT

#92400

On August 03 2016 02:17 Hexe wrote:
Trump earned that medal more than Obama earned the nobel peace prize

But Trump wasn't the intended recipient of it. Obama was the intended recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize from the Nobel Prize committee. You can argue that Obama did not really deserve the Nobel Peace Prize (although you'd be disagreeing with the committee whose job is literally to decide who deserves one and then give them one) but the DoD didn't give one to Trump because they knew he didn't deserve one.

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