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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
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oBlade
United States5531 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Okay how is anyone going to defend this, holy fuck: It looks like a moving act to me. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
That's interesting, why don't you think your candidate means what he says? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Trump could save a kid from being run over by a bus, and people would still say something bad about it. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:34 xDaunt wrote: Trump could save a kid from being run over by a bus, and people would still say something bad about it. He saved baby Hitler. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:17 Hexe wrote: Trump earned that medal more than Obama earned the nobel peace prize Here is an interesting idea. Maybe they both don't deserve it. There were plenty of negative reactions when Obama got the Nobel prize, including from those who supported him. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:34 xDaunt wrote: Trump could save a kid from being run over by a bus, and people would still say something bad about it. And Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue for the lulz and be defended for it (as he himself as said). | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:19 KwarK wrote: The UK has it and London is still a financial capital. It doesn't really impact buy and hold investors. UK co's only + a lot of exemptions. If you tax all trades would be a problem. | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
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RoomOfMush
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On August 03 2016 02:17 Hexe wrote: Trump earned that medal more than Obama earned the nobel peace prize I dont know if he earned it "more" but I agree that Obama sure didnt earn a peace prize. | ||
KwarK
United States42552 Posts
I feel like any kind of medal, decoration or award can very rarely be displayed by anyone other than the recipient without a whiff of borrowed glory which inevitably diminishes the achievements of the recipient. If you didn't earn it then by taking a share of the meaning associated with it, while not having done the achievements that meaning is built on, the meaning is diminished. I don't believe any disrespect was intended, I believe that Trump genuinely thinks that he's so awesome that the purple heart is honoured by him holding it, and not the other way around. But I think anyone even slightly self aware would try to politely decline because the meaning of the award is inseparable from the deeds of the recipient and attempts at transferring that will inevitably be viewed as disrespectful. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:33 Doodsmack wrote: That's interesting, why don't you think your candidate means what he says? He's never said he wanted to ban a religion And he's not 'my candidate' | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:36 KwarK wrote: I feel like any kind of medal, decoration or award can very rarely be displayed by anyone other than the recipient without a whiff of borrowed glory which inevitably diminishes the achievements of the recipient. If you didn't earn it then by taking a share of the meaning associated with it, while not having done the achievements that meaning is built on, the meaning is diminished. I don't believe any disrespect was intended, I believe that Trump genuinely thinks that he's so awesome that the purple heart is honoured by him holding it, and not the other way around. But I think anyone even slightly self aware would try to politely decline because the meaning of the award is inseparable from the deeds of the recipient and attempts at transferring that will inevitably be viewed as disrespectful. I have several medals from WW2 that my grandfather and great uncle earned. I don’t wear them or even claim they are mine. I’m simply their care taker and I have no claim to them beyond that. I can understand someone not knowing that part of military culture. But it is not acceptable if they expect to be the head of the armed forces. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:34 xDaunt wrote: Trump could save a kid from being run over by a bus, and people would still say something bad about it. I take issue with the "I always wanted a Purple Heart (despite being a draft dodger) and this is much easier". If he was a better speaker he might have been able to properly use the moment and make something good out of it. Instead he comes off disrespectful. | ||
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KwarK
United States42552 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote: He's never said he wanted to ban a religion Out of curiousity, what to you is the meaningful distinction between banning a religion in the United States and banning all the adherents to a religion from being in the United States? I know that Trump only said that no Muslims would be allowed to enter the US and not that he would ban Islam but for many people there is a big overlap between the two. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote: He's never said he wanted to ban a religion I realize it's temporary, but you really can't be that far removed from reality. EDIT: and yes I know it's only a ban on immigration/travel. No less dangerous an idea, point still stands. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote: He's never said he wanted to ban a religion And he's not 'my candidate' http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/trump-close-mosques-216008 He just wanted to close down places of worship. "Nobody wants to say this and nobody wants to shut down religious institutions or anything, but you know, you understand it. A lot of people understand it. We’re going to have no choice," the Republican presidential said in an interview from Trump Tower on Fox News' "Hannity" on Tuesday night. "We can't take a chance. You know, if you take thousands of people, and again I hear it's going to be many more than what you're talking about right now. But if you take thousands of people, Sean, all you need is a couple. You know, you don't need 25, you don't need 100," he said. "Look at the damage done in Paris with just a few people." Just vaguely suggesting they would have no choice but to close down an unknown number of mosques due to some unknown threat. And this is one of many comments he has made saying they would need to do things like this, but not providing a specific reasons why it would be necessary. So we are only left to wonder when he would feel it was necessary. | ||
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KwarK
United States42552 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:39 Plansix wrote: I have several medals from WW2 that my grandfather and great uncle earned. I don’t wear them or even claim they are mine. I’m simply their care taker and I have no claim to them beyond that. I can understand someone not knowing that part of military culture. But it is not acceptable if they expect to be the head of the armed forces. Dead relatives is the obvious situation in which a person might have medals but it's easy enough to solve respectfully. Either don't display them or display them next to a photo of the relative, ideally in uniform, ideally wearing the medals. Wearing the medals yourself would obviously be a big no. But it's not even about military culture, it's about self awareness. I'm not military but I know better than to brag about someone else's medals. Trump surely can't be unaware of the taboo associated with his action, to me the only explanation is that he cannot conceive of the idea that anything could be dishonoured by him taking ownership of it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2016 02:45 KwarK wrote: Dead relatives is the obvious situation in which a person might have medals but it's easy enough to solve respectfully. Either don't display them or display them next to a photo of the relative, ideally in uniform, ideally wearing the medals. Wearing the medals yourself would obviously be a big no. But it's not even about military culture, it's about self awareness. I'm not military but I know better than to brag about someone else's medals. Trump surely can't be unaware of the taboo associated with his action, to me the only explanation is that he cannot conceive of the idea that anything could be dishonoured by him taking ownership of it. And then there is the whole stolen glory movement that confronts soldiers displaying medals and commendations that they did not earn. Which has its own pitfalls, since they often do it publicly and are sometimes very wrong. Of course, Trump is likely not aware of any of this, since he barely seems aware of even basic concepts about world politics and events. | ||
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